Funimation GamerGate Quip “Inexcusable!”
- Categories: Anime, News
- Date: Oct 4, 2015 17:22 JST
- Tags: English, Funimation, GamerGate, Prison School, Translation
An incendiary GamerGate reference inserted into the 7th episode of Funimation’s Prison School dub has prompted outrage online and a response from the company, though most have greeted it as little more than a cop-out and far from a sincere apology.
Criticism has stemmed both from the line’s irrelevance and deviation from the source material, and its obvious and rather ham-fisted attempt to shove the hugely persuasive “gamers are evil misogynists and the gaming media a paragon of integrity” narrative so beloved of feminists, knights of social justice and gaming industry media shills down the throats of disinterested viewers.
The line was concocted by Funimation write Tyson Rinehart, who has seemingly dug himself a deeper hole by taking a rather sarcastic stand in regards to the incident on his Twitter:
If you think rape threats against women in gaming are acceptable, I’m glad my script pissed you off. #PrisonSchool #itwasjustonelineyounerds
The “offensive” line:
Whatever the politics of the matter, neither the reputation of dubs in general or their respect for source material seems likely to be improved by the incident.
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anyone taking videogames seriously is either an hyper-offended transsexual "FUCK YOU STEVE, YOURE NOT MY REAL DAD" retard idiot loser or a "videogame journalist" who complains about ethics in videogame journalism.
fuck all of these people. i genuinly miss the 90s when all i had to worry about was how to get home from school fast enough to be able to play my megamens or marios. not whether my micro-aggressions triggered a pan-sexual herbivore's sense of justice and moralities. while playing a videogame.
The game industry happens to be worth $91.5 billion dollars. That is some pretty serious money.
It matters when the "in crowd pulls dirty shit for personal profit, whilst screwing over consumers and other developers. That's why GG exists. To complain about that shit happening.
But you're right in that people in general are too sensitive now, and they should fk off. Personally, I miss when games weren't mainstream.
"When games weren't mainstream" The 80s, then?
Just my opinion, but I think GG exists because the anti-feminist circle jerk saw the uber-feminist circle jerk getting focus on those dumb gawker/Polygon type sites, and wanted the old jerk back.
See this? ---->
That's how many fucks I give about gamergate. Keep that SJW shit away from my anime!
I believe that's the general attitude of gamergate faggots to that as well and it's precisely why they still whipped up a storm. Honestly though, I'm tired of both ridiculous drama and nobodies inserting bullshit politics where it's not wanted or needed because they want to feel important.
Tell that to the anti gamergaters, then. Gamergaters just want to be left alone to enjoy their hobby(ies)in peace without these fucking gender activist(anti GGers) inserting their politics into EVERYTHING.
The same thing has also been happening to other communities like the heavy metal community, sci-fi, geekdom,etc. Anyone fandom or hobby seen as MALE DOMINATED has been invaded by PC fuckers.
Pro-GG person here. Be happy to fucking oblige, most of us don't want that shit anywhere!
Same here! Go GG! Leave anime alone SJW scum!
>Pro-GG person here. Be happy to fucking oblige, most of us don't want that shit anywhere!
Please tell that to the pro-GG ass you have dubbing this anime for Funi then.
Are you illiterate?
The dubbers are anti-gamergate. They included that line as a potshot.
anti-ggers are generally pedophiles. thats why you can find them at funimation. look up scott freeman.
AntiGG are pedos who hate 2D lolis.
Damn creeps. You don't have those on steam. Just retards.
what does anime have to do with gaming in the states anyway? i mean besides the occasional poorly made game nobody buys that has nothing to do with the anime of course.
So you think there's ZERO crossover between gamers and anime fans??
there's zero cross over between sjw and prison school
I think SJWs would have a lot to say about Prison School. I doubt they would enjoy it.
Go back to Jezebel/Huffington Compost/Salon/Guardian/Gawker/Mary Sue,etc where you belong, loser.
Oh no! I must go off and cry now!
