You are proceeding to a page containing mature content. Is this OK?

check Yes, show me everything
close No, hide anything sensitive

Japan Loli Ban Passes: “2D Is Safe, For Now…”

beako-no-kachi

Japan has just criminalised the possession of child pornography, though this time around lawmakers declined to destroy the anime and manga industry by banning their works as well, instead settling only for material featuring real people.

The newly passed law attaches a jail term of not more than 1 year and a fine not exceeding 1 million yen to the newly criminalised offence of the “simple possession” of “indecent images” of minors under the age of 18

Citing fears about something called “freedom of expression,” the new law excludes drawn, animated or computer generated imagery from its scope (although in practice police can apparently arrest anyone involved in creating “indecent” 2D adult material whenever they feel like it anyway).

Once the law comes into effect, a year-long grace period of non-enforcement to allow lolicon to dispose of the offending elements of their collections is expected.

Japan’s fairly rigorously enforced and significantly stricter laws against the production and distribution of child pornography remain unchanged.

Aside from the obvious fears about what Japan’s police could get up to with yet another law to selectively enforce to their own ends, most opposition to the law focused on the potential devastation it could wreak on the nation’s anime, manga and game industries.

The obvious desire of the law’s more enthusiastic promoters to get all suspect 2D material banned under the rubric of being “virtual child abuseor worse and the demand for “research” into the necessity of its censorship which found its way into the actual draft of the law seem to have been struck down as part of the horse-trading necessary to get the bill passed.

Endless moaning about the 2D exemption from the friendly champions of liberty in the land of the free seems likely to continue until the next US government debacle demands fresh distractions – although given how long it took even their LDP pawns to get round to banning simple possession there does not seem to be much danger of further immediate action, least of all with Abe desperate to keep his creative industries onside to participate in the “Cool Japan” program.

The question of where Japan’s various levels of idols – most of whom are at some point involved in various levels of gravure photography even as minors, be they “junior,” “national” or otherwise – stand with respect to the law has also yet to be addressed, though the complete official silence about the matter presumably means the law is far more likely to be used for prosecuting parents whose family albums contain underage nudity than idols whose provocative posing crosses some imaginary line.

Leave a Comment

177 Comments

  • Lets tackle the video cnn posted and the article:

    Welfare advocates say the material is being used to groom children:

    Well you can do this with anykind of porn so why is suddenly lolicon and shotacon not okay but other adult porn is,adult porn has the same effect they can groom exactly the same with adult porn,those are only the hurt feelings again that want to get rid of lolicon and shotacon and still they are pulling that thing out of their ass is it used in masses then i will worry because you don’t really hear that this material was used for grooming much on the internet,actually haven’t read any news about it.

    So yeah video what is the deal with it i mean you have this guy who stabbed a girl several times and had lots of cp.What i say about this is fail he stabbed her not raped her cp can make you rape but depends on the person and they are connecting it to cp also the guy is a sociopath or how you call them.And the foolish censoring stuff that even doesn’t need to be censored on there they only make it look worse with censoring the manga for their news article how about they show it normal and then let the people decide if how it looks.
    Remember it needs to be several people not a couple of maniacs who do something wrong and then blame it on the fictional material for escape their guilt to make us worried about lolicon and shotacon causing rape.
    Also i have this news:
    Cartoons and drawings depicting paedophilia do not encourage people to commit child sex offences in real life, a report by experts who treat sexual problems concludes.
    http://cphpost.dk/news/report-cartoon-paedophilia-harmless.2255.html
    Oh yeah one thing people keep forgeting all japan porn is still censored so what is the ruckus about it anyway?

    Also:
    “She told CNN she once worked on a case where a predator used a cartoon to convince a child that sex abuse was normal. “So the pedophiles might bring the animation and say ‘this is how you practice with adults,'” she said.
    She only said once see and even then there are no source news to her statement huh.

  • Anonymous says:

    Transfer the rights to use the material exeo anime and manga to other countries and make their productions there, better, better without putting stripe guarantee that countries will receive and the people will love

  • Anonymous says:

    This law is about pretending there aren’t human born with a sexual interest of humans below 12. Rationally that makes no sense because there should be due to natural selection in nature, which is why this law is simply wrong. Japan could need some better politicans because the number of so called pedos arent going to change due to the law.

    • Anonymous says:

      Those people do exist, but also we don’t know why some people are that way. Some I think are born this way, others maybe due to some change in their brain.

