Someone asked for my opinion on a scientific subject outside of the field of physics and in an unrelated thread... therefore, Science Thread!
(MOD edit):
I also linked to this thread from the prior thread mentioned "Confessions"
Please adhere to the Thread and remain on topic, as I am sure that it will be an interesting read, as there are various theories regarding this..
Respects and thank you for your time...
Should there be any rules like no derailing attempts & please keep commentary on topic?
I'd like to talk more regarding math.
So... who wants to start?
Now I'm tempted to take pictures of my Algebra take home finals
Did not enjoy spending 20+ hours on each of them
Continuing from page 65 of the Confessions thread.
Unless I have a scientific basis to structure scientific opinions, I fail to form an opinion.
I can say that there are chemicals that are believed (within the scientific community) to de-masculinate male children during development, and that these chemicals are in wide use today. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, we use these chemicals because they are extremely convenient: plastics. This leads me to believe that we may actually see a future similar to the one I brought up in the Confessions thread, in which the male gender is essentially eliminated. I do not feel that this would necessarily be a bad thing: testosterone can impair rational decision making, male specific organs are susceptible to disease (the last part, of course, is also true of female specific organs, but handling only one version of a disease is easier than producing a cure for two).
Would a male-less society have any problems that a male/female society does not? Impossible to tell, as I'm unaware of any male-less societies to form a comparison with. I'm aware that females enter feuds over males, which in my opinion, is the result of poor decision making... but both males and females also enter feuds over many other petty thing, such as "that bitch cut in front of be in the grocery store," etc. I do know that the removal of a variable tends to make calculations a good bit easier.
Shall I go on?
Misaka Mikoto said:
I'd like to talk more regarding math.
Science may be a subset of math, but math is not a subset of science. I'm sure I'm not the only weirdo here who likes it, though.
odysseus said:
Shall I go on?
Yes please, I remember my teacher had a discussion that sounds alike.
:3
“I think we can put our differences behind us. For science.. You monster.”
odysseus said:
Science may be a subset of math, but math is not a subset of science.
I would disagree with that and say math is a tool or language used to explain the functions of science.
odysseus said:
Science may be a subset of math, but math is not a subset of science. I'm sure I'm not the only weirdo here who likes it, though.
Indeed, I was just stating my preference.
By the way, you're not the only weirdo who likes what?
odysseus said:
Continuing from page 65 of the Confessions thread.Unless I have a scientific basis to structure scientific opinions, I fail to form an opinion.
I can say that there are chemicals that are believed (within the scientific community) to de-masculinate male children during development, and that these chemicals are in wide use today. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, we use these chemicals because they are extremely convenient: plastics. This leads me to believe that we may actually see a future similar to the one I brought up in the Confessions thread, in which the male gender is essentially eliminated. I do not feel that this would necessarily be a bad thing: testosterone can impair rational decision making, male specific organs are susceptible to disease (the last part, of course, is also true of female specific organs, but handling only one version of a disease is easier than producing a cure for two).
Would a male-less society have any problems that a male/female society does not? Impossible to tell, as I'm unaware of any male-less societies to form a comparison with. I'm aware that females enter feuds over males, which in my opinion, is the result of poor decision making... but both males and females also enter feuds over many other petty thing, such as "that bitch cut in front of be in the grocery store," etc. I do know that the removal of a variable tends to make calculations a good bit easier.
Shall I go on?
dont bother asking, just continue as if there's no tml.
also, what about a female-less societies w/ artificial external wombs?
cheese_cake said:
also, what about a female-less societies w/ artificial external wombs?
Yaoi? ( ﾟヮﾟ)
/jk
After reading a Franken Fran chapter about "external wombs" I'd say the results would be disastrous... Then again, you said "female-less societies" so... Cloning?
How many sexual characteristics are actually necessary or useful in a modern society in which sex is no longer a means of procreation?
Very few, in my opinion.
I know that sex has purposes beyond reproduction... or, more (likely) more accurately sex has results that will increase the likelihood of 1) having sex again 2) production of a child.
The part that I am most familiar with as being useful outside of reproduction is "post-coital bliss," where hormones are released that makes one feel happy/content and de-stressed.
Therefore, should post-reproduction era humans retain some sort of facsimile to sex? Yes.
But does that mean that all of the associated organs are still needed? No. Breasts, although very pleasant, already have seen much of their function eliminated in modern society.
More children are bottle fed than breast-fed (or breast-fed and bottle fed), which means that the female breast has become largely an object for sexual attraction.
Why do I like breasts? Is it because they are useful for me, or are they useful for feeding babies?
Moving on, if our new society had a replacement for the uterus, an artificial uterus, uterine cancer can effectively be eliminated. If ovum can be artificially duplicated ovaries can be eliminated, etc, until one is left with whatever it is that defines a human being.
How many (sexual characteristics) are actually detrimental (are susceptible to disease, distract from rational decision making)? What's the easiest way to deal with detrimental sexual characteristics?
I'm afraid I don't have an answer from this outside of what I've already posted
And, does elimination of any these harm a society?
I think not, as a society may be considered to be equivalent to an ecology, which can generally survive or thrive with the elimination of certain species. Do our modern ecologies rely on the mammoth, dinosaurs, etc? Obviously not.
Therefore, I feel that the male sex is an unnecessary part of the future. I am aware that two females are currently capable of reproducing, although I'm not certain if a sperm surrogate for one of the pair's members is necessary for carrying the genes of that member with current technology. Also, children born from a two-female union are always female, thanks to the way male-female chromosomes pair.
I'd like to think that the resultant society would be closer to some sort of utopia, with greater equality etc. etc. but I don't trust human nature any further than I can throw it.
odysseus said:
testosterone can impair rational decision making.
That doesn't stop males from achieving great things however. Also, what is that BS I just read?
Misaka Mikoto said:
Indeed, I was just stating my preference.
By the way, you're not the only weirdo who likes what?
Math
cheese_cake said:also, what about a female-less societies w/ artificial external wombs?
Although certainly possible, my aims in creating a one-sex society is the elimination of hormones associated with one or the other sex. Testosterone produces worse results in human behaviour than estrogen, in my opinion.
monsoon said:
That doesn't stop males from achieving great things however.
I think that males have a sufficient history of holding females back from achieving great things to preclude this argument. Removing adrogens from males would, effectively, result in a neuter sex... I wonder what kind of impact that would have on development.
Greetings ~
I am seeing severe instance of *offsetting*
I will [CLOSE] this thread on a Temporary basis, until a resolution is found.
Please bear with this closure for a bit.
Oh how nice, it's normal again... Thanks.
odysseus said:
Oh how nice, it's normal again... Thanks.
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Your welcome...
I was trying to figure out the problem, so a suggestion was presented, I tried something as well, and so its now normal.
Thank YOU for being patient while it was in process..
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