master-evil said:
@Sorrior:- shouldn't you quoto this Antika did say it, "You say that media doesn't make the monsters, that they are already there. So why feed them? Why give make them bigger? If we can avoid that, then let's not give them any more encouragement."
I HAD quoted it it didn't go through. That or i screwed up clipping.
antika said:
//And I can prove that violent video games make people violent. 'Cuz my brother never ever raised his fist at me, after a year playing fucking CS and War Rock he actually dared to not only scream at me but he even tried to hit me. And do I blame the game? Damn yes I do.
Not because the content says he should shoot other people, but because he became so addicted to the games that he became violent to his surroundings. It does affect people but it all depends on the person of course.//
If you're trying to be serious about a topic, don't use anecdotal 'evidence'. Please.
A book about how to molest children is not going to magically turn anyone that reads it into a pedophile.
Personally, I see the logic behind the book as being the same kind of logic behind safe injection sites.
antika said:
But thanks to the law, we avoid a lot of stuff that people could decide to do because they're angry or sad or whatever. The rules may be not the best ones, but it helps to keep a society under control. We do not live in the stone age anymore. Rules are needed.
Actually this is wrong (come now antika), someone could kill someone in a fight while there angry and someone could kill there cheating spouse because of the sadness so no not everyone "follows" the rules, most of the "rules" are bat shit stupid and need to be re-thought, people follow the "rules" with there own judgement and thinking, if someone really wanted to do something laws won't hold them back.
And I am not being paranoid. If I was, I'd say "omg we should ban this book from all countries and send to jail everyone that dares to say that it's OK to think sexually about children". I think that I am very tolerant.
I'll give you that, the fact your not a over-reacting, anti-lolicon but I will call you paranoia over the fact you want to ban something because of the "what if" factor.
Actually, for all that, I blame religion. It's not my fault that humans are so damn mental fragile that they need something like an imaginary superman to make it through life.
Now now, you may not believe in a big man upstairs but I do so lets not get into the whole "religious" argument as well, and yes this is coming from someone who DOES NOT believe in religion.
antika said:
So we go back to the conversation we had minutes ago. It depends on the person. Meaning not everyone may give a negative reaction. Yet someone WILL, and I am very sure of that. Why risk it?
why have people suffer for the action of one idiot ?
master-evil said:
Now now, you may not believe in a big man upstairs but I do so lets not get into the whole "religious" argument as well, and yes this is coming from someone who DOES NOT believe in religion.
That was actually rude of me, I am sorry. I take back what I wrote. I hate religion, I do not hate the fact that people can have faith in something. They may believe in whatever they like, if that makes them happier. I just don't like churches or people taking advantage of others in the name of God.
A book about how to molest children is not going to magically turn anyone that reads it into a pedophile.
That was never my point. I simply said that it may seem encouraging to people who already think that way, which I don't find benefiting.
most of the "rules" are bat shit stupid and need to be we thought, people follow the "rules" with there own judgement and thinking, if someone really wanted to do something laws won't hold them back.
Yea but there's a slight possibility that the person reconsiders at the thought of spending 25 years in prison.
I'll give you, the fact your not a over-reacting, anti-lolicon but I will call you paranoia over the fact you want to ban something because of the "way if" factor.
I am a bit extreme when it's about pedophilia, I do recognize that.
why have people suffer for the action of one idiot ?
I don't see how people would suffer by not being able to read this book.
antika said:
But thanks to the law, we avoid a lot of stuff that people could decide to do because they're angry or sad or whatever. The rules may be not the best ones, but it helps to keep a society under control. We do not live in the stone age anymore. Rules are needed.I have found in my life that admitting the monsters are tere and inside us works better than denying them. Thus feeding them can be helpful but it also depends on the person.So we go back to the conversation we had minutes ago. It depends on the person. Meaning not everyone may give a negative reaction. Yet someone WILL, and I am very sure of that. Why risk it?
In regards to the first paragraph
Yet why limit freedom for all? I'm sorry but i'd ather live ina world of absolute chaos and freedom than a sterile and peaceful rulebound one. Why because it would be FUCKING BORING. I mean really imagine a world so structured so bound by rules that nothing fun or exciting ever happened. Besides the more rules there are the more stressful i find it. They always backfired with me anyways.
As for the second bit again why let the POTENTIAL results restrict it for everyone else. I'm sorry but to me freedom takes precedent over what may happen happen to someones psyche. Besides the more we avoid these things the worse it will be when someone is exposed to them people are too weak as it is both mentally and physcially.
antika said:
Yea but there's a slight possibility that the person reconsiders at the thought of spending 25 years in prison.
I don't see how people would suffer by not being able to read this book.
Maybe but if a guy was truly crazy enough to rape a saya little 2 year old to begin with then i don't think he really cares about prison sentences. Besides maybe he just really wants some bubba lovin.
Oh and some people who spend that long in prison repeat offend just to go back it becomes like a home to them.
