Doujin Mark “Could Ban Doujinshi”

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Efforts by Ken Akamatsu and the Creative Commons to promote a system for authorising doujin works are proving controversial, with critics claiming their scheme could result in the destruction of the “grey zone” surrounding the doujin world and poses a clear threat to its survival should it be widely adopted.

The “Doujin Mark” is being promoted by Commonsphere, a Japan-based and Creative Commons managed NPO, to establish a way for creators to explicitly authorise derivative works by way of a simple logo.

Commonsphere Doujin Mark committee staff include famed Love Hina mangaka Ken Akamatsu, an editor of Kodansha’s Weekly Shonen Magazine, and three lawyers and academics – though strangely not anyone involved with doujin publishing or events.

The newly unveiled logo, said to be modelled on the nib of a pen, would be placed on copyrighted works to signify they agree with an as yet unspecified set of guidelines for allowing derivative works (largely envisaged as manga carrying the mark to signify they allow or encourage doujin works).

The present status quo sees almost all such doujin works existing in a “grey zone” under Japanese law, technically constituting illegal copyright violation but published freely under the commonly understood practice of copyright holders turning a blind eye almost without exception.

With publishers presumably forced into granting explicit authorisation for past and future doujin works with unknown content of a sexually explicit, controversial and not infrequently commercial nature, there is some concern about just what possible upside there is for publishers over simply ignoring doujinshi as they do at present.

That the mark strongly implies by its presence that should it be absent the doujinshi it pertains to are explicitly unauthorised (there is no equivalent ‘doujin NG’ mark) has also been widely pointed out – making the grey zone effectively a “black zone” of illegal works, presumably contrary to the wishes of its promoters.

One of the more dubious concerns the mark is said to address is the fear that Japan’s eventual TPP membership will result in it being forced to adopt evil foreign copyright laws which would allow police to prosecute copyright violation without a complaint from the copyright holder (a legal distinction known as “shinkokuzai”: presently police require a complaint to prosecute copyright violation).

This would supposedly lead to a situation where the authorities could freely crack down on the “grey zone” of doujinshi and even cosplay without the assent of copyright holders whilst placing the doujin trade in the dangerous legal position of abetting massive copyright violation, and also provides a convenient foreign scapegoat.

However, this appears to owe more to the sort of shrill anti-TPP propaganda almost universally believed on 2ch than to realistic concerns (although Akamatsu evidently believes it as well), as the USA itself does not criminalise derivative works in this way and has long enjoyed far stronger fair use and parody rights than Japan – and the only other countries to even embrace the concept of “shinkokuzai” are Germany, Taiwan and Korea, none of whom are even TPP aspirants.

Both the admittedly horrendous mark itself and its potential implications for the carefully maintained copyright “grey zone” surrounding doujin works are not proving well received online, to the extent that Ken Akamatsu seems to have sacrificed most of the recent goodwill he won in defending loli manga:

“The design is atrocious!”

“Really ugly thing.”

“Unless someone told you, you’d never recognise this is supposed to be a pen tip.”

“Who exactly gave them the right to decide any of this?”

“Nobody has ever heard of this ‘Common Sphere’ – they have no legitimacy to be doing this sort of stuff whatsoever.”

“They have Akamatsu, a Shonen Magazine editor, a lawyer and some CC staff. Did the publishers put them up to this as they can’t do it themselves? They are an NPO so they must have some financial backing.”

“Looks like they are trying to squeeze the rest of the industry.”

“It is CC. I don’t think they are trying to shake down the industry, more that this is a proposal for a regularised system for offering permission.”

“It doesn’t look like they have any actual connection to the circles they are proposing to regulate though.”

“They also attach a bunch of conditions to its use which they haven’t even announced yet.”

“That’s probably where they’ll try to extort some protection money from creators.”

“Are they trying to create another money-grubbing bureaucracy to give jobs to retiring civil servants?”

“If you have to get permission, or lack of explicit permission now implies it is forbidden, it is rather strong discouragement to doujinshi creators. Who’d want to write them like this?”

“That’s probably the idea.”

“They should just do a ‘doujin NO’ mark instead of OK…”

“Nobody would use it so these guys wouldn’t be able to get any money out of them.”

“I can see why some people think it is just an imposition, but there are some circles making huge amounts of money out of doujinshi so it is easy to see where the concern arises.”

“Is it actually intended only for CC-licensed stuff though?”

“Seems to be more of a license the CC are guaranteeing as legally sound which anyone can use.”

“All OK or all NG is not really serving the interests of those who want to control derivative works either though. Some will want to ban ero or guro or whatever whilst allowing other works.”

“So after screaming about the loli manga ban Akamatsu then attempts to impose a vested interest on the doujin world which will ensure they can no longer produce all their ero or loli doujinshi without his permission?

He just decides this mark with no publicity, then starts saying anything without it is going to be illegal to produce derivative works of.

He certainly knows how to pull the wool over the eyes of naive otaku, doesn’t he!”

“This mark is probably only ever going to be adorning Akamatsu’s works…”

“If you need a mark like this to have permission to make one it means you are forbidden to make one without it – so it is in effect a blanket ban.”

