No Game No Life’s Yuu Kamiya “Blatantly Traced”
- Categories: Manga, News
- Date: Oct 9, 2014 01:51 JST
- Tags: Artists, Comparison, Copyright, Image Gallery, noGamenoLife, Plagiarism
Fabled No Game no Life artist Yuu Kamiya is the latest high profile figure to face some fairly convincing accusations of tracing the work of random illustrators plucked from the bowels of the Internet – which has sadly enough been proven to be a rather commonplace act despite the risks.
The allegations surface by way of Twitter, and come with some fairly numerous comparison images:
So far there is no impact on the artist, his publisher or the franchise itself, but this may yet soon change it seems.
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This is just stupid. All he's done is use the same poses, while everything else is different. That's not tracing, that's using an image as a reference, and should be totally ok.
Correct, it's a perfectly legal technique that every artist does and learns in school.
I guess it's the same school who taught the people of wall street how to rip off everyone. and if you are paying an education and they are teaching you that well I am deeply sorry for you.
Yeah right, the copyright law is one of the tools the 1% use to be able to accumulate such wealth while making the rest work for them.
The only thing those comparison images show is the artist might have used them for reference, which is different from blatantly copying.
It's natural that images, characters, ideas etc get recycled a lot of times, all the new stuff is derived from the stuff that came before it.
you're ignorant, and obviously not an artist, as is pretty much anyone in here calling it a trace, look up comic book techniques, all comic artists do it, as long as the finished product looks nothing like the original then anyone can do whatever they want with someone else's image. DC artists do it, as well as Marvel artists, and the majority of manga artists. All that he did was use the poses, everything else is completely different, and there are tons of pose books out there that artists are free to use in their artwork, and the majority of them are Japanese, which results in multiple artists having the same poses in their artwork. Everyone says trace, but the grid method, which is what I use, produces the same affects and helps with scaling. You draw a number of squares, using a "grid", on the image, and then draw the same number of squares on the paper you're drawing on, then you concentrate in producing the image piece by piece in each separate square.
Whenever this is right or wrong, the statement is still true, he is tracing popular artworks, and most of the examples here are pixiv works that I really love.
Since he is clearly doing it, he should admit it and face the consequences. If this isn't that bad a public apology will do it.
There's also the grid method.
Most of you are lost causes. Aspiring artists who have reluctantly accepted the fact that you'll never be good enough, who cling to a morsel of hope in a plagiarist whose unethical means of creating art can be seen as a means to compensate for your own shortcomings. You have so much invested in the public's acceptance of plagiarism as a viable means of creation, that you zealously defend anybody who practices it, while attempting to silence all who question it.
It's not worth trying to convince people who barely seem to possess even a baby's level of perception of the truth. I can only imagine the disappointment you'll experience when you realize the the majority of the world, or at least those who matter, do not possess the skewed sense of reality that you seem to view the world through.
If anything here was used as reference, nothing would line up 1:1 like it does, dumbass.
Had you even look at the images? They're traced, there's a difference on using references and tracing. He had draw over them and changed one or two things.
The line matches too much, and just replicating the image won't get you same lines like that.
Just try it yourself. Take a drawing of simple shape, try to redraw it with just eyeballing it, most of the time it won't match the original lines.
In This case, the lines align too much.
Im sure there are people that can hand draw almost exactly like another.
particularly people who draw for a living like in the case we have here. comparing some randoms attempted scribbles to a professionals ability to draw is a bit silly, its entirely different scales. we would need an animators opinion
that said, i would have to assume its not that hard to replicate a hand drawn image to a reasonable degree. if it werent, cartoons would be impossible to make, they need 24 images of the characters per second, with incredibly small amounts of change per frame
You mean differences like a tilted head, different hand position, relative sizes, another character ....like what we see here?
Emulate an art style is one thing, but drawing the exact same pose is barely impossible, there will always be some differences.
you obviously seem to have some practical experience. when you have that is easy to kow when an image is just copied, inspired or traced like the above ones.
These do not look Traced to me this looks like a case of people wanting it to be true more than it is. in all the images the NGNL ones are vastly different arms and limbs missing or totally different positions head tilts etc.. they also appear to be In general far more elaborate which to me suggests if anything they were based on his work. and not the other way around.
TRACE ON
Popularity breeds negativity...
amongst hipsters.
haha, seems just like shiro said "There's no rule saying an imitation can't beat the original." I think no game no life has proven the case.
I hope you know Shiro isn't the first person to say that...
