Japan has just criminalised the possession of child pornography, though this time around lawmakers declined to destroy the anime and manga industry by banning their works as well, instead settling only for material featuring real people.
The newly passed law attaches a jail term of not more than 1 year and a fine not exceeding 1 million yen to the newly criminalised offence of the “simple possession” of “indecent images” of minors under the age of 18
Citing fears about something called “freedom of expression,” the new law excludes drawn, animated or computer generated imagery from its scope (although in practice police can apparently arrest anyone involved in creating “indecent” 2D adult material whenever they feel like it anyway).
Once the law comes into effect, a year-long grace period of non-enforcement to allow lolicon to dispose of the offending elements of their collections is expected.
Japan’s fairly rigorously enforced and significantly stricter laws against the production and distribution of child pornography remain unchanged.
Aside from the obvious fears about what Japan’s police could get up to with yet another law to selectively enforce to their own ends, most opposition to the law focused on the potential devastation it could wreak on the nation’s anime, manga and game industries.
The obvious desire of the law’s more enthusiastic promoters to get all suspect 2D material banned under the rubric of being “virtual child abuse” or worse and the demand for “research” into the necessity of its censorship which found its way into the actual draft of the law seem to have been struck down as part of the horse-trading necessary to get the bill passed.
Endless moaning about the 2D exemption from the friendly champions of liberty in the land of the free seems likely to continue until the next US government debacle demands fresh distractions – although given how long it took even their LDP pawns to get round to banning simple possession there does not seem to be much danger of further immediate action, least of all with Abe desperate to keep his creative industries onside to participate in the “Cool Japan” program.
The question of where Japan’s various levels of idols – most of whom are at some point involved in various levels of gravure photography even as minors, be they “junior,” “national” or otherwise – stand with respect to the law has also yet to be addressed, though the complete official silence about the matter presumably means the law is far more likely to be used for prosecuting parents whose family albums contain underage nudity than idols whose provocative posing crosses some imaginary line.
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Phew, good thing that idol videos of 6 year olds in thongs are not indecent in Japan!
No genitals visible means that it technically isn't porn. YAY!
It is only porn if sexual acts are commited.
Nude means it is only erotica, but not porn.
Yeah seriously, before they go after anime, they should look at the fact theirs an Junior idol industry that's basically sexualising underaged kids, with their DVDs and Photobooks, this stuff would be illegal in most countries, no one would even buy that crap.
seems not much different from us kid beauty pageants when you think about it, though
So you think its normal for photobooks of little kids in swimsuits etc and DVDs to be sold? Who would want that?
Lol it's not like they'll get married anyway, It's still pretty bad though.
So you think its normal for photobooks of little kids in swimsuits etc and DVDs to be sold? Who would want that?
No one of course, that is why we have Youtube videos and on 720p-1080p.
Point being, the law makers should be targeting the Junior idol industry and not anime/manga. The real children should take priority over some drawings.
@03:23 who said anything about it being normal? i just compared it to beauty pageants. its basically the same shit to me.
who would want that? apparently alot of japanese and also non-japanese (who would not admit it because of they would end up in jail.)
@03:08
You ever see a jr idol dvd? It's completely different from kiddie beauty pageants. In jr idol dvds they get these firls to wear semi-transparent bakinis & film in inappropriate angles.
@07:36 hit the nail on the head.
I'm perfectly fine with legal age idols, good luck and god speed to each and every Japanese woman who wants to make it big in the country but the Junior idol stuff is disgusting.
@0800 Kiddie paegents are also disgusting in your logic. People only say they are *legal* just to justify their fetishes.
If you read the article, it specifies that the Law that they passed is not gonna have any effect on Anime/Manga Industries....it's only affecting the Jr. Idol industries, and of course Hentai. But for Regular Anime/Manga, it has no effect.
If no one bought it, there wouldn't be a market for it.
And no, all us bloody foreigners should kindly fuck off and let Japan be Japan.
Uh, no.
Children can't protect themselves, so they need adult protection. And, if adults are the ones exploiting children, then there is something seriously wrong with the world.
Whether it's America, Japan, any country in Europe, China, or Mars, the people who are exploiting children should be locked away, to never see the light of day again. It's that simple.
