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Live action Ghost in the Shell movie US distribution chief Kyle Davies has been whining that fanboys and reviewers complaining about whitewashing are the reason the title’s box office take was so abysmal – despite most movie critics also being in agreement that the film itself was quite sub-par.

Kyle Davies alluded to the difficulties around sticking to the source for a series that many fans know and love whilst also catering to watchers unfamiliar with it in its entirety, choosing to blame the fanboys crying over the “whitewashing” matter rather than the studio’s inability to make a compelling feature.

Kyle Davies’ entire remark on the matter:

“We had hopes for better results domestically. I think the conversation regarding casting impacted the reviews.

You’ve got a movie that is very important to the fanboys since it’s based on a Japanese anime movie.

So you’re always trying to thread that needle between honoring the source material and make a movie for a mass audience.

That’s challenging, but clearly, the reviews didn’t help.“

Many critics, including many of the reviewers themselves, believed that the movie’s downfall would be due to its sheer Hollywood quality rather than the casting controversy, as such live action adaptations are by now a byword for failure and “gensaku rape.”


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    Comment by Anonymous
    07:03 09/04/2017 # ! Good (+0.8)

    No reasonable person actually cared about the skin color of the actors.

    But, they did care about the fact that Hollywood continuously craps out cheap shallow movies that get blown away in depth by basically any anime.

    Hence, I did not see it and never will. No point.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:51 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    You must be daft. Asian-Americans see it as a BIG freaking deal. It's all about representation.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:38 10/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    No-one gives a fuck about any of that shit. Only SJWs and racists. Asian-Americans are simply angry racists as far as this goes. Besides, it's a Japanese story, so any Chinese/Korean/whatever else-Americans can fuck off.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:10 10/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    yep, scarlet is fine, the only problem is the name, why? still is motoko kusanagi?
    they only wanted the ghost in the shell`s fan money.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:44 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Screw that. Skin color is super important. I'm sick and tired of whitewashing, blackwashing, anything-washing characters. Race is a part of a character's identity. Don't change it. There's never a valid reason to change it, it never helps.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:17 10/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    Can you name a Japanese actress that can speak English good enough so that an western audience can understand them. People need to quit bitching about race washing because the actors do not speak the language of the target region good enough for them to be understood... I don't know about any of you, I'm not gonna set through a 2+ hour move and read subtitles. It's a waste of money. and dub-overs are really shit now-a-days. So everyone that complains about race-washing needs to chill the fuck out and look at the bigger picture.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:18 17/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    @11:17
    "Can you name a Japanese actress that can speak English good enough so that an western audience can understand them." Oh, you pulled that card. How about not bothering to have them speak english and just adding subs? The weebs would love it AND you'll get people watching it for its bold move.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:47 11/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    bunch of Japanese people live in the US. it is also some in Britain.
    doubt that not a single one of those got looks and the skills of an pro actor and have not learned proper english

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:47 10/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    if race acutally doesn't play an important role in characters development then why should it matter ?

    And with that whole artificial body concept why is it so hard to process she's played by white actor.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:49 11/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    She is a fucking cyborg she had no ethnicity the FUCKING CREATOR SAID IT YOU PICE OF TRASH WEEBOO MORRON IDIOT

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:20 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Goes to show: Flash, talk, and budget do not mean anything. Look at the garbage Hollywood churns out, then look at something like Kemono Friends. 10-person staff, insanely low budget, but ended up being a legend. Why?

    Actual creativity and genuineness.

    Something most Americans do not want turn their brains on for 10 seconds to figure out.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:33 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    jep. i just recently had a disscusion about anime style and figured out why muricans can not do it. they dont even belive there are rules to be followed, they laugh at me when i tryd to tell them manga style has certain guidlines and that there is a "mainstream" which is to be followed whatever you try to acomplish with manga. they just laught, like "nah thats bullshit. im murican, i can do what i want" for this attitude i have the strong belive that muricant wont be able to make real anime even in 20 years. i just wonder why sankaku doesnt ban murican like artworks from the image board

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:14 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    One atypical American did, and after he passed away, personally don't like how the story went as all the characters took a 45 degree to a 180 degree turn in their character.

    Luckily, when he passed away, the serie also came to a seasonal end.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:42 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    Were you referring to Monty Oum?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:24 17/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    @16:33
    why should they even do it? i want the west to continue creating their own shows like adventure time, rick and morty, the regular show, archer, harvey birdman, drawn together, bojack horseman etc...