“That is how it is now though – you are operating in a grey zone and could be sued. You should be grateful, they want to make you a white zone!”

“I suppose it could mean formal Amazon sales of titles based on works with the mark, which would be something.”

“Maybe it will be used to finally crack down on all the doujiin which get uploaded overseas.”

“This is basically saying ‘please make ero-doujinshi of this work.’ Unless a cut of the sales or censorship is involved it is hard to see it becoming established.”

“This could destroy the doujin world. No major publisher is going to let anyone put this thing on their works. It is grey now so they have no responsibility for what people do, but this mark would mean they effectively condone whatever is being put out.”

“If they are limited to original works about 1 circle in a hundred will be able to cut it. Comiket would go from 35,000 circles to 350.”

“Doujinshi clearly exert a positive effect on Japan’s manga culture. Half of the commercial mangaka out there started out publishing doujinshi!”

“The system they propose is basically transforming the existing ‘grey zone’ into ‘strictly forbidden’ and making anything without the mark imply it is not OK to produce a derivative work of.”

“A permission mark is the worst possible way of doing this… it is just forbidding everything if the mark is not present. A denial mark would be better, though in practice it would mean no change to how things are now.”

“A denial mark would create a pretty bad image for the marker though. Not that they get anything out of a permission mark”

“It is hard to see just what they want to accomplish with all this?”


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    Comment by Dark Mage
    06:33 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    Seeing the negative backlash he should forget he ever had the idea.
    Besides that logo is one of the most horrendous I have ever seen.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    06:42 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    But knowing how Japanese people think, he will consider this negative reaction to be in minority and ignore it, which will eventually lead to humiliation, which in turn he make him wonder what he did wrong.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:56 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    You just described how Xbox one got in that mess. Have you forgot "deal with it"?

    Comment by Dark Mage
    13:36 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I think Don Mattrick ended up resigning from his post at Microsoft's Interactive Entertainment Business division over that one.
    Officially it's because he's going over to Zynga unofficially MS probably blamed him for the Xbox One being a failure at E3 because the DRM features were his idea.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:09 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't even understand the point... The doujin business is a good stepping stone for new artists, it's helping the industry.

    I'm also baffled by the fact that doujinshi market doesn't take anything away from the actual publishing.

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    Comment by minakichan
    06:34 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    True, separating doujinshi into "with approval" and "without approval" can be dangerous for some of them, but with the status quo, ALL doujin artists can basically be prosecuted at any time if a publisher doesn't like the content. The gray zone that's being discussed here is basically an unspoken agreement, and publishers have never been obligated to not sue doujin creators-- and they've notably gone VERY close to doing so in the past (shutting down a Pokemon yaoi doujinshi and the famous Doraemon ending doujinshi). Isn't it better to have some doujinshi explicitly approved than none at all? Honestly, I can't imagine that the status quo for doujinshi without this mark would change at all.

    Also, Ken Akamatsu has done doujinshi before.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:46 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Is the logo supposed to be a boob?

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:47 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Looks closer to a Dork to me.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:55 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's clearly an ass, are you blind?

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    Comment by Strength
    06:57 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Looks like a butt to me.

    Comment by Dark Mage
    13:26 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    Now I cannot unsee it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:04 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Read the article, it's supposed to portray the tip of a fountain pen...

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/Fountain-pen-nib.jpg

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    Comment by คภєк๏
    07:27 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    It helps to read the articles before commenting.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    07:03 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    yet another example of creative communism being the cancer killing creative writing.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:53 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    i am partly siding with this.... ehm.... anonynmous.

    and anon does not seem like a dictator?

    more like a pissed author.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:07 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Japanese sure love censorship don't they?

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:56 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    More than rice and noodles.

    Comment by Anonymous

    More than little boys dressed as girls.

    Comment by Anonymous

    More than good morning blow jobs.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:44 21/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    That change in copyright never went through, Akamatsu is a hack & a money grubbing whore.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:27 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Ugly logo and I like my doujins so no plz go away.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:35 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Do you even understand this article at all?

    Comment by Anonymous

    do you "like" by raping them women?
    plz go away. i like my ero's.

    Comment by Anonymous

    if you meaned rapping.... its something else.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:31 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.3)

    Are they trying to fool themselves? Look at what good the "grey zone" did for hentai media lately. Look at how ridiculously harsh recent copyright laws have become.

    The Japanese are fooling themselves if they think their government or those retarded hardliner opportunists would play fair along a non-binding "grey zone".

    Akamatsu and his associates are actually trying to cement a legally binding "free pass". I don't know, sometimes it feels as if their whole country has gone full retard. They don't even realize how much they have already lost because they just won't stand up for their freedom.

    Ken Akamatsu is a true hero. Very much unlike idiots and loud-mouths on their prolific net-sites. He is actually taking the action right to the enemies doorstep.