Now, I don't really have anything to say about underage anime or manga porn. Obviously, no real children were hurt in the making of such materials, unless someone wants to somehow try and link that this kind of stuff to preparing pedophiles to actually commit crimes. I certainly wont.
I agree the underage idol industry in Japan is exploitative and should be made illegal, but your idea that anyone guilty of such exploitation should get the life sentence and not even be allowed to see sunlight is draconic and inhumane.
Well, I'd agree in some cases, but my point is that in general you appear to be a dangerous fanatic ready to apply maximum punishment with no discrimination.
why not as someone like saaya irie what she thinks about the whole thing and in what ways her life was effected...? whatever her honest answer is, that's what i think what i would accept about the junior idol industry
I know right worry about real life lolis not fake
Considering how many country have women as whore and slaves because their religion says so, Japan is mild and going in the wrong direction.
Even, when you're lucky enough you'll see a glimpse of labia majora exposed. Talking about crazy shit about RL.
2D is always better.
I still want to know who the hell is stupid enough to come up with "virtual child abuse" and think that that will convince anyone of their overall sanity.
feminists and elders, they are the ones sick in the head .At least elders have a valid reason being old.
Yes, Feminism is about putting men in service of (feminist) women so of course they complain about 2D.
elders? better not let master roshi know you said that...
not everyone is like the grampas from ranma or dragonball, and those like ishihara ban anime /manga cause they cut his books(loli rape) market.
c'mon lets not unnecessarily exagerate here.... the closest theyve ever come to that is gravure videos of 11 year old girls in modest swimwear (like saaya irie)... and thats along way off from what you said (unless you want to count that "gravure" of the 4 year old shota that sankaku reported years ago, lol, thats closer age wise at least)
it shoudnt even cross anyone's mind that junior idol videos like that are sexual in nature... i cant even except the posibility... funny and adorable maybe but thats all
personally i hate 3d (as in real)children, can barely not have the 2d ones!!
Funny that train of thought. Sexualize children, dress them up in age inappropriate clothes, pound them in makeup, make them pose, just akin to models that are designed to appeal in a sexual manner and then say "oh, but it's just to be cute!"
No wonder girls start to get pregnant earlier and earlier in their lives.
Actually Japan has the lowest teen birth rate in the industrialized world, and teenage pregnancies continue to decrease there. Proably not in any way related to the whole idol video thing though.
can i have some source of the "young jp idols"?
strictly for research purposes ;)
Sankakucomplex users are stupid bronies looking for gay child pornography and they can suck my proverbial dick
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@anon-00:34 20/06/2014
you're givin them THE CHANCE!!!
you dumb fuck!!!
i think you're confusing them with members of the clergy
I'm a brony, and I find that so wrong in so many account. I only fap to 2D horses! :D
@anonbrony-15:17 20/06/2014
stop givin them THE CHANCE!!!
you horse fucker!!!
So wait... Having media of children getting raped, having sex, posing nude and or in a sexual context is getting punished more now in Japan?
So it wasnt criminal to have that before, kinda like here with marijuana?
Well THAT SUCKS!
well most of cp is webcam videos of masturbating little atentionwhores .. so no rape here
you would know, right?
@01:17 ive seen some documentaries about that phenomenon and i really believe that in most cases the problem is that girls start using webcams and chats innocently and quite ignorantly without any reasonable idea of what to expect from most "friends" they will be making that way... like that they will turn out to be wily assholes that will trick and coerce them into exposing themselves through methods like pretending to be their boyfriends and blackmail. girls who end up becoming those "attention whores" who expose themselves were just imressionable and easy to manipulate enough to fuck up their priorities for others and then regret it once they realize what's happened to them... some of these girls have even been driven to suicide
There are articles detailing about how school kids (male and female) often use cell phones to send each other porn of themselves.
Technology gets better, humans get stupider.
No more young females in AV who look like schoolgirls.
Production of child pornography (that is, stuff with actual children) has long been banned in Japan. Posession of the material however was quietly allowed in the same way Russian law handles it. The new law is an attempt to attack the posession of child pornography as well.
The main issue has always been the inclusion or exclusion of virtuals, that is loli, shota and other form of material that features underage-looking characters. The key point here being virtual.
