Feminist Decries Persona 5 “Cis Privilege”

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A feminist review of Persona 5 has unsurprisingly led to the game being denounced for failure to deliver on its theme of “fighting the system” by not covering the trials and tribulations of the LGBTXYZ community with sufficient ardor.

The reviewer complains that not including the topic of the LGBTXYZ community is a missed opportunity as they “suffer the most” in society, and by not being allowed players to choose their gender they are forced to accept that the protagonist is an evil straight cis male:

“Persona 5 presents itself as a game about misfits and about exposing the unseen evils underlying Tokyo.

Yet these misfits adhere to the same norms and assumptions as the oppressive adults the game claims to challenge. The game assumes you’re a straight cis male.

Joker, the player character, is a paper-thin self-insert character that’s supposed to be the player, but he in no way represents me or much of the audience. The player can’t romance other men or select another gender.

By excluding the option to choose, Persona 5 demands players accept the cis straight male protagonist, despite being able to name their character.

It’s a game about rejection from society and trying to fix it. However, the biggest social rejects in Japan are not straight cis men, but queer people, trans people, and other marginalized folks who face issues because they don’t fit the social norms just by being themselves.

For these people it isn’t as simple as hair dye, getting arrested once, and so on; it is a core aspect of their very being.”

The reviewer additionally insists there should have been greater focus on “homophobia” and that the game atrociously makes fun of homosexuals:

When the game assumes the player and all the characters are straight, it misses the potential to tell the stories of real youth being affected by homophobia in Japan.

In fact, the game makes fun of gay men and has them more or less commit implied sexual assault on Ryuji, one of the party members in the game.

Its trans representation isn’t much better with Lala Escargot, a peripheral trans woman character, who receives nasty comments from Mishima after he meets her.

Naturally the review has claims the game mistreats its female characters and that the game’s swimsuit DLC is sexist:

However, not long after defeating [Kamoshida, a vile man allowed to abuse students because he brings the school money and prestige because he won an Olympic gold medal in volleyball], other party members convince Ann Takamaki, one of his victims, to strip in order to get information about another target.

Ryuji constantly pervs on girls who clearly do not want his advances. He isn’t alone in the game either: Morgana obsesses over Ann, despite her never indicating she’s interested, and we’re introduced to Yusuke when (as mentioned previously) he tries to force Ann to strip. While he didn’t have ill intent, it’s still harassment.

Sadly, the game undercuts itself by also offering swimsuit DLC. It’s enough to give me whiplash, going from characters I adore to being encouraged to download sexist fanservice of them.

This naturally met with rebuffs even in the site’s own comments:

When the camera ‘leers’ down the shirt of the girls in the desert bus scene, it is actually the boys from the backseat taking a look. Like teenagers with their blooming sexuality do.

Also while I do agree that a queer/gay/trans character would have indeed been possible, Persona 4 had Kanji and Naoto. Do we really want them to make their cast consist of repetition? It’s bad enough that Junpei Yosuke and Ryuji are basically the same person.

The response:

Don’t take this the wrong way, but your privilege is showing.


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    Comment by Anonymous
    20:15 26/11/2017 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    why the fuck there is a website called animefeminist. sorry, anime dont need feminist bs. you can go back to your western beta male countries.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:06 26/11/2017 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    bet you're fucking indo, or malay/pinoy.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:37 27/11/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    Pinoy here so fuck you, you white washed monkey who lives under his mother's basement, personal advice get a life or jump off a cliff instead.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:04 28/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    so-called male feminists are some of the most toxic people I've met tbh.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:27 27/11/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    It looks like he got it right.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:21 26/11/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    wow, he hit a bullseye, didn't he?

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:18 27/11/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    lolwut?

    Comment by Anonymous

    You westerners are the worst. Go back to your crumbling civilizations please and leave us alone.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:09 28/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    If you ever bothered to attend a history class (which by the sounds of it you didn't) it wasn't the Spanish that colonised the SEA countries but the French AND the English in some cases.

    Once again the USA rears its' ugly, uneducated head to interfere in issues it has either no benefit or relevance to...

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:15 27/11/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    SEAmonkey absolutely BTFO.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:26 27/11/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    It looks like the pinoys need to get civilized again. The spaniards and the americans left the job half-finished.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:52 28/11/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    @19:34 STFU please and GTFO. You're making us Westerners look far worse than before.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:34 28/11/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    14:09. If you bothered to read a history book then you would know that the spanish and america did indeed colonize the philippines which I accused him of being from.

    I suppose literacy is rare in whatever shithole you are from.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Yeah, us westerners are the superior race here. Fuck you.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:41 27/11/2017 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Western feminists invading our every hobbies. They need to be exterminated like the pests they are.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:42 27/11/2017 # ! Good (+0.6)

    They want to hijack these cultural pastimes to bring everyone else down to their level. ie 'Wonder Woman is problematic because she's not fat, trans, and black' (good God I wish I were making that one up).

