Neko_musume said:
None whatsoever. lol, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and say 0.1%
Slim chances thar.
Neko_musume said:
None whatsoever. lol, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and say 0.1%
Slim chances thar.
MasterInfamous said:
I believe in basic individual freedoms and human rights including press freedom, freedom of information expression, and speech.
I think freedom of expression is a nice idea, but in practice humans can't handle it.
I think the American approach to freedom of expression has been hijacked by moneyed interests, and that it no longer serves to empower Americans.
I think a "government of laws, not men" is also a nice idea, and while the Americans had the right idea for a while, the USA has been a government of men, not laws, since 1913.
Neko_musume said:
None whatsoever. lol, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and say 0.1%
Mexico accounts for 30-40% of Marijuana imported
(link is outdated: http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-8796.html)
and that's about 15 to 25% of the US total supply.
yourfriend said:
I think freedom of expression is a nice idea, but in practice humans can't handle it.
I think the American approach to freedom of expression has been hijacked by moneyed interests, and that it no longer serves to empower Americans.
I think a "government of laws, not men" is also a nice idea, and while the Americans had the right idea for a while, the USA has been a government of men, not laws, since 1913.
Neat I learned something valuable today.
and way I see it founding fathers be rolling in their graves at the site of this.
yourfriend said:
I think freedom of expression is a nice idea, but in practice humans can't handle it.
I think the American approach to freedom of expression has been hijacked by moneyed interests, and that it no longer serves to empower Americans.
I think a "government of laws, not men" is also a nice idea, and while the Americans had the right idea for a while, the USA has been a government of men, not laws, since 1913.
Freedom of expression/Freedom of speech and politics are like water and oil they don't mix together.
Most politicians follow the ones who scream and cry the loudest,
Interest groups will always have the upper hand against the defender because they grease the hands of the politicians, that can get things done.
Corruption always existed in politics, the Pro-right groups use this to their advantage, expect that as long as they exist a art that can be insulting or disgusting to another, they will exist someone who is always trying to get rid of it, people own opinion matter to them more then others and no matter how much reasoning one gives they will always shun the person as a abnormal, it is sad to say but this always existed and sadder than the same freedom of expression may land you in a cell but until the flames of the old and political correct are extinguished, this issue well forever remain.
WiseRooster said:
Neat I learned something valuable today.
and way I see it founding fathers be rolling in their graves at the site of this.
I trust everyone knows what happened in 1913 that made it a particularly un-Constitutional year for the USA?
One of the files didn't upload : it's just a quote from TJ saying:
On this view of the import of the term republic, instead of saying, as has been said, "that it may mean anything or nothing," we may say with truth and meaning, that governments are more or less republican as they have more or less of the element of popular election and control in their composition; and believing, as I do, that the mass of the citizens is the safest depository of their own rights, and especially, that the evils flowing from the duperies of the people, are less injurious than those from the egoism of their agents, I am a friend to that composition of government which has in it the most of this ingredient. And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.
nothing a duel with pistols didn't solve,
for a period of time anyways.
yourfriend said:
I trust everyone knows what happened in 1913 that made it a particularly un-Constitutional year for the USA?
I know my history very well but for the life of me didn't know how the federal reserve act flew by me o_o
triumf said:
Mexico accounts for 30-40% of Marijuana imported
(link is outdated: http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-8796.html)
and that's about 15 to 25% of the US total supply.
That's why I believe we must legalize it as it will make the Mexican drug lords go bankrupt which would solve a crisis at our boarder.
They simply would not be able to compete with mass produced cannabis.
WiseRooster said:
I know my history very well but for the life of me didn't know how the federal reserve act flew by me o_o
If you have been educated within the current USA, you have been subjected to subtle misinformation, misdirection, distraction, and other under-handed means of manipulation.
Currently Americans are mostly enslaved because they are constantly taught that they are the freest people on Earth.
yourfriend said:
If you have been educated within the current USA, you have been subjected to subtle misinformation, misdirection, distraction, and other under-handed means of manipulation.
Currently Americans are mostly enslaved because they are constantly taught that they are the freest people on Earth.
Free? Country be damned far from free, but suppose some misinformation is in there.
Most of what I learned were from my parents and well watching the History Channel.
(Lived through a lot of stuff)
WiseRooster said:
Free? Country be damned far from free, but suppose some misinformation is in there.
Most of what I learned were from my parents and well watching the History Channel.
