Japan Plans “Marines, Drones & Carriers”


Japan has announced a 5 year plan to rearm itself which sees it acquiring its own marines, drones and F-35s in response to the massive military buildup on the mainland.

Japan’s newly unveiled “national security strategy” (or more accurately, its “beat China by ourselves when the US abandons us” strategy) features a modest 2.6% increase in military spending over the next 5 years compared to the 10% year on year increases China has been busying itself with in recent years.

Of more significance than this paltry increase is what Japan intends to spend it on – for the first time, the self defence forces will establish a unit of marines capable of amphibious assaults on islands, supplemented by drones, stealth fighters in the form of 28 F-35s, and even 17 of the hated Osprey.

The navy also gets two new destroyers and five new subs, and, of course, the rest of its “escort destroyers” – which it surely has no intention of using to launch its new F-35s.

A redeployment of additional Japanese forces from Hokkaido to Okinawa and a promised re-evaluation of the ban on the joint-development and exports of military systems round out the plan.

Notably however, anti-missile systems are absent from the plan, as is a “first-strike” capable force – for now at least.

China as usual consider all this a sign of rampant Japanese nationalism with no possible connection to its own actions:

“Japan’s unreasonable criticism of China’s normal maritime activities and its hyping up of the China threat has hidden political motives.”

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    Comment by Rene
    22:27 17/12/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    It's to be expected, isn't it? The constant shit moves by China as of late sort of spurred this on.

    Now China is sitting there saying "Japan has hidden political motives!" is like a kid pushing another and then getting upset when they finally get pushed back.

    "But I didn't do any thing! Why would they be so mean to me?!"

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:53 18/12/2013 # ! Good (+0.7)

    IMO, china still holds a grudge towards Japan because of what they did during WW2 and china is looking to get back at Japan.

    The problem is Japan is now a peaceful country, if china attack now, they'd look like the bad guys.

    That's why china is bullying and flexing their military muscular might, they want a reason to attack Japan.

    It's a provocation from china's part, nothing new.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:59 18/12/2013 # ! Good (+0.8)

    China is an expansionist. They are using history as a tool to fuck its' neighbors. Just like Nazi Germany, they want to re-draw the world-map.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:51 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Actually the Senkaku islands is made up history. What importance does it have that they had a map, they never occupied it. Argentina have more rights over Falklands than China have over Senkaku. At least there where argentineans living in the Falklands before the British took it.

    Anyway both islands became government tools to manipulate the population.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:10 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    The Falklands had Argentinian troops at it at some point in time, and fishermen, not inhabitants.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:42 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    History has nothing to do with it. Their "neighbors" took their land in the past because they can, and now they're taking it back because they can. It's all about power, justification is an afterthought.

    Comment by Anonymous

    That's funny because a long time ago China had way more territories than it does now.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:04 21/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    You know I still find it ironic that China is fighting japan over an island that should belong to Taiwan.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:27 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yes they're using the island as political reasons, but it's to save their own asses from a revolution. You see they use an external hate source as a scapecoat to divert the hate towards the government. Nonetheless China is playing with fire, sooner or later something bad will erupt: either a war or a revolution.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:36 19/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I see a revolution coming, democracy will win over China someday.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:48 21/12/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Erm, dude for one- Japan was awful and still has not properly apologized for what they did to the Chinese in WW2 (they dropped freaking fleas with bubonic plague for christ sake on China)

    Also the only child which is having a tantrum at another child pushing them. Is America. China has done nothing different to how America behaves (along with America, deliberately encircling them). American bullying is all the Chinese doing. Yet when China do it, they more awful then everyone else. The whole identification zone that was created by them, is an American idea that they created for all the asian nations or at least Japans to encircle China.

    So sorry but I could care less about China pushing back. They been getting pushed and encircled for ages. What I care more about, is that America will just throw another region into chaos.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:07 22/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    We shouldn't give a crap about China. We should continue our policy of Western dominance. China already has a shitload of natural resources, and the only real reasons they want these islands is to troll Japan; and distract the Chinese citizens (who have been demanding more and more government reforms) by appealing to their sense of anti-Japanese fervor.

    If not for the US's intervention, China and/or the Soviet Union would have conquered Japan after WWII, and the anime industry would not even exist.

    Sometimes you need to just drop political correctness, because our natural enemies will not show such mercy towards us.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:21 28/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    If not for US intervention, Japan would have conquered China and crushed Russia.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:48 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah because Japan "did nothing" to China.... Just raped the hell out of the whole mainland, practiced genocide, torture and human experiments on them... you know, just "nothing" to get "upset" about...