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:01 27/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    She's israeli, still oppressed enough to protect.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:09 29/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Fit, good-looking, light skinned - Not gold medal material enough for the Oppression Olympics.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:27 26/11/2017 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    If I had a nickel for every single time people misunderstand Kanji and Naoto's characters in Persona 4, I'd be fucking right.

    Kanji wasn't gay; he wasn't struggling with his sexuality. He just happens to find cute things cute and was embarrassed to admit it, but that doesn't mean he was struggling to discover if he was straight or not. I mean for fuck's sake, he was attracted to Naoto, a female.

    And speaking of Naoto, she wasn't trying to become a man because that's who she "felt she was," she was acting the way she did because she was struggling to make a role (being a detecting) for herself in a workforce that was primarily male-dominated. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with being "queer/gay/trans."

    Holy shit people, I know analyzing characters is hard, but at least try a little.

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    Comment by Chen-04
    08:42 27/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    It's probably for the same reason these guys think anime depict westerners. https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2012/02/06/why-cute-anime-girls-are-drawn-like-white-people/

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:11 26/11/2017 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    Kanji was attracted to Naoto when she was acting as a male and he remained attracted to her after knowing Naoto's a she.

    In his arc, his shadow was gay as hell... and it's stated that those represents their hidden desires and such, plus he admitted to it.

    So, Kanji is probably bi. Just saying.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:21 27/11/2017 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    Kanji was attracted to Naoto when she was assuming a male role and being portrayed as a male and continued to be when later revealed herself as a female. Having gender as a non-decisive factor and being attracted to a person regardless is a sign that Kanji is in fact, not your candid heterosexual and is a sign of being queer; most likely pansexual. Honestly your analysis is really disregarding a lot of clear ass fucking signs imo, maybe collect your nickels this way by being wrong.

    Not to mention Naoto's shadow demonstrated Naoto's inner conflic with clear body dismorphia symptoms where she blamed herself for being born with a female biological body when she could've been more acknowledged with a male body. How is this not a conflict between transexual ideals? I don't know how you can translate it as such a shallow surface level even with Naoto's deeper psychological sides to her literally thrown at you face on.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:32 27/11/2017 # ! Good (+0.6)

    You are projecting so hard that it is hilarious.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:52 26/11/2017 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Remind me again why we listen to 0.1% of the population.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:10 27/11/2017 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Why bother? They do kill themselves over some pretended "depression".

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:13 26/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    0.1% population? damn thats a lot of feminist we have. we need a mass genocide on them.

    Comment by Anonymous

    lord forbid being a feminist cause apparently you'll be threatened by a homicidal Nazi dudebro

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:18 27/11/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    And feminist don't threaten the average man in a homicidal rage. Who are you trying to fool?

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:26 26/11/2017 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Nothing in their about section suggests they even live in Japan or know anything about Japanese society.

    From what Japanese friends tell me, they don't give a shit if anyone is queer or whatever, unless they make a big deal about it like the idiots who wrote this trash.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:29 26/11/2017 # ! Good (+0.8)

    One more thing. If they're so concerned about feminists in Japan, why is everything on there only in English? They're either scammers or propagandists.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:56 26/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Please forgive our Western idiots. The extremes in my society either scream about the Muslim brown people or the big mean patriarchy.

    A lot of jRPGs deal with sexuality and identity more tacitly and better than most western games. (Nier, Persona 4, ETC.) and are about as good as representing women in games, too.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:23 27/11/2017 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Feminists and their cucked allies are the scum of the world. They need to die off quickly.

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    Comment by Chen-04
    02:50 27/11/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    This will be hard without someone giving them a helping hand.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:07 26/11/2017 # ! Good (+0.8)

    You gotta love these modern day feminist, screaming their heads off at the most trivial subject, but won't lift one finger to help an actual person.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:33 26/11/2017 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    So why aren't you helping the homeless or volunteering in a hospital instead of whining about feminists on this site?

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:24 26/11/2017 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Depends. Does he claim to stand for something? Does he order them to do what you're saying? Is it bad nowadays to make an observation based off of what you see and write it on the net?

    You see whining, I see someone making a pass like someone watching tv and saying what they have at the moment about an ad that just showed just then. Is it bad? Shall I assume you're an SJW for pulling that shit argument?

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:02 27/11/2017 # ! Good (+0.6)

    @21:33
    Why?
    Because I won't help people unless I get something in return. Virtue-bux not accepted.

    If the weak do not fight to survive and eventually perish, then that was their limit as sentient beings.

    Unlike feminists, I don't pretend to be virtuous. I don't pretend to be some sort of hero saving the world from oppression.

