Tokyo: “Glorifying Incest” = “Not Condemning It”

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Tokyo has clarified its decision to ban Imouto Paradise for “improperly glorifying incest” – revealing that it now uniquely defines “glorification” as “not depicting as bad.”

An Asahi interview with Tokyo’s youth protection department’s chief PR flack reveals the city now considers any manga or anime which so much as fails to condemn incest as hardcore pornography.

The interviewer, having just read the manga, concedes it clearly deals with incest but is at a loss as to how it could be considered to be “improperly glorifying incest”:

What part of the title improperly glorifies it?

It’s the story as a whole. It’s a mistake to think we are just looking at a single part. Simply put, we are looking at how the story depicts incest, how the main characters think of it, and the like.

“Glorifying” in this case is “thinking it is not bad,” isn’t it?

What.

This sort of thing is unacceptable, socially. In terms of societal morals. The committee’s judgment on this manga looked at whether the story showed incest as a bad thing.

Not just this manga, but on TV there are a lot of “imouto-mono” works about, and they don’t think that is good. “What kind of frightening influence might a story like this have on a schoolboy with an imouto?” is what concerns them.

So the committee decided that “glorifying” something is now equivalent to “not depicting it as bad”?

Exactly. “Does the work depict sexual themes in a manner which society approves of” – it’s right there in section 15, clause 2, item 2.

Your pamphlets seem to say simple depictions of incest are not banned, only its “improper glorification” – I would think this meant something like “incest is so much better than regular sex guys!”?

Well, it’s a matter of interpretation. Is that what you think?

I think if you look in a Japanese dictionary you would be surprised to find a definition of “glorify” as “not depict as bad.”

That’s not our judgment then.

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  • Anonymous says:

    So that’s why Ichihara books were never banned, they properly glorify rape, properly glorify abduction, properly glorify human traffic, properly glorify coerced prostitution, properly glorify fascism…

    • Anonymous says:

      Not entirely sure if they even know what’s good for themselves anymore…

      Tell them to put it elsewhere and they’ll put it back into the same thing with twice the vigor.

      A shame the same can’t be said about their relationships with women.
      *dishpan*

      Thank you, goodnight.

  • Anonymous says:

    For a country with such a low birth rate that it’s probably rare that anyone even HAS an imouto, they seem to be pretty concerned about making sure those hypothetical imoutos don’t get any play, and that’s pretending that comic books are somehow going to overcome the overwhelming weight of biology to make someone bang their sister.

    • Common sense doesn’t apply to Japan.

      Only mindless, spineless and uncoditional obedience towards:

      – someone elder
      – someone above

      Usually both at the same time. Thus we have some random retarded or a tiny set of retards – usually very old and completely lost in modern world – doing those nonsenses.

      At least in the rest of the world they are sometimes challenged for the sheer idioticy of their ideas. But in Japan ? …

      • Anonymous says:

        “Only mindless, spineless and uncoditional obedience towards:”

        What a load of BS. Show me a country where laws are not formulated by older people, MPs, congressmen, senators, diet members, etc. Show me a society in the West where CEOs, major shareholders, bosses and the like aren’t older. Older age triumphs all until a point where the middle age people oust the very old.

        “- someone elder
        – someone above”

        Actually people who glorify and support this cartoon pedophilia are aiming for that. Older man, usually some stuck up pedo with a thinly trimmed mustache, ‘educates’ a young girl. If not that then it’s a jungle of older teenagers who are just as stupid and possibly just as vile as the old guy wanting to bone the child.

        “Usually both at the same time. Thus we have some random retarded or a tiny set of retards – usually very old and completely lost in modern world – doing those nonsenses.”

        The modern world is entirely under the control of these old f-ers. They show you which clothes to buy, which music to listen to, which fast food to eat, etc. Modern world is one big marketing gig. And you’re the sucker.

        • What msoltyspl is trying to say is that in the social standards in Japanese is that you are suppose to be quiet and submissive to your those that out rank you. In this case, a older brother ordering a younger sister to do obscene acts, under that pretext.
          That isn’t the case Western cultures, where siblings are seen as equals regardless of age. The brother can’t do anything without being o.k.ed by the parents first; as will as the sister can run to the parents for anything.

    • Anonymous says:

      It’s Japan. You’d be surprised. I hear the real problem is shota / mother interaction, with mothers providing increasing sexual rewards to their own sons for improving school grades.

  • Anonymous says:

    For a serious look at an incest themed manga, may I draw your attention to “Koi Kaze” and a wonderful H-dj sequel of it, “Koini Huku Kaze”. Wonderful story, complete with a realistic view of the consequences of falling in love and having sex with a blood-sibling.

    But to go with the logic these guys are using, Dragon Ball Z or Death Note or any other such manga ought to be banned as well, as they improperly glorify violence/murder/vigilantism/etc.
    How messed up is a society where depictions of sex with love (even if it is sibling love) is illegal yet rape and guro is not?