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:24 28/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Korea was never 'invaded' btw. The Koreans voluntarily asked for a union with Japan. Koreans were legally Japanese, and fought in the Imperial Japanese Army during WW2. Korean hypocrites only pretended to be victims after they lost ww2.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:10 17/04/2014 # ! Neutral (0)


    Comment by Anonymous
    02:42 19/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    They've been apologizing since the 1950s and specifically to China starting in the 1970s-2000s.
    Want evidence? here you go:

    WW2 thing is old and whoever takes it as more than just a history lesson is just plain retarded, especially in this day and age.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:44 19/12/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Interestingly, invasion of China and Korea is absent from Japanese textbooks, which instead dedicate entire chapters to American "invasion" of their island holdings.

    Their "history lessons" refer to a different history than that of the world the rest of us live in.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:06 19/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    All the countries that didn't emerge in glorious victory in WW2 write a different tale.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:42 19/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)


    Germany didn't. And I'm German, btw.

    What Japanese need to recognize is their leaders during WWII did them no favors, just as Hitler and Nazis did us no favors. But no, they chose to worship these war criminals in a temple instead. It's stupefying.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    02:16 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    The only move China's putting on is helping Japan bankrupt itself. The F-35 and Ospreys are the most expensive failures produced by the military industrial complex to date.

    China's spending cents on the dollar for stuff they make in house, while Japan buy American castoffs to line the pockets of corporations.

    F-35 is a jack of all trades that managed worse specs air to air compared to both the F-22 that it's supposed to replace and the new chinese stealth fighter. Air to ground, it's worse than the A-10, which it's also supposed to replace.

    The crash prone Osprey fares no better. It's supposed to boast high cruise speeds of a fixed wing aircraft and takeoff of a chopper. But in the 3 decades since its inception, conventional chopper speeds caught up. Now, it's only 10% faster than conventional choppers the chinese use, while far more expensive to build and maintain. In a few more years, that edge will probably be gone.

    The Americans bankrupted the Soviet Union in their arms race because of different economics systems. It happened despite the wastes and inefficiencies of the military industrial complex, not because of it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:31 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I see you are misinformed. The F-35 is not meant to replace the F-22, as neither is yet operational. We are keeping the A-10 for now, and the Osprey is actually horrible. As for the F-35 being an expensive failure, you'll note that Japan is better off with that than their outdated aircraft, and it will surely be subsidized by US taxpayers. We do love our allies. As for me, the only complaint I have toward the military industrial complex is that I'm forced to wear UCP, which is the most awful camo ever to be made in the history of mankind.

    Comment by Dark Mage
    02:47 18/12/2013 # ! Good (+0.4)

    The F-35 isn't a bad aircraft is just very expensive for what it is since it tries to be a jack of all trades.

    They should have produced both the Lockheed and Boeing Joint strike fighter designs and optimized them for different roles.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:08 21/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)


    Radar profile for the Chinese fighter has been published, and it's the same size as F-22, far smaller than F-35, despite being physically larger.

    Radar range for the Chinese stealth fighter has not been published, but F-35's 150km detection range of 1 meter sized object is anything but impressive. The Russian stealth fighter's radar range is published though, and it's 300km for 1 meter object, twice as much as F-35. Every major nation already has 4th generation fighters with radar range far outdistancing the F-35, whose designers had to compromise in order to get ground coverage.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:52 20/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Considering the F-35 is a jack of all trade, I remind that it is not just trying to replace but also adds stealth and a radar that won't be matched by its competitor whose still having trouble making a domestic engine and has to get it from the Russians. Neither stealth or radar quality will be published for their full specs, what should be noted is if Japan will make their own drones or work with allies to bolster new projects.

    There isn't just America to look for in military or economics. Theres Australia with huge gas and oil deposits just in the neighbourhood. What about Germany whose just entered the drone market and has also been making ships for awhile. How about that little place thats a beachhead size thing called Israel notorious for their computer programming and drones?

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:56 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)


    The F-35 is still better than the now aged Harrier. Is the jump in specs worth the cost however? Let's leave that for the future.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:51 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    F-35 is a mess. In every role that it's supposed to take over in, it's inferior to earlier specialized aircraft. Modern warfare is all about specialization, there is no place for jack of all trades.

    F-22 is still the gold standard. The only reason the chinese stealth fighter is able to match its specs for cents on the dollar is by narrowly focusing on air to air. They've got the right idea.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:20 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    The project was a total mess though. The project manager should of been kicked in the ass for it.

    Time will tell on how well they do. Foreign countries are buying them

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:17 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ospreys are no longer crash-prone due to re-engineering. The main advantage of Osprey is the range, which choppers do not have, since even though they can be fast, they waste too much fuel just hovering which could be better spent on forward motion.

    I'm not an Osprey fanatic, I'm just stating facts.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:25 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    How about altitude? Fixed wing have higher service ceiling far away from RPGs.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:34 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Range? Many of the older generation transport choppers that's been serving as workhorse in the US air force and navy for decades boast longer range.

