Microsoft’s decision to finally unbundle Kinect from the Xbox One and in the process equal the PlayStation 4 in price has been hailed as the last of its humiliating Xbox Onw climb-downs, which have seen such amazing new features as support for used games and the ability to function without an Internet connection added in response to consumer demand.

Microsoft is spinning the decision to provide a version of the console sans Kinect as a deft response to “your feedback”:

Since the beginning, we have focused on delivering great games and entertainment experiences for you.

Your feedback matters to us and it shapes the products and services we build.

Your feedback showed up in the Xbox One console we launched back in November and in the monthly updates we’ve delivered since.

Today, we’re excited to share more ways your feedback is impacting the products we build.

First, beginning on June 9th, in all markets where Xbox One is sold, we will offer Xbox One starting at $399*. This is a new console option that does not include Kinect.


If you buy Xbox One for $399 and later decide you want to have all the experiences Kinect enables, we will also offer a standalone sensor for Xbox One later this fall. We’ll share more details about the standalone Kinect for Xbox One in the coming months.

Additionally, the Xbox Live Gold requirement for many services is being watered down:

Next, we’re bringing more value to Xbox Live Gold members and offering all Xbox 360 and Xbox One owners access to entertainment apps whether or not you have an Xbox Live Gold membership

Although the decision to drop mandatory Kinect may have had more to do with the irrelevance of Kinect to most games and the sales boost a cheaper console might represent, the move also means that more circumspect Xbox One gamers will also be spared the hassle of disabling their new MSNSA monitoring device – although most still seem to think it far too late to rescue this generation from the jaws of Sony.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    07:07 14/05/2014 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Kinect was a piece of shit anyway. I'm glad they're abandoning it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:33 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    I wish they'd drop Kinect from games and focus on using it for, you know, shit that it's actually useful for (protip: NOT games).

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:23 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    "Although the decision to drop mandatory Kinect may have had more to do with the irrelevance of Kinect to most games and the sales boost a cheaper console might represent"

    I think that is a problem, because the PS4 does not bundle the cam. Since most games are Multi Platform, there is just no way the devs would do something innovative with Kinect because they have to build their game for the general audience which may or may not have a camera, be it kinect or PScam.

    Another instance, where a good dictator is better than democracy. Hinders innovation.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:00 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    another idiot who believe kinect is their savior.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:37 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, Kinect was mildly amusing for a bit but the novelty wore off pretty fast. Remember the Milo demo? Where's THAT kind of interactivity? THAT sort of use would be cool. But instead I'm waving my arms around or fake-jumping in my living room and having the motions misinterpreted a little too often. It's just not worth it.

    I think we've exhausted the motion control gimmick. The Wii was cute but after that I had had enough. Playstation's Move was a colossal failure. We don't need motion controls or tablet controllers. Let's get back to core game play with a nice, functional gamepad.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:03 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    another instance where a person fails to understand "innovation" does not equal doing anything.
    innovation requires a certain prerequisite of usefulness.

    you can create a new wheel, but if it does absolutely nothing to improve on the old wheel other than be different, that's not innovation.

    if your new wheel solves a problem or satisfies a need that doesn't actually exist, that's not innovation.

    simply being an "other" or an "alternate" does not make something an innovation. it just makes it a thing that may or may not prove to be anything meaningful as many things exist and most aren't innovations.
    and will never be considered innovations due to lack of a billion dollar corporate funded sales campaign selling that idea for even new product to the legions of people who will eat up such sales pitches.

    Kinect was mandatory for the XBOne as is up until yesterday and yet =
    1) NOBODY was actually using it for anything
    2) the biggest XBOne title to date DID NOT USE IT FOR ANYTHING
    3) and devs of several games coming down the development pipeline have said that they too weren't going to be using the Kinect and weren't even going to bother fake using Kinect for anything
    those facts say a lot about Kinect's value as "innovation".

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:36 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Kinect was mandatory for the XBOne as is up until yesterday and yet =
    1) NOBODY was actually using it for anything
    2) the biggest XBOne title to date DID NOT USE IT FOR ANYTHING
    3) and devs of several games coming down the development pipeline have said that they too weren't going to be using the Kinect and weren't even going to bother fake using Kinect for anything
    those facts say a lot about Kinect's value as "innovation".

    You obviously didn't care to read my post.
    1) Because most titles are multi platform
    2) which one would that be? Titanfall? That's multi platform as well.
    3) again, most games are multi platform.