  • Anonymous says:

    this is just going to make things more complecated in society whenever real, actual consensual incest DOES occur… those rare cases happen under totally understandable circumstances and are completely harmless if not for something stupid like social backlash and disgust

    • Anonymous says:

      Hist <> y

      What history book do YOU know that hasn’t been altered by human beings to teach what that society WANTED you to learn, while hiding information (or adjusting) to fit their benefits?

      Answer:

      There never has been a single history book that hasn’t been modified to “Modern Times” Just look at American History Books…

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  • Anonymous says:

    This is what you get all you young Japs get for voting or keeping old geezers in power.

    These old fags will never understand these kind of materials, cuz the time period they grew up is vastly different than what it is today.

    • Anonymous says:

      It’s only ‘warped’ in the minds of idiots who have fallen into the fallacy that close familial relationships and pregnancy = warped or somehow damaged children.

      Sorry, but not true in the damned slightest. NUMEROUS studies in other animals have proven that is not going to happen unless it is a thing through 5 or more generations. Even then, unless you have a known genetic disorder that is ‘more common’ in a specific racial group, it’s not going to be more common that the children are going to be ‘damaged’.

      Need I remind people that many of the Down’s Syndrome children are NOT inbred. Same thing for children with other mental disorders.

      • Anonymous says:

        A fallacy based on another fallacy, that all sex necessarily leads to pregnancy.

        There are tons of ways to have sex that do NOT lead to pregnancy, yet somehow if it’s not the “right kind of sex” we need to ban it. Or maybe it’s just that some people can’t imagine there being more than one way to have sex.

        • Anonymous says:

          There’s little risk for harm to the child with brother sister incest. Especially with a young imouto. There is more risk to the child, from older women 30+ having babies, yet society encourages this and discourages sweet lovemaking with ones own imouto. What we have is hypocrisy in effect.

      • Anonymous says:

        From the interview, I would say pregnancy and “damaged children” are not what the government use to scare people into accepting censorship. It seems their approach is more like “if we don’t ban these, your child will want to bang his sister!” Lazy parents then want the ban to avoid having to talk with their kids about their sexuality.

        • Anonymous says:

          the funny part is in dolphin scociety they actually indulge in incest as its the older sisters JOB to train her little brothers in how to enguage in ACT of sex, they dont generally as far as i know breed with them tho. the active teaching about sex is one way of actually ensuring children know what its all about…but for some reason almost all scocieties view sex as a back-room private thing that shouldnt be talked about, let alone teached, and heaven forbid children under the age of 18 even see a picture of a naked body. of course there are some countries that take this to an extreem….pathetic

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    • Anonymous says:

      Obviously they’re working on a time machine so they can travel back in time to prevent anyone from ever committing incest or writing about it. Thankfully, his will lead to national suicide on their part considering how much incest happens in that country.

  • Want unpopular opinion?

    Incest is nothing bad as long as the female won’t get impregnated or harmed. As long as no one is harmed physically or mentally, it is morally acceptable to do absolutely anything. ANYTHING.

  • About the only thing that one can be assured Tokyo’s prurient leadership won’t do is follow the Western Feminazi moment to seek bans on any materiel that shows disgusting males be hideously attracted to the pure glory that is femininity.

    A pity that one must rely on ingrown misogyny for that margin.

  • Anonymous says:

    I have just one question…

    Is this “Incest” in Japan equivalent to America’s push for “Same-Sex Marriage”?
    (As in are there really that many people going about “Doing it” with their siblings/ relatives? )

    First it’s anti-child porn–which they turned down multiple times (Kodomo No Jikan), and now it seems to be a siblings complex that has been affecting even the integrity of non-eroge type series (Sword Art Online) to the point that you’re not really sure if it’s a joke or they’re really serious about this situation.

    We have already gone through Yaoi/Yuri.
    We have touched base on Lolicon.
    We have sister complexes.
    We even have attempts to pursue Polygamy.

    -,- _(And so what’s next? Beastiality? …wait… I think we already hit that too…)

  • Anonymous says:

    “What kind of frightening influence might a story like this have on a schoolboy with an imouto?”

    thinking of the habit of japanese schoolgirls to prostitute themselfs, they should worry more about the influence on the imouto than her ni-chan…

  • Anonymous says:

    So by their logic Sailor Moon should be banned because of Ali and En. Cardcaptor Sakura should be banned because of Tomoyo’s crush on Sakura. And Tenchi should be banned because of the incest harem.

    • Anonymous says:

      Better than…. Chinese influences? African? European? Japanese? Korean? Thai?

      ….admittedly the Euro part might not be so bad, but since this site is about the squinty-eyed folk we’ll just keep it that way.

