bondtravolta said:
PC nonsense and apologetics
Wow, your English got worse and worse as that post went on. Were you crying or screaming at your monitor at the end? :D
Anyway, let's have a look at some of the outrageous things you've said just because you don't want to admit that a country that endorses stoning is barbaric:
bondtravolta said:
Just to note that these execution is only done to people who are forewarned of the consequences for doing stuffs, and only to those who pledged faith under said belief system. The law is so strict because it was invented to protect the good people from false reports meant to bring them harm. These people have been forewarned of the consequences of reporting rape without meeting the qualified criteria and yet they still do it. Sure, people are bound to twist the laws to their own benefit but that happens everywhere right? And no execution is justifiable so long the people judging it is wrong.
Did you hear that, guys? If you become dictator, you can execute people for whatever you want, so long as you tell people that they'll be executed! Wanna kill anyone who wear socks and sandals? It's OK! As long as they know they'll be killed for it, it's all good. Who cares about just laws?
And bond, do you realise you've just defended a legal system under which people are punished for reporting crimes and therefore have no legal recourse when something is done to them? A legal system where the victim is punished instead of the criminal? And that you're wrong about the law being there to prevent false accusations? Women are executed for being raped because the judges decide that anyone who gets raped must deserve it.
bondtravolta said:Also, know that these countries impose these kinds of public execution partly to strike fear into the public with the intention of warning them what would happen should they do the same. You can't go around saying your style of execution is more humane and just enough to teach the public not to commit the same mistake without going as far. You accuse me of equating something not equateable, but you're doing the same thing to the people in the countries you despise so much. For example, somewhere back people from outside says it's inhumane for Saddam Hussein to be cruel towards a certain group of people. This isn't in Islamic laws, and I don't agree with his methods but at least he is right about oppressing these people rather than letting them commit war against their own countrymen even though honestly he can do much better, probably. Now that Saddam Hussein is no more thanks to some gov making accusations towards Iraq that constantly shifts in subject until it eventually pointed to him, look what happened to the people. See, these people aren't your average neighborhood buddies, they'd wage war against other people just because they believe in the religion in a different way than the others. That's just saying one thing, but for sure their unruly bunch is beyond control and it had to take these execution & laws to make them quieter.
So, are you saying that people in the Middle-East are naturally more barbaric and need barbaric laws to keep them in check? Cool racism, bro. Did you ever stop to think that maybe the mediaeval belief system is the cause of all the violence over there rather than the thing holding it back?
And did you ever stop to think that maybe I don't endorse any capital punishment? Don't think that because I believe American methods aren't as bad that I must think they're justified. You might not see shades of grey, but some people do. I think American executions are bad. I think Middle-Eastern executions are bad. However, I think Middle-Easter methods are worse. You can't see this distinction because you think that there are no degrees of "badness" and that everything bad is equal. Do you think that eating babies is as bad as stealing $1? They're both bad, so by your logic there's no distinction.
bondtravolta said:And by the way, I'm not picking the electric chair without a reason. See, it was invented because certain people complained of how inhumane death sentence by hanging is, among other reasons. Thus it was invented. At the first use of it, the victim didn't die and cried in extreme pain. They panicked and raised the voltage and do a second run. Then said person died, but his eyes started to bleed out & his body is rock stiff. After then, they said these chairs are improvised. They no longer hurt, but did anyone knew for sure? Besides, I'm also picking it to compare it with stoning, which isn't in any way more humane than the execution brought to attention here.
Yes, the electric chair was used because people thought it would be more humane. It turned out that the death wasn't as painless as people thought, but the intention was to make things more humane. That mentality doesn't exist amongst people who use stoning.
BTW, the electric chair is no longer used in most US states and where it is used, it is up to the inmate to decide between it and lethal injection.
bondtravolta said:What I'm saying is, these are laws god imposed. You're only bound by it if you pledge faith under it. And when you do be prepared to face it should you do any wrong it forbids that requires execution. It made it for a reason, and humans aren't any more knowledgeable as to know what's right from wrong. Don't like it? Don't get involved in the belief system. Also, you're not from those parts, how would you know how unjustified it is? I'm not saying I agree with everything there either since things & beliefs aren't so pure anymore as with the divisions of sects and stuffs, but outsiders are in no place to poke one's nose in another's matters and claim they know better on what things should be done and what's not.
This may shock you, but most people don't get a choice about what religion they belong to. These people are declared Muslim at birth, and guess what happens if they decide they don't want to be Muslims any more?
It takes an incredible amount of intellectual dishonesty or downright ignorance to say that stoning is OK because these people pledge their faith to a religion. They don't have the choice to not pledge their faith.
bondtravolta said:Also, just because they're modern as is someplace else, doesn't mean they can't choose their own laws. You can't excuse the backwards people while you accuse these people. For all you know you've been brainwashed as well as to believe what's right in only your views.
This is just descended into whining.
Normally, I'd say that you were trolling. However, we're talking about religion here, and it's common for people to come out with profoundly retarded things in order to defend religion or religious practices.
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