    Comment by Anonymous

    Kemono Friends is shit

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:09 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yep it is shit and even worse a bag of dog dicks

    Comment by Anonymous

    Well, at least Kemomo Friends is still better than BOTH "joe-pee-pee-maltin's play-of-chairs" AND this white-bitch remake "spook in the egg" COMBINED.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:54 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I saw the movie because the theater for Logan for full. It wasn't bad. I already knew they took out all the philosophical stuff and boiled it down to just an action movie. They mentioned topics about being human if you're mostly machine and about the soul, then moved on to action. All in all it was what I expected. Getting people interested in the series in the most I can hope for.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:27 09/04/2017 # ! Good (+0.6)

    >boiled it down to just an action movie

    They took a futuristic cyberpunk anime that explores the boundaries of identity, self and human/AI intelligence and debased it to a revenge flick with robots.

    They changed the plot because they believed their audience was too stupid to understand the original story. Is it any surprise the audience returned the same contempt to the movie makers?

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:19 10/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    I disagree. A good story attracts audience. Its the way the story is told.
    Something that would have made plausible reason, something that explained. But you would need fantasy and guts.

    Comment by Anonymous

    There is no audience for high concept stuff in todays world. Movies need money, people need to watch the movie to make money, the more people watch the movie there more money they get. To make a movie that more people watch you have to make it more accassible to a wider audiance.

    The general idea is in Hollywood is make a big movie that you don't actually want to make but need the money from it then make the small one that you really want to make, when you get the money from the previous movie.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:07 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    The Movie has excellent graphics and that's it.

    It was lacking everything else.

    All the characters roles were skewered and when the only two characters that were barely like the original was Togusa and Araki.

    When Major said to Batou "Are you going to tell the Chief?" I was like whhhhhhhaaaattt? Complete 180 flip on both characters.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:06 10/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    You're missing out on a good movie. It's actually pretty true to most of the franchise and about as true as the first movie was. Maybe more so.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:39 10/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    I couldn't give a rat's ass about whitewashing, but ScarJo was not Motoko material, and it was she alone who sunk that movie for many, many people out there.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:04 10/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    ScarJo was just fine tbh, or at least as good as she could be with the role she was given. The movie's shitty script is what killed it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:00 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    I do, I'm kind tired of this nonsense, there's plenty of japanese actors that could have filled the role.

    Its like making L black, I'm tired of it, there is no good justification for it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:34 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    japanese people are white

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:15 10/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    Tell that to Caucasians

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:21 10/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    Again can anyone name one Japanese person that could even speak English well enough for westerns to understand them. If you can't fuck off and shut up about it

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:39 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    The difference is that Motoko NEVER really looked asian, not even in the first manga.

    L is pale as fuck, it can't never be black, but Motoko could be anuthing (in fact in most depictions she looks more like a western woman than an asian woman and in the rest she looks like indeterminated).

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:13 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    L being black is different. Japanese people are white, and this is an American movie, so I don't see the problem. Shoehorning in a black dude as L is pandering, though. Johannsen is stupid but at least it wasn't pandering.

    Not defending the movie, but I've not understood the need to cast all these Japanese people in it, and the backlash over the "white-washing". The skin color of the actors is the least of this movies problems.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:46 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    Johannsen as Major is pandering to white people.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:27 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    im sure if ppl where watching BATMAN or SUPERMAN and where portrait by other ethnicity other than white, the white community would be angry at that idea. just portrait the characters to their true background of origin and be true to the source, you would at least have the true fans happy.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:59 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm reasonable and I kinda cared about the skin color because I hate localization changes in general (Motoko -> Mira, WTF? Not the same person anymore). But if the movie was actually good, I probably wouldn't care.

    If it did bother me enough, I would just not watch it. Personal taste, personal decision. No biggie. I definitely wouldn't waste time throwing a fit about it and make pointless petitions and shit.

    It's as you said, skin color is a minor issue compared to how damn shallow and shitty Hollywood has been lately. I guess you could say that people overreacting to something relatively minor like skin color could be because Hollywood can't even get simple things right anymore.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Her new name was 'mira' she learns her old name was motoko, what's your point?

    Gitgud kid, make assumptions, prove you're just a keyboard tough guy.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:29 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    "No reasonable person actually cared about the skin color of the actors."

    Wow, you really think you're above everyone, Mr. Snowflake.

    It's not always about color. The whitewashing showed up with Aramaki speaking Japanese, but everyone answering in English. The studio knew they were bias using the name Major, instead of Motoko Kusanagi.
    BTW: Masamune Shirow created her as Japanese.
    https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/4983929

    If they named the movie Future American Robot Girl no one would have cared who they cast.

    I guess I'm unreasonable...

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:56 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    "BTW: Masamune Shirow created her as Japanese."