      Chinese and Koreans are either horribly oppressed and the Japs don’t know what to do with themselves. So western “influences” aren’t that bad. Besides, it’s nothing that really makes your life worse for wear, so shut it. Betcha live stateside, anyway.

  • Anonymous says:

    well, that makes me want to shank a bitch

    it sounds like they’re really trying to ruin every kind of “exotic” porn before hmm… either the elections or the 2020 olympics

  • Anonymous says:

    no little imoutos? ok then, how about hot, sexy, okaasan milfs? that’s ok right? the ratio of okaasan stories to imouto ones is already like 1 to 100 so it would be pretty unfair if this applied to a story like that, if they ever find one… and if they could also let me know when and if they ever find one, all will be forgiven. do they ever sell? has anyone ever tried? i guess kids are just more interested in their childish, virgin imoutos than their far more experianced and tempered, lonely okaasans…

  • Anonymous says:

    Well, that answers what “glorifying” incest is, to them anyway. But I still want to know how to properly glorify incest. I wouldn’t want to glorify incest in an improper manner, after all, and I’m sure manga creators want to be proper as well.

    • Anonymous says:

      Well a theory is that Lazy otaku who rarely meet or spend any time with any girl start to sexualize their sister whom they are able to see often. But the Westermarck effect generally nullifies this theory.

      Other theories range from disaffection from or failure to socialize in a normative manner leading to something similar to the above theory whereas a guy or girl doesn’t learn how or why to seek an opposite sex partner from their peer group, and end up misplacing their sexual desires on a sibling or close cousin(or other relative I suppose, like an aunt or uncle) that approximates a match.

      It plays well in fiction, simply because it is a taboo i.e. most people will never experience it in reality and thus find it broadly interesting or desirable to explore in the safe confines of the imagination.

    • Anonymous says:

      ive never understood why imouo stories are so prevalent in japan… personally ive always wished there were more mother-son stories. how i got into them is a long story i dont feel like telling now, but baically it started from liking older women, to finding out about straight shota, then incest stories. its the taboo aspect that is part of the reason it makes it a more exciting element, for sure. that said, i never have, never do, and never will have incestuous thoughts of my own mother, but i always wonder if i was 13 and had a perverted playboy model for a mom, would the westermark effect ever get overrided in special cases? lol.. i wonder what pamela anderson’s boys went through

    • Anonymous says:

      This is just Romeo & Juliet: the forbidden love plot.

      Clans do not exist anymore so authors turned to the only remaining forbidden love: incest. It allows creating tension in the story because either the guy has to resist his love or he has to fight his family for his love. In both case, a strong plot potential (not necessarily well used…) for the author.

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  • Anonymous says:

    Anything to stop the flood of shitty No Matter How I Look At It, My Little Sister Caused My Boner titles every fuckin anime season. Rest in pieces, its time for the next annoying anime fad.

    • Anonymous says:

      Because anime was better in the 90’s because your nostalgia glasses say so. There has always been shitty animations, and there has been far more different types of works that have been made in the last few years than you realize.

      • Anonymous says:

        True, the reason why anime feels worse now is because they’re made in greater number… There are still a few great anime each season, but most are average and then there are always a few really bad ones too.

    • Anonymous says:

      You shouldn’t just lump them all together, it’s lazy and you will miss out. Some of them are well done, with interesting characters or an actual plot, and the incest is just kinda part of it.

      Even the incest ero-manga swing wildly from titles where ‘oh he is fucking his sister cause he came home and she was there’ to ‘their family has troubles and they only have each other and buttplay to keep them sane and alive’.

      • Anonymous says:

        I didnt say all modern anime sucked. I said all incest anime sucks and there is far too much of it as there is. There does not need to be be like 5 new ones every single damn year. Anime goes through weird fads all the time, and the past few years has been the incest fad. It’s time to move on to the next one.

        • Anonymous says:

          @15:42 well, You hate incest, I get it. But you shouldn’t hate it too much to the point where if a show shows tiny hints of incest, you immediately quit it. Like Mahouka koukou something, although that incest part is a bit high (At least Sibling ecchi, since it’s technically not incest), it has other parts to it too. as well as No game No life. it all depends on what you like.. some people like this genre of sibling love.

          Also, “There does not need to be be like 5 new ones every single damn year.” Dude. about 30 or more animes are released like every SEASON. I’m pretty sure quite a number of those would involve “Incest”, but a Lot of those wouldn’t.

        • Anonymous says:

          Yosuga no sora had a strong “art” feel to it – it was ruined with the obvious echi elements in every couple episodes, but it portrayed the dilemma and general taboo of incest quite well. It was a beautiful anime, regardless of a persons stance on the subject matter,

          besides, controverstial topics stimulate discussion and the chance to look at a subject from a new angle. Shunning something simply promotes ignorance.