The majority of anime watchers are also gamers, sword art online has got most of it's success because of it.
And substantial number of those would be gamergate supporters.
If you then scold that group calling them "creeps" and "weirdos" without even know who they are, you just end up shooting yourself in your foot, which is what Funimation managed to do.
I don't think GG would have any problem if this was a favorable reference. Is it fair to blanketly call all GGers great people if you don't know all of them that well?
There shouldn't be ANY reference to Gamergate because that's not what the line said, the problem most people have with this is that they inserted it in there for no reason but their own.
Pretty sure you're wrong about this. They loved the SVU episode, which actually painted them as rapists. It's probably more about the people writing the dub that the dubs themselves.
Oh man, that was hilarious.
Ironically, Kotaku ended up complaining about it more than GG.
Seriously. You have an abnormally strange perception of the world.
No, my perception is on the level. Again, if this was a pro-GG line inserted into an anime script, GGers would be cheering. GG doesn't give a fuck that a dub script was re-written.
Again Vegeta is wrong.
"In my case, I've read and heard more than enough to know that I want no part in GG"
-- YotaruVegeta
I like how you say you want nothing to do with GG, but have posted the most out of anyone in this thread. You imply you're well informed, but you don't know about the FTC filings and subsequent ruling, the SPJ, or even the litigation on the false restraining/gag order ZQ put on EJ.
You also don't seem to care to inform yourself to these things as people have already mentioned the former two. It's just a google away! How can we trust someone who stays willfully ignorant?
So if you don't care? Why are you here? It's because you have a bone to pick somewhere. Trying to feign apathy doesn't match up with the amount of discourse you've had in this thread compared to your usual activity level.
And the sad part? Everyone sees through you, which is reflected by people down voting and disagreeing with you.
No, Anonymous has written more posts than anyone in this thread. ;)
Hey, I'll admit: I'm all about this particular conversation. I still don't actively keep up with GG. I'm interested because I looked at these comments, and people are all butthurt that someone dare say something negative about GG. If this was a negative line about SJWs or ridiculous Tumblr feminists, people here would jump for joy. I'm interested and amused by the hypocrisy lying beneath some of these comments.
I read up on GG in the past, because it was unavoidable news for gamers at one point. I have been informed of all the drama that started this movement. I didn't stay with it, because there's a cloud of anti-women shit and general nastiness that doesn't sit well with me.
Also, Funimation didn't "shoot themselves in the foot" Nothing will come of this. People are all pissed, but the numbers of people who will boycott the dub of Prison School will not be dramatic.
This is how most "controversies" work. A lot of social media anger, then fizzle.
While I agree the line was pointless, I don't understand why people are so butt hurt. Stop being P.C., most important though, whose watches anime dubs?
I saw only one as i am not surveiling them.. but omg he had such a creep face expression and kinda rushed away when i was looking at it too. He must have mistaken me as a same creepfacer because he said something to me 1 sec before fleeing.
I just clicked the link and it seems like he got a lot of the hate tweets on the 30th. Its definitely a right for us, Americans, to express our rights, but I imagine that must make life more difficult. Oh well, back to surfing the web to pass time in the waiting room.
Nah its not trying to inimidate with possibilities to gun your ass down or to force the very permanent existence of guns down someones throat . No its expressing rights. Just watch the next idealistic shotdown with red cars , hartz 4 and mexicans
it also distorts what gamergate was all about.
cause gamergate has nothing to do with that situation or that scene that is playing. femenist hijack gamergate and made it into a misogynistic excuse against men, while in actually Gamergate was about integrity off game journalism and bias opinions off blogs and game news website.
femenist just hijiacked it cause off Zoe quinn got a lot off hate for possibly banging a kotaku reporter to get her own game good ratings.
But it wasn't for good ratings since Kotaku doesn't rate anything. They just give positive or negative coverage based on their own opinions instead of actual facts. In this case it was good coverage and after those couple of articles were written they started a relationship while she still was with another guy.