    Where the fuck did you get your information? Had you read the original manga, you would know that her shell is a generic, mass-produced model with after market military-grade mods. That allows her to do her job while not standing out. If you had seen the first movie, then you would have seen the villian had the same generic shell, except it was blond.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:08 09/04/2017 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Right, so body is made in Japan, her name is Motoko Kusanagi, and she works for an internal Japanese government agency with high level clearance... You're right, maybe she's Finnish? Or Korean?

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:39 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    I fail to see any contradiction between the statements of you two. If she lives in Japan & has a body that "is a generic, mass-produced model" then she would look generically Japanese. So what is the inaccuracy you are trying to point out?

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:14 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    12:39, the generic model doesnt really look japanese but blurs the line between ethnecies (caucasian, african, asian, etc) as much as possible since it's a jane doe model sold world wide.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:30 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yes, it says "Made in Japan", not "Made to look Japanese", lol. Dumbest argument ever.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:01 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    "BTW: Masamune Shirow created her as Japanese."

    ""Where the fuck did you get your information?""

    Did you follow the link to the early Shirow illustration of Motoko?
    You have a quick temper mate, you'll go far.

    Comment by Anonymous

    "If you had seen the first movie, then you would have seen the villian had the same generic shell, except it was blond."

    If you had understood the first movie, you would know the "blond" was a remote doll. It shouldn't have had a ghost signature. It wasn't a "generic shell".

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:40 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    "Wow, you really think you're above everyone"
    No, not everyone. I'm just above people like you, but that's not a big achievement.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:14 10/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fucking supremicist. You need a lesson in humility.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Tell that to white goku.

    Comment by Anonymous

    it's a good movie. just not as great as the original.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:58 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    What original are you referring to?

    The Movie was an abomination of an amalgamation of the 1995 one, the 2004 one and the 2nd S.A.C. Series.

    It was also in stark conflict with the Major only being a Cyborg for a year whereas in the Movies she clearly has the personality of someone who has seen some shit for like most of her life and because of this has become the hardened character we know.

    Same for her being called Major - The way the everyone addresses her with a title instead of her name clearly tells you about them respecting her from long service time - Not someone you just got to know for a year - Maybe less if you consider that she might have had half a year of rehab before going into active duty.

    No no... This Movie was bad, really bad.
    So bad I couldn't even enjoy the okay graphics.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:14 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    And I do agree, why did they choose GitS instead of titles like Armitage III, or Angel Cop, or a ton of other decently nice works with similar theme.

    So they should just calls it Git bluedogShit and calls it a day. Same goes for almost every other live actions.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:09 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    Because unlike trolls with nothing going for their lives, some people have enough passion, spare time, train of thought, etc to profess their passion again.

    Why do people in love write poems or love letters? Sometimes to no one?

    Wish I was passionate enough about GitS to do something similar. Too bad it is just one of Shirow's nice works, out of plenty other nice works from other talented creators.

    Instead I just tell troll to piss off from making assumptions about weebs, another assumption concerning the visitors to this place.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:32 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    get a life dude. here you are, a sad little weebo troll pretending to be "sophisticated".

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:29 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    0858 was right tho.. it was a shit movie, so much so I got a refund (after much arguing) for my ticket.. stick that up ya tailpipe Kyle Davies!!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:55 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    You actually got a refund? How can one do that, do u have to walk out of the movie within the 1st 30 minutes?

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:00 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    thanks 8.58, i got that vibe from the trailer alone and the fact the moniker "revenge flic" thrown around en mass.

    Comment by Anonymous

    I dont understand why people put so much effort writing such long essays answering against a painfully very obvious troll comment.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Says the troll who have to come here to make the pointless life worth living, after trolling on preceived "weeb" that some troll assumed.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:04 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    The story was horrible and the acting was stale, if you think the movie is actually good, then you have poor taste in movies it seems.

    Only thing remotely good about the movie was the visuals and the guy who played Batou.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:50 10/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah the were great along with the first villain. Scarjo was alright, I just think she needed better script for her character.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:03 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    Beat Takeshi killing fools was pretty good. While I was watching it, all I could think about was how'd I'd rather be watching Outrage or something.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:53 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    The guy playing Batou, Pilou Asbaek freakin' stole the show. You come to see psuedo naked ScarJo but you stay for Batou and Aramaki gunning bitches down.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:32 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    thank you. i thought the movie didnt give any justice to the anime. i thought it was trash. especially with her background story and and her love interest. and Motoko could have been portrait by an American-Asian actress and not scarlet J. she was horrible in this film, from her walk to her expressions, just dumb to look at.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:01 09/04/2017 # ! Neutral (0)

    don't know, when I saw batou's "implants" i already wrote the movie off.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:09 09/04/2017 # ! Drivel (-0.8)

    is good movie







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