      It is also true that there are those who sexually attracted to those are U-12 but don’t act on their urges. Sadly it is also true that there are those who do act on their urges. Pedo’s won’t change due to the law I agree, but for those who do act on their urges need mental help not jail cells.

      I will take myself for example. I love teenage girls like 13-17, even some 12 years ago which I know is pre-teen but still. If I could (no risk of punishment) that is all who I would want to fuck. Sadly I can’t do that due to laws saying it is illegal but I accept that.

      If anything I wish Japan would get rid of their censorship laws in regards to genitalia.

      • Anonymous says:

        The censorship laws are AMERICAN/UN, not Japanese. US pressured Japan into those stupid censorship laws.(like EVERYTHING ELSE) You’re complaining about shit YOU’RE(as in US gov’t) responsible for.

  • Anonymous says:

    Even the US Supreme Court agrees that drawn child pornography is a protected 1st amendment “freedom of expression” issue. Still doesn’t protect you from a generic “possession of obscene materials” charge in some states, ironically enough.

    Considering they already banned production and distribution of real CP sounds to me they’re just closing a loophole. Considering how slow something like this came along, I’m not too worried about a slippery slope right now.

  • Anonymous says:

    Freedom of expression, hmm? Does this mean we’re finally seeing some progress which may possibly lead towards the eventual abolishing of their hilariously retarded censorship laws?

  • Anonymous says:

    Gee, just can’t stop taking jabs at the American whenever possible huh? US supreme court had rule that drawings of children are protected under 1st amendment MULTIPLE times. If anything US laws are actually friendlier toward the creative freedoms of anime and mangas than the Japanese laws.

    Why do you think the feminazis rarely try to do the book burning style shits they’ve been doing elsewhere, here in US? Because they always get shot down almost immediately by US constitutions.

    • Anonymous says:

      ░░░▒█ ░█▀▀█ ▒█▀▀█ ░█▀▀█ ▒█▄░▒█  
      ░▄░▒█ ▒█▄▄█ ▒█▄▄█ ▒█▄▄█ ▒█▒█▒█  
      ▒█▄▄█ ▒█░▒█ ▒█░░░ ▒█░▒█ ▒█░░▀█  

      ▀█▀ ▒█▀▀▀█  
      ▒█░ ░▀▀▀▄▄  
      ▄█▄ ▒█▄▄▄█  

      ░░░▒█ ░█▀▀█ ▒█▀▀█ ░█▀▀█ ▒█▄░▒█
      ░▄░▒█ ▒█▄▄█ ▒█▄▄█ ▒█▄▄█ ▒█▒█▒█
      ▒█▄▄█ ▒█░▒█ ▒█░░░ ▒█░▒█ ▒█░░▀█

      and nothing else

  • Anonymous says:

    Long Story short:

    You can have child pornography so long as it’s a drawing or 3D Computer Image (that just happens to resemble the real thing)…. Perfectly acceptable… especially considering how realistic 3D has been getting.

  • Anonymous says:

    In many western first world countries possession and consumption of drugs is still punished more harshly than pedophilia or rape in general. So yeah, the west has no fucking business telling other countries about their laws as is.

    • Anonymous says:

      This is just targeting the real thing, this law will not harm anime/manga/hentai/visual novels/light novels/doujinshi/ero-doujinshi but it’s obvious the only reason they agreed to leave fictional items out is because japan is hurting financially and they can’t afford to lose spenders so for now we otaku get to keep our naked nadeko/mikan/insert loli.

    • Anonymous says:

      Not necessarily. Nudity doesn’t tend to automatically list as ‘indecent’, it can be sorted into several categories: art, candid, erotic, pornographic, etc. What gets labeled as “indecent” and who gets to label it becomes a very gray(and dangerous) area. For example there are several picture books of underage nudists in the USA that are not considered child pron.

  • Anonymous says:

    This wouldnt even be a problem to begin with if everyone would just find actual women attractive instead of little girls. Most anime fans i come across want to make a teenage character their wifu. If it as the exception to the rule i’d understand but the way things are i have to believe that anime has a hand in giving people a fetish for child-like characteristics. I’m just lucky that despite growing up watching anime, when I hit puberty I was exposed to fighting game babes and that that most 90s anime weren’t about sexualized little girls. even teenagers in anime like sailormoon looked like women and not 10 year olds

    • Anonymous says:

      “This wouldnt even be a problem to begin with if everyone would just find actual women attractive instead of little girls.”

      Lucky you, having such an easy time with that. Lolicon (the 2D kind) was basically all that stopped me from searching out real CP back when I was young and didn’t know better. Never been sexually attracted to adult women, and doubt I ever will be.

