No Game No Life’s Yuu Kamiya “Blatantly Traced”
- Categories: Manga, News
- Date: Oct 9, 2014 01:51 JST
- Tags: Artists, Comparison, Copyright, Image Gallery, noGamenoLife, Plagiarism
Fabled No Game no Life artist Yuu Kamiya is the latest high profile figure to face some fairly convincing accusations of tracing the work of random illustrators plucked from the bowels of the Internet – which has sadly enough been proven to be a rather commonplace act despite the risks.
The allegations surface by way of Twitter, and come with some fairly numerous comparison images:
So far there is no impact on the artist, his publisher or the franchise itself, but this may yet soon change it seems.
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F#@K, what's gonna happen to the second season?!?!
It will die a mercilful death from shame.
yay
so that means hes gonna be sued for copyright infringement?
there's no grounds, as what he did was perfectly legal and a technique taught by just about every illustration school.
I've never heard of any illustration school that says "get a light table and trace other folks stuff"
no wander
Well the art schools you mention must be really lousy to teach how to cheat instead of teaching how to do things. and yes i guess is perfectly legal until you get caught and either get sued by original creators or fired for posing as something you are not. so be very happy your schools are teaching you well.
wrong area
Plagiarism and copyright are completely different.
He won't get sued. He'll just get fired and never be able to find a job in the industry again.
i didnt realize that copying a pose was illegal. might aswell sue thousands of other artists incl. andy warhol.
it's not copying the pose, it's taking the image, and drawing over it on a new sheet of paper, or this case photoshop. but you don't do the work, you just re arrange some details, but the work was done by some one else. if he had copied the image I am sure it would have turned out a bit different, and thus would not be object of debate.
Steal copyrighted characters to create art - ok
Someone makes money on their art - PLAGIARISM !
Doujinshi's is in the grey zone, and the argument is still they only borrowed the designs and did the whole book themselves.
Do you even understand the word plagiarism?
I really only see the pose being copied. Model agencies would be suing the shit out each other just because their twig models are striking similar poses.
But for some that's copyright infringement.
The art that was 'stolen/traced' was the early art. The newer stuff all seem to be original art.
I think that is called taking references.
Copy? Nope.
Using other peoples work its called copying you retard.
some would call it inspiration. you dumb fuck. kill yourself before you breed more stupidity in the world. oh and your mother because she gave birth to a retard and raised a piece of shit such as yourself.
rekt.
umad?
look up comic illustration techniques you retard.
Does the technique and inspiration include tracing over someone else's drawing and following the lines exactly?
OP here, just curious since I noticed the big factor here is the fact the artist traced. Are all these pictures 1:1 scale? I got a feeling some of these were re-sized and then compared. I know nothing about the process of rough draft to final product so don't get too crazy pleaserino.
Reference is taking a photo yourself or finding a copyright free one and use it for the base of your art.
Using an artwork of someone else is pure plagiarism.
For those saying it's not plagiarism since he added a lot of details, just think about an academic work, you simply can NOT use part of someone else ideas and don't mention the original author.
I think the problem here is that it probably is plagiarism but not exactly tracing.
You know that most people draw by sketching out basic shapes and lines? Then they add detail on top.
It looks like this guy traced the basic form. It's still tracing to some degree.
Using it for reference is one thing, we would all do that since we see things. Tracing is crossing the line IMO, and it pains me to say that they really do look traced, they're just too close.
they're 'close' because that's how proportions works... if they're not 'close' then their arms/head are too big, too small, etc.
he's also a very skilled artist and can replicate the lines precisely from just looking at it. i highly doubt he took out a piece of tracing paper, a light box and went to work. it's inefficient and cumbersome.
inb4 people tell me if he's so skilled why cant he do it without poses. well smart ass, because your expertise may be in colouring, story writing, background, etc.. being a master in anatomy/proportions/poses is a realm of its own and comes from years of practice. that's why most artists use the aid of references.
So he needs to trace/copy/steal poses from real artists because he sucks at it. Sounds about right.
Some aspects 'look' traced at first glance. However if you really compare all the fine details, you'll see many, many differences: foot shape, hand placement, finger positioning, limb thickness, shading angle, etc. And that doesn't even get into the clothing, which is vastly more elaborate on -all- of Kamiya's works than the alleged originals.
And there's several of those that, if I were obsessive enough to peruse millions of images, I'm sure I could find other characters with exactly the same poses, or at least close enough that I could do that resize/overlay on particular bodyparts and make it look like that was the case.
And I'm sure fanboys will find all ways and means to justify blatant copying.
Some of them do look traced and some are pushing it though
Fanboy detected.
False. Models don't copy each other's poses. They copy each other's appereance completely, gestures and poses included.
They're not even tracing, they're cloning.
I guess even illustrating something simple is dangerous nowadays...
Did you not look at how similar the drawings were? There is no way to get such similar art without deliberate copying. When one was superimposed on the other, they lined up almost perfectly.
Drawing something simple is dangerous nowadays, if you draw it by taking someone else's art, placing it under a blank sheet of paper, tracing it, and releasing it as an original piece.
"There is no way to get such similar art without deliberate copying."
Says you.
"When one was superimposed on the other, they lined up almost perfectly."
Coincidence.
coincidence my ass, there's no way you would get a perfect match on every single line by coincidence :|
it would be like having every single word identical to another book on whole paragraphs in another book, some things just can not possibly be coincidences
Analogies are not a good way to help yuor case, given how they're often fallacious.
For example, I could say the Earth is like a sphere. But that would be incorrect, since it's actually a geoid.
Do you not know what a body poses are? body models, the ideal women/man proportions? Ofcourse they are going to look similar as hell! Dont we all? Everysingle one of us can do these poses just fine Irl, and yet no one yells copyright when someone else copies "their pose". If it was copying then they would have the same clothing aswell. It is called "taking references" not "copying". Even in a basic art class you learn to take references. Learn to art.
like anyone gives a shit
a lot of shitty wannabe artists do. they never understood the concept of 'fake it till you make it'. that's why they got the time to play detective.
Copyright does.
That's not against copyright law, comic artists and art schools teach that technique all the time, as it IS a technique. DC does it, Marvel does it, everyone does. You can take an image of Superman flying, and trace over it and change it to Ironman, as long as it's changed and isn't Superman again, then it's not illegal. Then there's also switching the media in which it's used.
With that amount of pictures floating out there, draw anything, and it'll be similar to something, especially if you're using a good looking pose that everyone else also want to use.
If you're popular enough, no lifers will find something. Just ignore them.
>like anyone gives a shit
His fanboys semm to. They're crawling all over this comments section.
The only thing in common is only the pose, the characters and clothes are still drawn by the artist himself. I see nothing wrong with this.
And that is the problem
In case you don't know it, the clothes are really easy to meke if you already have the body
Least he had the good taste to copy Kantoku.
Calling BS on this.
"Look! If you completely disassemble the pics, and re-arrange, a few tiny things ALMOST match up! Two human bodies in almost the same typical sexy pose!!!"
Whatever.
> "Look! If you completely disassemble the pics, and re-arrange, a few tiny things ALMOST match up! Two human bodies in almost the same typical sexy pose!!!"
Yes, we already know that photoshop can achieve miracles. So whats your point.
Yo dawg....