More like Shirou
haha, seems just like shiro said "There's no rule saying an imitation can't beat the original." IS A FUKKIN LIE NO GAME NO LIFE MOESHIT TRASH SUXXORZ
Fixed that for you.
Who gave you permission to leave your bridge?
This is what artists do , we take inspiration from works we like and incorporate pieces that work. Even if it was a trace which as far as I can see from looking at this its not, its maybe 10% of the original concept which is well within the right of the law. Secondly it was reference not a reproduction so find me an artist that doesnt do that, goodluck. Enough said
speak for yourself. i may use a pose, but i'd never trace it. doing that isn't going to help me learn anything but to be dependent on other people's art skills.
> This is what artists do
No. You are a copying machine. Real artists have creativity.
> No. You are a copying machine. Real artists have creativity.
lol! and where does creativity come from? Inspiration. where does inspiration come from? Other peoples art/architectures/music etc... and where does that come from? It comes from inspiration of OTHER peoples works as well.... its a cycle... no one has spontaneous creativity... try finding creativity from a man who's been isolated in a sound proof room...
good luck mate.
You people should double check the creation dates of the pictures before we start crying about tracing.
Seconded
The end result is different to the point that the question becomes: are poses be protected by copyright?
Probably, if they are a major factor in you're artwork.
The first picture has only a girl being in a very unique pose. He copied the whole pose & only changed colours, hair & stuff.
I would argue now that this very unique pose makes at least 50% of the picture. He didn't copy the whole picture but at least 50%. It's defiantly a copyright infringement.
geez, is not the pose, look out what it means traced, and what it means copy, and you will find those are 2 totally different things, heck if you at least had entered an art class you would know many students copy a same subject whether a model or an apple, yet all depictions look different from artists to artist.
Three points:
1. Dates on the images doesn't prove that's when it was drawn. I saw Kamiya's art way before the dates written on there. So, who's the one tracing? Maybe 50-50?
2. Kamiya definitely halted some of his mangas, possibly due to lack of "inspirations".
3. Not too many are copyrighted, so I doubt legal actions are necessary.
Plagiarism and copyright are completely different. It's his reputation and career at risk.
do not think it will hurt his career too much when 9 out 10 times his picture is better than original.
also blame the people who give him a short deadline...
as far as I know Kamiya Yuu is only doing NGNL full time that he's both the author and illustrator, NGNL manga was drawn by his wife, Earth and Greed Packet Infinity were his only full time mangas both of which I think were done way way back no scans though though do correct me if I'm wrong
and I still think he's better at writing honestly well his art is indeed striking when the circle was still known as Pixel Phantom
> when 9 out 10 times his picture is better than original.
Proof positive you have no taste.
while the last might be rue, this people are in the loop, and should be able to hire assistants to turn in work, so no excuse there.
"Traced"
Cuz, of course human body have an unlimited number of poses it can take.
Cuz, every artist out there know what every other artist have already drawn so to not do anything similar.
Stupid.
it's not that, you are to tally of track in your comment and have no idea what it means traced. look it up and you will find "traced" is no synonym to "copied"
i didnt realize that copying a pose was illegal. might aswell sue thousands of other artists incl. andy warhol.
it's not copying the pose, it's taking the image, and drawing over it on a new sheet of paper, or this case photoshop. but you don't do the work, you just re arrange some details, but the work was done by some one else. if he had copied the image I am sure it would have turned out a bit different, and thus would not be object of debate.
For any random drawn pic like these, you can probably find 2 or 3 (or more) other drawings that look exactly the same and almost perfectly match over the top of each other when doing an overlay comparison.
Go ahead and find them, then.
I won't hold my breath.
Those in this article, for example.
Similar poses, that's all. As previously mentioned it's likely reference material. I can see not all the lines match up perfectly which means 2 things. First, the lines were not traced but just used a reference if not just coincidence. Secondly, and nobody mentioned this, photoshop overlays don't match up perfectly and were likely sized, moved, etc., to match the so called evidence.
Given the high level of talent and detail, the artist has no need to blatantly copy anything. Considering how much material is out there similarities are going to show up all the time for just about anything if you look hard enough.
He clearly didn't trace Izunas delicious flat chest.
A lot of this is merely for character posing references. I don't see a problem with this.
The only thing in common is only the pose, the characters and clothes are still drawn by the artist himself. I see nothing wrong with this.
And that is the problem
In case you don't know it, the clothes are really easy to meke if you already have the body