    The PS4 trackpad has the same issues. Probably no one uses it (for innovative game changing stuff) because Xbox One does not have it. But they can at least use it to duplicate stuff or make some thing more accessible because let's say binding leaning around corners on a trackpad for the PS4 version is a matter of a few hours extra coding, while doing kinect stuff is probably a little more complicated and too much extra work for a little gimmick. And as I said, game changing things cannot be done since firstly too much extra work for a multi platform title which has to be balanced on all platforms and secondly the PS4 people would riot if the XB1 version was considerably superior because of that.

    So basically the only way for kinect development would be kinect only titles, or xbox one exclusives in general, which microsoft just killed, because now, devs cannot count on kinect being present, so an xbox 1 exclusive to a developer considering kinect is like a multi platform title now.
    They would either need to somehow balance controller only gaming and controller + kinect or make it kinect only which would further cut down target demographic.
    That why triple a xbox exclusives don't really use it up till now. And after just half a year time on the market the devs didn't really have that much time to utilize the guarantee that kinect is present on any xbox one unit yet. Dream is over now. Kinect will stay being a gimmick.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:57 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)


    "He literal RE-invented the wheel."

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:54 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    heh~ creating the new wheel was what a Israel farmer just did for wheel chairs but also could be expanded to All vehicles too. He literal invented the wheel.
    Any peripheral for a gaming system will work if the player doesn't have to move anything more than fingers. The reason the wii was successful was because the controls reacted sluggishly, till "gamers" demanded 1 to 1 reaction finding out that they really, Really had rotten motor skills and got worse at the game for it.. and stopped playing that system.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:08 16/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Amazing how people ignore the PS4's stupid trackpad... All this gen brought are more powerful machines, that's it. Big let-down.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:31 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Kinect and a holodeck are apples and oranges. Try again, jackass.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:49 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Being able to use your body in a game isn't innovative? I guess we shant expect a holodeck cause you can achieve the same results with a 2d video game.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:21 14/05/2014 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    No surprise at all, Micro$hit is getting desperate, they didnt even release their sale figure. Cuz their Xbone can't run games at full HD.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Yea like how PS4 lies when it states games runs at 60fps at 1080p even though none of them do.

    So did you type this on the PS4? I guess not.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:57 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    >bragging about 1920x1080
    console gamers are such plebs

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:04 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Said the PC gamers who always pirating games ? LOL that was a masterpiece. why would so called 'patrician' stole games ? Isn't that why most devs ditch PC a while ago LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:05 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    said someone who took their game off of piratebay. LOL

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    Comment by jr2nd
    15:15 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    yes right "everyone" with a pc pirates games -.- like "everyone" didn't with a ps3/Xbone360 EITHER -.-

    plus like it or not PC game sales are as high as they've ever been, that's been shown lately due to steam / origin.

    nice try console fanboys.. and yes I got a ps3 so there mer! lol

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:32 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Most devs ditched the PC?

    What the hell are you on about? Are you trying to claim that MOST devs are now making games exclusively for consoles?

    This is just patently false. There is overwhelming evidence all around you that PC gaming is alive and well. For fucks sake, one could simply have a look at Steam's online store and there's all the proof you need.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:37 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Watch_Dog will, just you wait...

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:28 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Watch dogs 1080p 60 fps feature was cancelled.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:16 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    On the PC it will :p

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:08 14/05/2014 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Way too late MS. Way too late.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:25 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    And how long was the PS3 $600?

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:31 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    So? We're talking about ps4s and xbox ones. The ps3 at $600 was one of the reasons it failed to the xbox and the same thing with ps4 and xbox ones.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:41 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Consoles: a poor man's gaming pc

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:57 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    PS3 outsold the 360 anon.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:38 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Exactly. The PS3 was way too expensive and "had no games" and yet it eventually outsold the 360 last year.

    MS drops the kinect and brings the price down to $399 in less than a year and it's too late?

    Also, Sony is still in financial trouble and MS just announced a profit of $20.4 billion dollars last quarter.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:56 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Exactly why you have to price those bitches to sell sell sell.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:03 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    ”Poor man's gaming pc". You really ARE fucking retarded. Do you realize that games are still being made for consoles like the PS3, PSP, PS Vita, etc? I still have my PS3 and currently enjoying a fuckton of classic games as well as new games like Super Heroine Chronicle, Im@s Channel, etc etc etc. PCfags are really missing out.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:12 14/05/2014 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Microsoft's PR, always excited for eating their own words after their masters, their customers, give them a complete beating for their misbehaviour.
    They must think the M in Microsoft is in fact the M in Masochist.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:11 14/05/2014 # ! Good (+0.8)