      Gotta wonder what the incidence of pedosexuality would be if it weren’t such a social taboo to even think about it.

      • Anonymous says:

        damn… that has to be the biggest joke ever played by nature on other human beings ever… it’s like being gay except that one party in the partnership can never truly consent and that legakizing it would be like a war crime… i dont know what id do if i were you… maybe try to find a cure for myself or become a monk

        • Anonymous says:

          Comment by @Vis
          23:35 22/04/2014
          “Bronies are all just pedophilias that also want to fuck horses or they are just gay”. Either way bronies are the cancer of the internet”.

          i remember this asshole saying some shit about bronys and gays

    • Anonymous says:

      Teenagers are not little girls, everyone is basically an adult physically when they have gone through puberty, it’s why women tended to be married off in their teens for centuries. Child Pron laws and enforcement really need to focus on prepubescent and younger images.

      • Anonymous says:

        Teenagers are stilll inexperianced, immature, boring, naive, little girls in my book. Not everyone considers teenagers to be adults already just because of puberty… and you cant even generalize all teenagers to be pubescent to begin with because all teenagers don’t hit puberty at the same time… many begin late, let alone reach sexual maturity. Even if they do get an early growth spurt it’s wrong to assume that a girl is interested in sex just because her chest is bigger than anyone else’s in her class. But ofcourse anime takes all this and fucks it up by basically creating a teenage-adult hybrid world where 14 year olds have the mental capacity to become elite assassins or rule kingdoms and have always reach sexual maturity by the age of 12, with or without any changes to their bodies.

    • Anonymous says:

      Except 2D > 3D, and anime lolies has nothing in common with real child’s, including art style itself – you don’t see much children in anime drawn close to reality apart some “serious” movie with “real” art.
      And then there’s minor fact about artistic freedom, when 15-18 highschool girl can be drawn as loli (Lucky Star, for example), or 12-15 middle school girl can be drawn as sex bomb for shit and gigles (Cyclops Shoujo). Not to mention all those middle age wifes and 1000 year old dragons/vampires.

    • Anonymous says:

      I’m sorry men don’t find flabby mid 20s to earily 30s attractive. I don’t think you realize that most of the worlds age of consent is under 18 and usually between 14 to 16. Why? Because that’s when puberty ends for women and when they are in peak health. Hebephilia, the attraction of teenagers, is not listed as a DSM since attraction to teenagers is based on evolution and was normal until flabby women pushed for an age of consent based on males age of consent which is 2 years later.

      • Anonymous says:

        @03:40 -14 to 16 year old girls are at thier sexual peaks? Flabby 20 year old women control our laws? lol. Please don’t use deranged lies and misinformation to support your warped views. And please keep far away from schools.

      • Anonymous says:

        im a mid 20s man who has always found mid 20s to early 30s (or even older) attractive. and you are defending ideas that are counterproductive towards the betterment of society. look, im capable of finding 16 year olds attractive too, although i never prefer them but they are clearly capable of appearing womanly (depending on development) but that’s an exception, not a rule, like it is being done so pervasively in anime these days (and on top of that, most 16 year old anime girls come off as 13 or younger these days… ephebophilia? yeah right).

        its natural that some teenagers would appear more developed than others and even seem like adults, but to actually prefer girls under 18, is counterproductive to society. i believe that the best reason for there to be laws (although proper education would help much better) that restrict sex to an older age are in place to encourage youth to focus on working towards becoming intelligent and capable adults before they decide on doing something that could suddenly throw them into starting their own family. sexual relationships get in the way of that enough as it is, especially if they have to deal with pregnancy. i dont want our society to have any more idiotic accidental parents having kids. besides, this is only talking about teens with other teens… no one in their wildest dreams should even consider that a girl under 18 would want older men to see them sexually

    • Anonymous says:

      You do realize that this ban applies to porn of real, actual children, and not 2D depictions, right? If you’re against the exploitation of real-live children, then I don’t know what to say to you.

      • Anonymous says:

        Personally, I think criminalizing simple possession is the wrong way to go about it. All it does it make it much easier to frame someone for a crime they may no have committed. For example, in the US if someone sends you such material through the mail you can be arrested, even if you never requested it. People have also been prosecuted for pictures that wound up on their computers while simply browsing through websites where someone posted it. Heck, I bet the only reason we didn’t hear about a lot of people being arrested for linking to that video that was on Facebook is simply because a lot of people learned of it.