(Lived through a lot of stuff)
Like you'd think that the airports are secure with their alleged security when in fact its far from secure.
If you look around your airports, you notice glaring infractions in the security they have for the facilities. Where the persistent and prepared could easily get access. Compared to trying to force access to a military installation
UncommonOtaku said:
Like you'd think that the airports are secure with their alleged security when in fact its far from secure.
If you look around your airports, you notice glaring infractions in the security they have for the facilities. Where the persistent and prepared could easily get access. Compared to trying to force access to a military installation
Learning all over the place today haha.
yourfriend said:
Currently Americans are mostly enslaved because they are constantly taught that they are the [b]freest people on Earth.
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If you really want a country with freedom you may never really find it in this world or life.
In order for a country to truly be free, it must not be motivated by personal opinion, religion or bias however this is the hardest trial in politics for anyone or thing to get though its like walking a mile barefoot on hot coal, sooner or later one of any of these facts come into play.
I used to be a socialist/communist, and believed that the best form of government is benevolent dictatorship, but... I've taken a more serious look at how humans operate in societies and have decided that these forms of government/economics always fail when actual people become involved.
Since then I've taken up a stance that the only actions that should be illegal are those that directly harm another. I've also taken a rather extreme pro-weapon attitude, since I feel it is every citizen's responsibility to protect themselves, their loved ones, and their society. I want to see weapons training integrated into the education system. Also, to become a citizen one should be required to perform some sort of service for society, be it a 2-4 year military stint, building shelters for the homeless, whatever. Citizens receive various advantages, ranging from free emergency response (covered by taxes, naturally) to subsidized further education. Anyone, at any point in their adult life may choose to become a citizen. Citizenship is a lifelong responsibility.
I also believe in small government required to follow the spirit of that government's constitution, as dictated by 1) what is explicitly stated in the constitution 2) the beliefs and ideals found in media produced by the authors of that constitution. Should the constitution or government fail to represent the will of the people of a nation, it is the DUTY of the citizens and right of the people to revolt, peacefully if at all possible, and replace the constitution or government. I feel that this is where the US of A has failed. Of course, I'm an arm-chair politician and I've done about as much revolting as any (that is to say, next to none).
Now, why can a citizenry, which should be fully capable of accessing relevant information (internet) and with access to tools necessary to make its voice heard (internet, weaponry, voting) tolerate a government that has already fallen, or is in the process of falling into a corporate dictatorship? 1) Everyone has stuff, and has the power to buy more stuff 2) Alcohol 3) Handegg 4) Mass hysteria (if there were terrorists, they've already won, thanyouverymuch) which all lead to 5) apathy. Plenty of US citizens have already recognized the fact that their government is on the decline into a dictatorship, or already is a dictatorship but do absolutely nothing about it other than to post it to their blogs or various forums. I delude myself into believing that if one person, just one person put forth the call to fix or destroy the US government, that others would stand up and actually do something, but deep down I know that all that'd happen is... nothing. Maybe one guy gets locked up for life with hysteria charges (pedophile, terrorist, whatever), or disappears, or whatever.
The politicians aren't the ones crying. I am.
odysseus said:
I used to be a socialist/communist, and believed that the best form of government is benevolent dictatorship, but... I've taken a more serious look at how humans operate in societies and have decided that these forms of government/economics always fail when actual people become involved.Since then I've taken up a stance that the only actions that should be illegal are those that directly harm another. I've also taken a rather extreme pro-weapon attitude, since I feel it is every citizen's responsibility to protect themselves, their loved ones, and their society. I want to see weapons training integrated into the education system. Also, to become a citizen one should be required to perform some sort of service for society, be it a 2-4 year military stint, building shelters for the homeless, whatever. Citizens receive various advantages, ranging from free emergency response (covered by taxes, naturally) to subsidized further education. Anyone, at any point in their adult life may choose to become a citizen. Citizenship is a lifelong responsibility.
I also believe in small government required to follow the spirit of that government's constitution, as dictated by 1) what is explicitly stated in the constitution 2) the beliefs and ideals found in media produced by the authors of that constitution. Should the constitution or government fail to represent the will of the people of a nation, it is the DUTY of the citizens and right of the people to revolt, peacefully if at all possible, and replace the constitution or government. I feel that this is where the US of A has failed. Of course, I'm an arm-chair politician and I've done about as much revolting as any (that is to say, next to none).