Now about the suffering bit. They shouldn't but then again why is that a reason to ban it. Just because it's uncomfortable or might create a problem is no reason to ban something.
antika said:That was actually rude of me, I am sorry. I take back what I wrote. I hate religion, I do not hate the fact that people can have faith in something. They may believe in whatever they like, if that makes them happier. I just don't like churches or people taking advantage of others in the name of God.
Good you realize though, I do agree with the whole using the churches and gods name in there own selfish ways.
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That was never my point. I simply said that it may seem encouraging to people who already think that way, which I don't find benefiting.
Once more, monsters, are already living there, full-stop.
Yea but there's a slight possibility that the person reconsiders at the thought of spending 25 years in prison.
Yes, but it doesn't stop those who don't care and believe they can't be caught.
I am a bit extreme when it's about pedophilia, I do recognize that.
It is a touchy subject but I do have to say this:-"a pedophile and a child molester have two different meanings" One just has the desire the other acts on there feelings or just doesn't care.
I don't see how people would suffer by not being able to read this book.
Taking away the artist right to draw/write and the readers right to read are going against freedom of expression and speech, I call them "suffering" not physical or literal but in a sense and EVERYONE have there rights, banning something is TAKING AWAY that right.
Yet why limit freedom for all? I'm sorry but i'd ather live ina world of absolute chaos and freedom than a sterile and peaceful rulebound one. Why because it would be FUCKING BORING. I mean really imagine a world so structured so bound by rules that nothing fun or exciting ever happened. Besides the more rules there are the more stressful i find it. They always backfired with me anyways.
Yet I'd like to go on the street knowing it's safe for me, without fearing some psyko retard that will come to me and beat the shit out of me because "he feels like it" and because he thinks it's fun. And without the law, I couldn't even stand for myself. 'Cuz what can I do, if this retard is stronger than me? And if there's no law to help me?
We've built countries and government to give everyone rights. Everyone has the right to be born, everyone has the right to live. We still have big holes in that, of course. But we'll never reach the perfect society.
To think that a place without rules and without ethics would be "funnier" is naive. Think about all the negative consequences in that and you'll understand why.
And about the second part, I won't comment on that 'cuz I already explained what I think about it. My opinion won't ban this, so don't you worry you guys.
Taking away the artist right to draw/write and the readers right to read are going against freedom of expression and speech, I call them "suffering" not physical or literal but in a sense and EVERYONE have there rights, banning something is TAKING AWAY that right.
The law has it flaws (teehee), but no society can be perfect. I do not believe in utopia.
Also, I feel like we've been repeating ourselves again and again for a while now.
antika said:
Yet I'd like to go on the street knowing it's safe for me, without fearing some psyko retard that will come to me and beat the shit out of me because "he feels like it" and because he thinks it's fun. And without the law, I couldn't even stand for myself. 'Cuz what can I do, if this retard is stronger than me? And if there's no law to help me?To think that a place without rules and without ethics would be "funnier" is naive. Think about all the negative consequences in that and you'll understand why.
Well in regards to the first bit i've never understood that kind of thinking. I personally fear those in power more than a guy or hell even gorup of guys with weapons. Just in my nature to fight back and prefer it.
As for my being naieve au contraire. I am VERY well aware of what i was saying. A world without laws and rules would erupt in flames both figuratively and literally. Violence rape death hardship would all be rampant and only the strong and corrupt would rule.
Almost all chance for decency and honesty would be gone it would be worse than the fucking dark ages.
HOWEVER in some ways that's better than what we hjave now where the weak and eternally powerless survive and could quite possibly lead to the death of mankind.
In my mind it is the job of the strong to proytect the weak until they can help themselves HOWEVER if the can NEVER become strong then what use are they. Now i am talking bother mental and physical so to me only those who are pretty much guranteed death should not be allowed to live even the mentally retarded seem to be better at something than most.
But i believe i also said i would prefer a world out of those TWO. In all honesty i would prefer a world where the strong protect the weak where those who could never live do not and where humans actually evolve both physiclally and mentally instead of devolve.
Nanny states are dangrous because they coddle and encourage undo weakness instead of watching over just eough to protect and encourage stregnth while only stepping in when truly needed.
master-evil said:
[quote]I am a bit extreme when it's about pedophilia, I do recognize that.
Why? even 2-D pedophilia?
you make me feel sad =(
The Master of Evil: great line of thought and arguments, but please please please try to use more punctuation and PARAGRAPHS!
your walls of very interesting text is seriously very difficult to follow
deadbeat said:
Why? even 2-D pedophilia?
you make me feel sad =(
Am that was antika, not my comment :O, lol.
deadbeat said:
The Master of Evil: great line of thought and arguments, but please please please try to use more punctuation and PARAGRAPHS!your walls of very interesting text is seriously very difficult to follow
Thanks and sorry, am use to writing a wall of text straight, its a bad habit of mine ^^''
deadbeat said:
not judging you, but what is your cultural background? Are you black/jewish/european/german?
doesn't matter what cultural background I'm from... a book that claims that the holocaust didn't happen, is just plain wrong on so many levels.
but, they still have a right to be written and sold, unlike, apparently the book the OP is talking about.
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