    So now we pay the same price for a console with inferior specs to PS4.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:24 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    same price at least in the USA...
    over in Europe its totally different story.
    Sony forced prices up week before release from 590 usd to 660 usd here and making all the shops that had "fixed price pre-order" take the hit... the local GameStop lost 5000 usd on that.
    later Sony have increased price once more up to 690 while there is no shops that sells it below 710 usd.

    the Xbox One however is 660 usd and its reported to drop down to 575 usd when the Kinekt is removed (even dough its not officially "released" in all the countries its for sale, even up here in the Scandinavian countries...)

    unless Sony drops prices it would be an 20% price difference on em. its also reported that Xbox gonna run with the same price-setup for the games as they had on the X360 vs PS3, meaning the games will be an 10-20usd cheaper too here.

    even dough the PS4 is tiny bit more powerful, takes less space, its still quite simple math for the parents thats gonna buy a new console for their kids if the prices keeps up here...

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:49 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not sure whether these numbers are true, but PS4 sells better in Europe, regardless. Everywhere actually.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:27 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    those numbers sounds correct for Scandinavia, or Norway specific... bloody hell, the PS3 was even 1000 dollars on release there and the games where all over 125 each, the PS2 at the same time was like 200 dollars for the console with 2 controllers, memorycard and a game and games was 40 to 75 dollars new...

    helped some friends getting some PS3's at release over the Atlantic, they sold em even dough it was no warranty and they where NTSC on the market for over 5000 dollars... each...

    dough, if PS4 wasn't selling better i would be sorry for Sony. Sony had all its PR indirectly spamming shit on how inferior the Xbox One, MS is stepping constantly in the shit and the Xbox One is out in like... 1\3 of the countries that PS4 is on sale in?

    but like Anon says if the games is cheaper and the machine is cheaper they are going to sell well when the parents going for holiday shopping, but its long time before Black Friday and December so Sony have good time at strike back

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:31 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)


    Comment by Anonymous
    07:18 14/05/2014 # ! Good (+0.7)

    What u expect from Micro$hit

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:38 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    A lot more than from you.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:34 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)


    Comment by Anonymous
    10:28 16/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    STFU butthurt Xbot fanboy

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:47 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (+0.3)

    ITs pretty much MS trying to at least put up a fight after the beating is getting from Sony's the end Xbone should really be called X180 after all this back tracking.....

    Keep trying to catch up MS!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:14 14/05/2014 # ! Good (+0.6)

    What a butthurt X1 fanboy.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:05 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Not so much putting up a fight, as having been found out. All these corporations are not your friend. The only time they do something positive is when decisions they made previously, suddenly start impacting their wallet.

    Same goes for $ony. All of them.

    As soon as the storm passes, don't be at all surprised that they again give with one hand, whilst taking with another. All smoke and mirrors.

    They'll do anything to get your money. Not make your experience worthwhile. Only ever bearable.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:32 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Idk, PSplus's free games and services are pretty worthwhile.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:58 15/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    @ Josh
    The games MS gives out, you can find at the bargain bin in any game store. And you only get one game a month.

    Meanwhile, PS+ gives more than one, all the time every month.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:53 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Im playing PSN plus 'free' games quite a lot. Some of those I've never played/bough/rented so to me is quite a steal....

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:34 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Does anyone play those old free games they hand out?

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    Comment by josh
    14:22 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    But you can only play those games as long as you are subscribed to PS+ right? At least with XBL you get too play the free games even if your subscription runs out.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:18 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, pretty much the same applies to anime, when you think about it... and I doubt anyone here will stop watching anime for knowing that.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:40 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Haven't watched anime since Spice and Wolf II and I am still waiting on Magipoka season 2. What am I still doing here?!

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:50 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not even one per season is interesting. I stopped watching since Death Note / Code Geass .

    Comment by Anonymous

    Actually, I've almost stopped watching anime. Maybe 1 per season looks interesting to me, and I have so many I still haven't watched because I just don't feel like it. They're getting too repetitive, and all devolving into nothing but tits & ass.

    Comment by Anonymous

    They're all lying manipulative crooks.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:42 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    I see some butthurt Xbox fanboys upvoting this post.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:25 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hey, remember when the PS3 first came out and sold horribly for a few years before bouncing back and finally selling more units than the 360 last year?

    Of course you don't.

    Oh, and Sony is still in financial trouble while MS just reported $20.4 billion in profits last quarter.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:03 14/05/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    Once Halo etc are released the console will easily break 10 million sold. The first party exclusives have sold Microsoft consoles in huge amounts in America(Arguably where the Xbox 360 was more popular). They don't have much to worry about.

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