But seriously, Kotaku's bad journalism it's why Yu Suzuki is struggling for fan support and not receiving enough fund for Shenmue 3. They wrote a misinformed piece trying to expose the shady relation between this project and Sony and after that many removed their donations while others that were willing to to donate didn't.
You're mixing things up.
It's not "political correctness" to be upset at a translator intentionally overwriting dialogue with his own personal opinion.
He's not doing the damn job people are paying him for.
That is something worthy of valid complaint.
Imagine if a delivery service fails to deliver your package. You call and ask what's up. They tell you, "stop being so PC". Doesn't work that way, does it?
Just unprofessional. I expected a bit more from Funimation, since you know, they're a major company and they're SELLING these DVD's. And the writer who did this admitted he did it to get people mad. What a fucking manchild. I never gave a damn about GamerGate, and it should not be shoehorned into an anime dub. They should fire whoever was in charge of the script.
A company that started on stealing fansubs and selling them was never professional to begin with. Their scripts are often inaccurate to the point of not delivering the meaning at all.
I'd be shocked if this guy wasn't fired in the coming days.
If I was the one running the company there's no doubt I'd fire him... And whoever was in charge of checking the scripts, because they clearly did not do their job.
Right to publish anime are not cheap enough to let inmature idiots pull stupid pranks with your money.
The person who did this was an editor. I wonder if they don't have anyone to check his authority on the script.
I can see how it happened, I wouldn't fire them over it. Everyone wants everyone fired over one thing. If everyone did that, nobody with any skill would be left in any industry.
The guy just needs to be told why it's not allowed and they have to find out why he felt it was appropriate. He just needs some oversight on him so he does his job more appropriately and be done with it.
He is correct, it is just one line, but it's also correct that it is completely irrelevant and topical to something that didn't need it and it was done to make people angry.
So he needs to be watched and if he tries something unprofessional again, he then goes to the chopping block. It could have just as easily gone another direction to that demographic.
When you have a business with such a niche fanbase, pissing them off is a bad idea. And its a completely normal thing to fire someone over a potential profit loss for something stupid.
@ Anon 00:59
Granted, it's not just the "one line" that he's responsible for. He also went and further agitated the crowd with his Twitter comment, which perpetuates the gross misconception that everyone in GamerGate is a rape sympathizer (ironically, the games media making such horrible generalizations about their own audience was part of the reason GamerGate got started in the first place, and after a whole year, SJWs are consistently failing to learn this). Though I can agree with you that such actions probably aren't enough to warrant an immediate firing. Nevertheless, he was mostly responsible for this utter PR nightmare, so he should at the very least be kept on a close watch.
Profit and loss in finding an editor and training them up is actually a worthwhile consideration if they're not new on projects. Granted editors are a dime a dozen these days. But realistically they can get the voice actress to retake the line for the DVDs when she comes in for the next episode dub as well since it's simulcast, so it's not really as bad as it could be, thankfully. THey just need to recognize the backlash, have her re-record the lines for the previous episode on another session and they'll be all set, then just make the announcement that it was unacceptable and will not happen again.
"When you have a business with such a niche fanbase, pissing them off is a bad idea. And its a completely normal thing to fire someone over a potential profit loss for something stupid."
Who says the majority of anime fans are GG? You assume that this will have any effect on this anime dub whatsoever.
The problem is that he is supporting the official narrative about GamerGaters being cis, male, white assholes harassing women when it's a) about corruption in the media, especially video games and b) GamerGate have been fighting this false image ever since the official media created this official narrative because "Fuck you, WE are the media and WE decide what the masses have to think!" If he doesn't know any better, he should leave shit like that out and if it was deliberate because he *knows* the truth and still pushes the wrong narrative then he's an asshole and a liar.
Jacky la Mort, is GG about "corruption in the media" or are they about being the opposition to SJWs? Beyond the Quinn scandal, what else have they been up to? It seems like Quinn was their big hit, and they've had nothing but fighting with anyone who looks like they oppose their hashtag.