The newest law has made a point to exclude virtuals, which is something most people who are reasonable and sane should be able to agree with - if it's virtual, no real people get hurt and more importantly it frees police and investigation forces to focus on cases of child porn rather than trying to bust people for posession of i.e. manga.
Naturally, not everyone agrees on the exclusion. Quite an amount of people are offended at porn in general and even of those are that are fine with it, there are many who think that stuff - even virtual - that features underage-looking characters has bad influences on the psyche. If the material has effects on the psyche, no study has found it yet. The argument is often used against video games as well and falls equally flat when compared with actual evidence.
Overall, the new law is a step in the right direction, it just need to be properly enforced and not overused as an excuse to get rid of people who run afoul of the government or something, though of course that's all too possible. Only time will tell how the development goes from here.
What makes me angery is in almost all western news websides (CNN routers bbc etc) say
"Child pornography banned but not in manga"
They speak of it the same as child pornography look like they really want to brainwash people.
the problem is it isnt a step in the right direction. criminalization of possession of "any" form of pornography leads to more rape. this has been evidenced through denmark, and since a number of other nations that went through a period of pornography being illegal, then legal, then in some cases illegal again. rape rates skyrocket when pornography is criminalized, the moment it is criminalized. they fall drastically the moment it is legalized. with something like child pornography, we of course want to still keep the production and distribution illegal, but petty possession being illegal is objectively harmful. to support the ban on petty possession is quite literally to support the rape of children. it sounds like an extreme, but it surprisingly isnt hyperbole in this case
Agreed, porn addicts are less likely to get out of their houses and rape something. Too busy fapping and working to get more porn.
Hell! They could travel to a poor country and get lots of prostitutes with the same money they spend on porn.
Thailand and Central America comes to mind.
The problem with that child porn, is that a child was still victimized to get it and is traumatized by it years later. That is why it is illegal to own, distribute, and create it. Because an innocent kid was abused to create it.
Only traumatized because it was not done properly. Unfortunately there are no studies, nor will there be any scientific studies as no ethics committee will ever approve of it.
to the people giving reasons as to why the pornography is illegal. what matters more, your justification for why its should be illegal, or preventing future rapes? we know for a fact that 1 choice will cause more children to be raped, and the other will cause less children to be raped. there is no justification for condemning future children to being raped.
as for the "it wasnt a proper study" you cant really "study" these things in the traditional sense of getting some people in a lab, having a control group and such. you simply observe statistics. when the same trend is observed in a number of places, and is found to have strong predictive power, it is useful knowledge. thats really the best we can get with any "this social change causes x effect". it of course doesnt mean anything if it only happened in one region, but once it has been able to predict changes in multiple areas, it becomes noteworthy. there are some social changes you can test, like the idea of having strict punishments for light crimes, such as littering and graffiti with the hope it will reduce future serious crimes like theft and murder. this was first observed in the way i mentioned above, then tested by going to a university and putting flyers on peoples bikes and a bike stand. the wall the bike stand was on would either be clean, or it would be covered in graffiti. they then measured how many of each group threw the flyer on the ground rather than putting it in the rubbish or somesuch. the group tested with graffiti were twice as likely to litter, the idea being if you are in an environment with obvious rule breaking, you see the rules as being less worth following. this sort of test is fantastic, and should be done whenever possible, but it isnt always. i would most certainly argue that after observing "a" phenomena in range of regions, it gains legitimacy
I wouldn't say for everyone. Since child porn has been harder to find on the net since MS chat servers went down, I knew a few people who would make the trip to Thailand every few months to sponsor a family there.
Pretty much it is letting you fuck their 7 to 16 year old kids if you pay monthly to help support their family.
I doubt this one guy would of even leave his house if child porn was free and easily accessible
You really should know that there wasn't a clear CP law before because of the socially accepted under-aged prostitution.
You know. Where the wealthy, decadent pigs throw a huge stack of money at those promiscuous vixxens and there panties come off at light-speed?
Now obviously, they had to do something after the bad rep that Japan got. FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS. Japan got that because of the generally harmless hentai-industry. Because of games and manga with fictional, drawn characters.
Of course, the masses would pick on that subject because it is an easy victim. You can easily condemn fiction but try the same with reality, especially when money is involved.