Now, why can a citizenry, which should be fully capable of accessing relevant information (internet) and with access to tools necessary to make its voice heard (internet, weaponry, voting) tolerate a government that has already fallen, or is in the process of falling into a corporate dictatorship? 1) Everyone has stuff, and has the power to buy more stuff 2) Alcohol 3) Handegg 4) Mass hysteria (if there were terrorists, they've already won, thanyouverymuch) which all lead to 5) apathy. Plenty of US citizens have already recognized the fact that their government is on the decline into a dictatorship, or already is a dictatorship but do absolutely nothing about it other than to post it to their blogs or various forums. I delude myself into believing that if one person, just one person put forth the call to fix or destroy the US government, that others would stand up and actually do something, but deep down I know that all that'd happen is... nothing. Maybe one guy gets locked up for life with hysteria charges (pedophile, terrorist, whatever), or disappears, or whatever.
The politicians aren't the ones crying. I am.
Bravo My good man really Bravo!
think I couldn't even tell if I was reading but believe I got it.
though would like to say "inb4 tl;dr"
WiseRooster said:
Free? Country be damned far from free, but suppose some misinformation is in there.
Most of what I learned were from my parents and well watching the History Channel.
(Lived through a lot of stuff)
It's still more free then most countries.
I can still travel freely within the country at a whim and openly criticize the government and speak my mind with out being locked up.
But there has been assaults on our liberties by special interest groups and cowards.
Char said:
It's still more free then most countries.
I can still travel freely within the country at a whim and openly criticize the government and speak my mind with out being locked up.But there has been assaults on our liberties by special interest groups and cowards.
Guess I meant that without really being specific.
odysseus said:
I used to be a socialist/communist, and believed that the best form of government is benevolent dictatorship, but... I've taken a more serious look at how humans operate in societies and have decided that these forms of government/economics always fail when actual people become involved.Since then I've taken up a stance that the only actions that should be illegal are those that directly harm another. I've also taken a rather extreme pro-weapon attitude, since I feel it is every citizen's responsibility to protect themselves, their loved ones, and their society. I want to see weapons training integrated into the education system. Also, to become a citizen one should be required to perform some sort of service for society, be it a 2-4 year military stint, building shelters for the homeless, whatever. Citizens receive various advantages, ranging from free emergency response (covered by taxes, naturally) to subsidized further education. Anyone, at any point in their adult life may choose to become a citizen. Citizenship is a lifelong responsibility.
I also believe in small government required to follow the spirit of that government's constitution, as dictated by 1) what is explicitly stated in the constitution 2) the beliefs and ideals found in media produced by the authors of that constitution. Should the constitution or government fail to represent the will of the people of a nation, it is the DUTY of the citizens and right of the people to revolt, peacefully if at all possible, and replace the constitution or government. I feel that this is where the US of A has failed. Of course, I'm an arm-chair politician and I've done about as much revolting as any (that is to say, next to none).
Now, why can a citizenry, which should be fully capable of accessing relevant information (internet) and with access to tools necessary to make its voice heard (internet, weaponry, voting) tolerate a government that has already fallen, or is in the process of falling into a corporate dictatorship? 1) Everyone has stuff, and has the power to buy more stuff 2) Alcohol 3) Handegg 4) Mass hysteria (if there were terrorists, they've already won, thanyouverymuch) which all lead to 5) apathy. Plenty of US citizens have already recognized the fact that their government is on the decline into a dictatorship, or already is a dictatorship but do absolutely nothing about it other than to post it to their blogs or various forums. I delude myself into believing that if one person, just one person put forth the call to fix or destroy the US government, that others would stand up and actually do something, but deep down I know that all that'd happen is... nothing. Maybe one guy gets locked up for life with hysteria charges (pedophile, terrorist, whatever), or disappears, or whatever.
The politicians aren't the ones crying. I am.
Nice one Odysseus-san, truly it would be wonderful if the people voice there concern and distrust to the said government they put in power however its because the people get use to the way things are is why they don't do anything.
It is impossible for one man to change a nation, it takes the support, guidances and hand from those around him and others to move forward but
when those around him want to continue their peaceful lives the same way they always have and just complain without any action, all it is at the end of the day is hot air and when a new candidate rolls around and promises to fix and make a change it ends up in the same circle, unless the people themselves uprise and try to construct a new form of government or law the same issues and problems will continue to repeat no matter who is in office.
Will anyone in this thread ever change the world of politics? Nope.
/end thread.
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