I like how my comment was downvoted for giving him a second chance. Why does everyone thing everyone needs to be fired immediately for one thing gone wrong? The same goes for that cop who posted the picture of Fuuka going "Aw shit, nigga!" and that was hilarious, but there was major backlash. Everyone who downvoted my evenhanded approach also wants that man fired and his record fucked over as a police officer because of that mistake too.
You people need some perspective. Firing people for things is not something that should be the immediate first response.
Why shouldn't it? Lots of anime has modern pop culture references, some of which doesn't translate well to non-Japanese audiences. That's probably the reason that they put Gamergate in there. Gamergate is not sacred.
In the original she just gives him shit for the way he talks to her because she's an upper classman. Pretty sure that would translate just fine in the dub and the gg shit wasn't needed at all.
The school senority dynamic still existed when I went to highschool almost a decade ago. did it go away while I was gone?
See, about that upperclassman thing, it doesn't mean that much in the West. Especially when they're just a year apart. Westerners might wonder why she gives him flak for that. Sometimes Japanese stuff won't translate well like with Chocolove's jokes in Shaman King, and GinTama's numerous references to Japanese pop culture. Sometimes Japanese way of thinking infuriates me because it makes it so that some plots are totally unbelievable. In Kangoku Gakuen, why didn't the boys just appeal to Assman(:D) in the first place. The story goes that they're afraid their parents would find out. That "saving face" shit is what kept them in freaking prison for more than a month. Surely human rights violations are a bigger deal than peeping. Seriously, if being lewd is such a big deal then Meiko should've been reprimanded long ago.
-I still love the series though. I just can't stand Meiko. :)
It's not that they can't include Gamergate if that's what the script actually said. It never made mention of it though, the translator decided to insert it for his own reasons.
If the original quote referenced some Japanese only internet event, then GG would make sense. It just doesn't though. It would be better if they jammed a cat meme in there or something. At least that's less topical.
It's also obvious flame bait. One can only hope this asshole gets fired because this kind of shit can cost the company much more money than he could ever hope to see in his life.
This will cost the company little to nothing. Internet talk is cheap. I don't think this will translate to losses.
People act like this is the first dub script to take liberties. This is the first one to name GG, as far as I know.
Vegeta, what the absolute fuck are you talking about?
Learn to read basic English, anonymous. I can't help it if you can't read.
Go and look up the original dialogue and then ask yourself if a "pop culture reference" was even required.
Reminds me a little of the dub VA who insulted the fanbase.
And the pedophile dub actor Funimation employed for years before he got caught by the FBI.
Uh, Funimation aren't detectives. They didn't work with the guy, knowing that he was into kids. I guess this is all we can go back to as a dig on Funimation?
OK, use it, but they weren't pedo apologists or hiding him out like a Catholic priest.
Considering the parent organization behind FUNImation is a hardcore christian organization whose goal is to produce indie christian films to further promote their own views, I highly doubt they'd give a fuck about this guy pushing his views.
Funimation doesn't have a parent company. They used to be owned by a company called Navarre, but they bought themselves out and became independent again.
What you're referring to is, I believe, a side project Funimation's president, Gen Fukunaga. To the best of my knowledge, EchoLight (the Christian production studio) and Funimation have no business connection aside from Fukunaga.
Exactly. Whether anyone cares about Gamergate ro not, it shouldn't be there.
Isn't it because it had current political events in there that was a message and a joke? I don't care about gamergate either way, but I watch my anime to escape listening to real political squabbles and seeing political stuff seep into dubs of anime is not pleasant. If this was as reference that was like 10 years old or if the current event fit the theme, then it wouldn't urk people. I think people just not like seeing real politics pop up in anime when it wasn't part of the original script. I for one and on the side of, if it isn't originally there, don't make a joke about current politics.
This was for a streaming dub, not for DVD/BD. I'd imagine that after all this controversy, they'll redub it for the disc release.