        • Anonymous says:

          Also, and FBI agent was on the record saying that if you accidentally saw it online to report yourself to the FBI and that when you do they can’t guarantee you won’t get prosecuted >_>

        • Anonymous says:

          It would only be bull if it didn’t already happen. The internet cache one has already happened and the guy was prosecuted, but he managed to get off since he convinced the judge that he had no idea what was in his cache, how to change it, and that it even existed. There have also been several cases where women put CP on their ex’s computers and alerted police about it to have them arrested.

          I’ll say it again, it’s only scaremongering if it hasn’t already happened.

        • Anonymous says:

          @08:42

          That’s bull and scare mongering. The police would have to actively prove you requested the material be sent to you before bringing it before a judge, if you can prove your innocence in that regard, you’re home free.

          Also the police wouldn’t arrest you for what’s in your internet cache, they can get the data from your ISP and look deeper, if you or anyone is fked by the police over this, you likely deserve it.

      • Anonymous says:

        That is inaccurate. However, reading the news stories about the law they are still considering pursuing bans against both lolicon and shota:

        “But Nakasatomi said the global trend was to ban drawings or so-called two-dimensional porn in addition to other forms.

        It is “wrong to assume there are no victims” in pedophilic manga and anime since repeated exposure may encourage consumers to act out their fantasies, he said.”

        • Anonymous says:

          I don’t think you even have to take it out of the realm of other sexual fetishes to disprove that thought process. Especially since the internet has made every possible fetish widely and wildly available. There are a lot of BBC, group sex, gang bang, multiple creampie, college orgy, and every other imaginable videos out there, and those activities are not becoming more common outside of porn at a super high rate.

          2 girls, 1 cup has not inspired a lot of people to take up a puke swapping fetish. Fantasy is fantasy for the vast majority of human beings.

  • Anonymous says:

    i have nothing against loli but i do wish there was some kind of controll over lolis being sexualized, especially in non-hentai anime. its like you cant even watch an anime anymore without at least one character creepiyand clearl pandering to pedos. if not a ban then at least some way of reducing it or marginalize it into its own corner

  • Anonymous says:

    All for child porn laws. But when you move into anime/manga you have to consider that at least a 10th of the anime industry would be gone. God knows what would happen to monogatari.

    • Anonymous says:

      Considering manga and doujinshi industry nowadays more than 2/3 will be hit causa most of them dont have 18+ only characters and everything thas has a 17- is going to get banned.

  • Anonymous says:

    So wait… Having media of children getting raped, having sex, posing nude and or in a sexual context is getting punished more now in Japan?

    So it wasnt criminal to have that before, kinda like here with marijuana?

    Well THAT SUCKS!

    • Anonymous says:

      You really should know that there wasn’t a clear CP law before because of the socially accepted under-aged prostitution.

      You know. Where the wealthy, decadent pigs throw a huge stack of money at those promiscuous vixxens and there panties come off at light-speed?

      Now obviously, they had to do something after the bad rep that Japan got. FOR ALL THE WRONG REASONS. Japan got that because of the generally harmless hentai-industry. Because of games and manga with fictional, drawn characters.

      Of course, the masses would pick on that subject because it is an easy victim. You can easily condemn fiction but try the same with reality, especially when money is involved.

    • Anonymous says:

      Production of child pornography (that is, stuff with actual children) has long been banned in Japan. Posession of the material however was quietly allowed in the same way Russian law handles it. The new law is an attempt to attack the posession of child pornography as well.

      The main issue has always been the inclusion or exclusion of virtuals, that is loli, shota and other form of material that features underage-looking characters. The key point here being virtual.

      The newest law has made a point to exclude virtuals, which is something most people who are reasonable and sane should be able to agree with – if it’s virtual, no real people get hurt and more importantly it frees police and investigation forces to focus on cases of child porn rather than trying to bust people for posession of i.e. manga.

      Naturally, not everyone agrees on the exclusion. Quite an amount of people are offended at porn in general and even of those are that are fine with it, there are many who think that stuff – even virtual – that features underage-looking characters has bad influences on the psyche. If the material has effects on the psyche, no study has found it yet. The argument is often used against video games as well and falls equally flat when compared with actual evidence.

      Overall, the new law is a step in the right direction, it just need to be properly enforced and not overused as an excuse to get rid of people who run afoul of the government or something, though of course that’s all too possible. Only time will tell how the development goes from here.