    No. They wanted Osprey for its vertical takeoff plus fixed wing speed, which is now a joke, 3 decades later, when they finally worked out [most of] the bugs.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:33 19/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Should have kept around more nazi scientists to solve such problems.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:02 19/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    RPGs? They have zero chance of hitting anything that's cruising. It's not a video game.

    While hovering to unload, Osprey is just as vulnerable as any chopper.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:07 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, the F-35 has nothing to do with the F-22. The F-22 is a dedicated air superiority fighter and appears to be pretty fearsome based on what is publicly known and coming along well considering it is still early in it's life cycle. Nearly every complex aircraft in history had several years of problems to work out and the F-22 is no different. Pilots of the F-22 often remark that it makes things too easy and boring and in simulated combat single F-22 often destroy groups of 4-5 F-15s, with the F-15 being the dominant air superiority fighter of the last generation with a kill ratio of over 100 enemies down to zero loses. The main draw back is the price.. oh sweet jebus the price.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:54 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    What? How dare you doubt that anything Uhmerican isn't the best in the whole world. We've got the best police system. The best health care system. The best financial system. The best national security system. I bet you're a left wing terrorist sympathizer who just doesn't love Uhmerica's friidums. We're gonna find whatever pathetic poor ass backwards (i.e. UN-UHMERCAN) country YOU live in, declare democracy on it, and bumb the shit outta YA, until you start lovin UHMUHRCA with all your buttcheeks. So you better watch out cuz Uhmerica #1 Uhmerka #Uhmurka 1 UH UH UHHHH. WEHHR CUMMIN TO GET YOU

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:31 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I can't believe you're comparing the Phantom to the Raptor, R&D methodology have gone through multiple generations since then.

    The Raptor has been proven in numerous exercises and actual combat.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:31 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    The F-35 on the other hand...

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:53 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sure, and the Pentagon still can't say what will work in actual combat (Which the F-22 has been in... when, exactly? Flying CAP over battlefields full of Taliban peasants who have no Air Force doesn't count) until it happens. Remember Rumsfeld and his "unknown unknowns"? One thing that never changes is the Pentagon's penchant for overconfidence, test-rigging, self-delusion, and bullshit.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:49 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    On paper, and in (often-rigged) exercises, the F-22 mops the floor with everything out there. And on paper, and in (often-overly optimistic) exercises, the Phantom mopped the floor with everything out there in its day. And then Vietnam happened, and things didn't quite work out that way in real life. Yes, the Phantom was still superior, but nowhere near as superior as the Americans thought it would be, and the US military took horrendous losses in the skies over North Vietnam. No, really: there were F-105 units that had pilot loss rates of 70% and loss rates for aircraft that went *over* 100% - meaning they lost every airframe they showed up to fight with and a good chunk of the replacements, too. Because that's what happens in real war: it starts, and things immediately begin *not* going the way they went on paper.

    As for the F-15's kill record, the vast majority of that is the US and/or Israel against Arab armies, which are total jabronis at conventional warfare. Especially in a prestigious area like flying fighters, where getting accepted for a slot has always been about connections and nepotism. So no, sorry, I'm not overly impressed there.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Back up with facts please, thank you. All you're doing is spewing garbage that you heard from someone or from something you read, with no facts to back it up. What you don't seem to understand is that most of the smack talk against the osprey is from 1. People who just want Americans out of Japan or 2. Retired military that are pissed that their investments were screwed up when the U.S. decided to use and order more of the osprey. Never trust what ex-military says publicly about any type of vehicle, they can't while in service, but once they get out, they can and will use their knowledge to invest, so they try to alter public view however they can, but never back up what they say with facts as documents have "conveniently" disappeared, or that they couldn't tell the truth early because they were "forced to stay in service to keep thier mouth shut."

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:38 19/12/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ask yourself, what kind of retard doesn't recognize Osprey as the mess that it is?

    Comment by Anonymous

    But, but, all we ever wanted to do was fuck with people!

    Why is everyone so mean to me?!

    dumb fuckin chnks/

    Comment by Anonymous

    Let's all bomb China! XD

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:09 17/12/2013 # ! Good (+0.9)

    why can't people stop fighting and enjoy loli manga??

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:59 18/12/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    please give this guy the nobel peace award.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Why not? If they gave it to Obama they'll
    give it to anyone.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:56 19/12/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    "what did Obama do to get it?"

    Spend more money in the course of 2.5 years than what Bush did in 8 years.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:21 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Agree, most nobels prizes they give(especially the peace ones) are jokes.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:58 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Why did this guy get voted down? Lol what did Obama do to get it? Nothing, they only gave it to him because he was the first black president, like getting voted in office was some kind of feat he did for the civil rights movement.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Sorry but he'll have to bomb a few children and wedding attendees with drones in the middle east before he can get the prize like Obama did

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:36 18/12/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)


    You do that after you got the price.

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