    The onus is on them to reduce the hypocrisy that they show.

    Example: Instead of holding "Refugees Welcome" signs they should look at the poverty right under their noses. They could even house a few homeless people.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:52 28/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    To counter, why aren't the feminists doing precisely that themselves? One would think that the best way to generate a positive view of the movement would be to see them doing publicly helpful things like assisting the homeless or volunteering at a hospital, or completing other tasks to show "strong women helping people, because we can; 'even a woman can do it, so why aren't you?'", that sort of thing.

    Before you try to turn the argument around on someone, make sure that you've actually got a valid answer for it yourself. You don't get to question why someone else isn't making difference while you sit on your ass and don't contribute yourself.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:36 28/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    @07:52
    I usually state that feminists complain about there not being enough women in Engineering or Technology or whatever, yet they have enrolled in Gender Studies courses, which does not work towards their apparent objective.

    What you have written is in line with this notion and I was glad to read it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:06 27/11/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    @21:33 Do you do those things? If not STFU.

    I do all of that plus some more with orphans, out of my own pocket, and not as a career based on donations or some tax break fund, which everyone can claim of doing lots, while actually doing just a bit to help, even if every little bit helps. Got no help from the likes of you growning up, yet here I am. (No disrespect to social workers & every other who truly puts it out there, even the burnt out ones.)

    I don't see you fake feminazi or sjw here helping, but bitch about it. Same could be said for them fake tradcon, but at least some of them do come and do some fake vanity projects.

    And I love anime, manga, and jgames, since they have been pro actual feminism, lgbtq & sjw since the beginning decades ago, being inclusive yet balanced of EVERY side and positive lesson teaching, while providing careers to actual 2nd wave feminist and all sorts of social-economical, sexual, racial "minorities" in their own society, provided they have the skills and creativity to tell an art.

    And that is why you fake ass propagandists shats who can't contribute to the otaku community want to take over, just like you have taken over most respectable Western new media, mass media, entertainment media, creative media, gaming, etc and turn it to shats.

    And since you have no control over foreign media, so that is the campaign you are starting now, again. I still remember what you fake fucks did at the start of this decade, since anime was becoming a thing on your TV, shut down and falsely accused a lot of anime, manga, jgame n shat. And now you have Kenshin just as he comes back. You fucks in here ain't new otaku, and have no idea what it was being old otaku.

    Louis C.K. did nothing wrong, but you fake fucks media from both sides want to hang him for Hillary, and since he is a Mex, it is okay for you fake fucks; just like it was for Obama the "mussie nigga", who was actually more Christian and culturally more true respectable WASP yet multicultural than many of you fake feminazi sjw or tradcon fucks.

    45th is just the logical symptom of the cause, and many of them fake feminazi sjw still don't get it.

    TL:DR feminist sjw otaku create great doujin or professional works for decades, fake feminist sjw instant-fans create more virtue signalling critic articles, papers, books since anime became a thing, like they do everywhere else to indoctrinate and start shat, even on the true OG feminists & SJW.

    Thanks to them, we now have steam doing shat on Jgames that are not even H games, and great works of all kinds being censored.

    Good thing about the Library War, there are clear villians. Too bad the live actions sucked as every other.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:32 27/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    That entire critique reads like a very pretentious and long winded way of saying “WHY DON’T YOU VIDEO GAME DEVELOPERS CATER TO MY NEEDS AND OF THAT OF THESE POOR PEOPLE WHO NEVER ASKED FOR MY INPUT BUT I’LL STILL SAY WHAT WANT EVEN IF THEY DON’T WANT TO!”
    Also, “your privilege is showing” is a terrible reply. That is code word for “fuck you, my opinion matters more than whatever you have to say, don’t like it shove it”. Fuck anyone who does this and say it unironically.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:56 27/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    I'm beyond caring about these people by now...

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:32 26/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Please tell me this is a joke...

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    Comment by Anonymous
    22:32 26/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Naoto Shirogane and Kanji Tatsumi are not gay. Yosuke Hanamura is the most likely gay in modern Persona.

    Mishima did not meet Lala Escargot. Mishima met Ohya Ichiko. She wanted to interview him as a source of information on the phantom thieves, as her part of the contract with Joker.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:31 27/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    These stupid modern day feminists ruin feminism.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:37 28/11/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    Feminist ruined feminism even at it's inception.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:41 27/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Modern feminist trying to be virtuous to get attention... i laugh so hard everytime we heard about their bullshit, my father used to said hypocrisy is a one way ticket to hell you know.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:18 27/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    That is not feminism, it's whale Lord white girls condescending to people with Tumblr buzzwords.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    18:55 26/11/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    you really can't expect me to read more than the title of this post rather than waste braincells with sjw backwards broken logic nonsense






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