      • Anonymous says:

        the problem is it isnt a step in the right direction. criminalization of possession of “any” form of pornography leads to more rape. this has been evidenced through denmark, and since a number of other nations that went through a period of pornography being illegal, then legal, then in some cases illegal again. rape rates skyrocket when pornography is criminalized, the moment it is criminalized. they fall drastically the moment it is legalized. with something like child pornography, we of course want to still keep the production and distribution illegal, but petty possession being illegal is objectively harmful. to support the ban on petty possession is quite literally to support the rape of children. it sounds like an extreme, but it surprisingly isnt hyperbole in this case

        • Anonymous says:

          I wouldn’t say for everyone. Since child porn has been harder to find on the net since MS chat servers went down, I knew a few people who would make the trip to Thailand every few months to sponsor a family there.

          Pretty much it is letting you fuck their 7 to 16 year old kids if you pay monthly to help support their family.

          I doubt this one guy would of even leave his house if child porn was free and easily accessible

        • Anonymous says:

          to the people giving reasons as to why the pornography is illegal. what matters more, your justification for why its should be illegal, or preventing future rapes? we know for a fact that 1 choice will cause more children to be raped, and the other will cause less children to be raped. there is no justification for condemning future children to being raped.

          as for the “it wasnt a proper study” you cant really “study” these things in the traditional sense of getting some people in a lab, having a control group and such. you simply observe statistics. when the same trend is observed in a number of places, and is found to have strong predictive power, it is useful knowledge. thats really the best we can get with any “this social change causes x effect”. it of course doesnt mean anything if it only happened in one region, but once it has been able to predict changes in multiple areas, it becomes noteworthy. there are some social changes you can test, like the idea of having strict punishments for light crimes, such as littering and graffiti with the hope it will reduce future serious crimes like theft and murder. this was first observed in the way i mentioned above, then tested by going to a university and putting flyers on peoples bikes and a bike stand. the wall the bike stand was on would either be clean, or it would be covered in graffiti. they then measured how many of each group threw the flyer on the ground rather than putting it in the rubbish or somesuch. the group tested with graffiti were twice as likely to litter, the idea being if you are in an environment with obvious rule breaking, you see the rules as being less worth following. this sort of test is fantastic, and should be done whenever possible, but it isnt always. i would most certainly argue that after observing “a” phenomena in range of regions, it gains legitimacy

        • Anonymous says:

          The problem with that child porn, is that a child was still victimized to get it and is traumatized by it years later. That is why it is illegal to own, distribute, and create it. Because an innocent kid was abused to create it.

        • Anonymous says:

          Agreed, porn addicts are less likely to get out of their houses and rape something. Too busy fapping and working to get more porn.

          Hell! They could travel to a poor country and get lots of prostitutes with the same money they spend on porn.

      • What makes me angery is in almost all western news websides (CNN routers bbc etc) say
        “Child pornography banned but not in manga”
        They speak of it the same as child pornography look like they really want to brainwash people.

      • Anonymous says:

        @01:17 ive seen some documentaries about that phenomenon and i really believe that in most cases the problem is that girls start using webcams and chats innocently and quite ignorantly without any reasonable idea of what to expect from most “friends” they will be making that way… like that they will turn out to be wily assholes that will trick and coerce them into exposing themselves through methods like pretending to be their boyfriends and blackmail. girls who end up becoming those “attention whores” who expose themselves were just imressionable and easy to manipulate enough to fuck up their priorities for others and then regret it once they realize what’s happened to them… some of these girls have even been driven to suicide

  • Anonymous says:

    look at all these fuckin creeps in the comments trying to justify their pedophilia. If there has ever been a comments section that more clearly defines the Sankaku userbase, I haven’t seen it.

    • Anonymous says:

      hardly… ive seen MUCH worse comment sections here before. probably the worst one had to do with outright mysogyny, but i do agree that there are SOME sick pedos around here who think that it is possible to even rationalize the existance of cp. but really there is only one truth around here that doesn’t need any proof – the majority of us are pervs. but there’s nothing inherently wrong with that. depends on what their fetish is and how harmful it can be. there is a ton of people here who like 2d sexualized lolis here, of which i am not one of, but the amount of them that actually like real cp is a tiny minority who usually get downvoted.

      • Anonymous says:

        I think you two are probably confusing those that dislike laws that can be used for overreaching purposes to those defending what the law is supposed to be against.

        For example, in the United States after a similar law was enacted some families ended up going to court because of family photos that happened to have nude children in them. In fact, there was a Lifetime movie about one such case. Several of us disagree with this kind of law because it can be abused, much like how obscenity laws or “youth health” laws can be abused.