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    Comment by Conduit
    08:21 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Actually what you're seeing is pretty typical in most places. You always get resistance when you try to put into place solutions to future problems. People are terrified of messing with the status quo and will resist any change unless the need is immediately apparent, as in, the problem has already happened.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:11 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Its not necessarily like that, its just that when they want to change something its always for the worse than it already is, therefore all ppl will agree status quo > changes, but what you said it also has some truth.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:05 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    >They don't even realize how much they have already lost because they just won't stand up for their freedom.

    Like the British.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:02 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    And the stupid Amerifats championing christianity & morals, while allowing their government to punish them for crimes that don't even exist & spy on them without legal paperwork.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:16 03/09/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Y'know what the irony is? How Americans have always pointed fingers at others while ignoring their own messed up backyard that they've let themselves be screwed over black and blue by their own government they put so much trust in. Patriotism is somewhat good. Blind nationalism...not so much.

    For all that freedom they boast about they sure enjoy making crippling and ignorant choices with that freedom.

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    Comment by Diemeow23
    09:28 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    Well anon how about this I deside to make a doujin on how Taiga Aisaka grows a dick(lol) and Ami finds out and starts with Ami teasing her and ends it Taiga uncontrollably thrusting inside her...Now let say the Parent company does not like my "work" what then did my work pose a threat economically, was it to explicit in it's portrayal(maybe) or maybe they simply didn't like the concept of Taiga + Ochinchin = unexpectedly satisfied Ami XD

    Either way I don't get to release my work anymore or get hated for it anyway cause of absence of logo or worse get arrested. While I'm up for an official solution and am aware of the current problems with copyright related situations I still can't help thinking at the back of my mind, hoping if hey could come up with a more reassuring plan you know...Damn! Now I have a boner

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    Comment by Diemeow23
    09:28 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    Well anon how about this I deside to make a doujin on how Taiga Aisaka grows a dick(lol) and Ami finds out and starts with Ami teasing her and ends it Taiga uncontrollably thrusting inside her...Now let say the Parent company does not like my "work" what then did my work pose a threat economically, was it to explicit in it's portrayal(maybe) or maybe they simply didn't like the concept of Taiga + Ochinchin = unexpectedly satisfied Ami XD

    Either way I don't get to release my work anymore or get hated for it anyway cause of absence of logo or worse get arrested. While I'm up for an official solution and am aware of the current problems with copyright related situations I still can't help thinking at the back of my mind, hoping if hey could come up with a more reassuring plan you know...Damn! Now I have a boner

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    Comment by Diemeow23
    09:29 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    Damn double post! Sorry

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:03 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    How can you say Japan is not standing up for their freedom? Look at the U.S for example with the whole NSA shit, I don't see a significant amount of people standing up and actually making a difference against it, and U.S is suppose to be all about freedom and rights.

    The world sees the U.S citizens taking the NSA and the Goverments dick so far up the ass it's coming out the mouth, Japan also is getting it up the ass from their government, and Canada, and Russia and etc

    My point is....what's new?

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:33 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I thought that the logo was a breast wearing earphones. Thanks for clearing that up.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:34 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Copyright laws in general are a mess, and the possible TPP amendments for enforcement through the criminal system (rather than through the civil system) are legitimately scary. While a mark like this is a terrible solution, the fears for the future of doujins aren't entirely unwarranted.

    Comment by Dark Mage
    13:37 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    TPP needs to die.

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    Comment by Denshousha
    08:18 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't see doujinshi surviving for much longer. Too much greed and too many IP lawyers. And even the fact that many (most?) of the pros started out that way won't matter.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Doujin does not mean that it is someone elses work being used as a basis. There are plenty of "Original Work" doujin. Doujin simply means amatuer work. Whether something is a doujin or not is a matter of opinion, that can vary at time, and when you decide that "amateurs" have to get permission to write or show their writing to others, you are creating a creating an unacceptable and horrible environment and making a major leap into forming a dictatorship/oligarchy

    Comment by Anonymous

    i asked if i have to get permission out of insecurity. am i allowed TO FEEL INSECURE ASSHOLE?

    YES OR NO?

    AM I ALLOWED YES OR NO?

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:37 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    AM I ALLOWED TO READ MANGA AND UNDERSTAND DOUJIN OR NOT SO?

    Comment by Anonymous

    I AM THE ONE SUFFERING UNDER AN UNACCEPTABLE AND HORRIBLE ENVIROMNET!

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:41 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    oh i am not an amateur?

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:59 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Bunch of amateurs....

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:42 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    did i read that right? i am not an amateur?

    sorry but i pictured myself as an amateur as i still did not break the 5 years anime watching time.

    and i can decide about "amateurs" whatever that is?

    ah .... thats something "new".

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:11 23/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Seid ihr das Essen? Nein, wir sind der POK!

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:22 24/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    nah ich bin nur angfressen.

    Comment by Anonymous

    then why am i still poor and the "amateurs" are swimming in money and crowd controll and laughter? get your enemies right .

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:49 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    i did not ask for a dot free speech out of your ass just to ditch your responsibility about your money and your controll about your fans ?

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    Comment by คภєк๏
    13:56 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    No, doujin does not mean amateur work. It means self-published work.

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    Comment by คภєк๏
    14:01 19/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Although we should be saying doujinshi in this context.





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