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The team behind Square Enix’s latest Final Fantasy XIII rehash Lightning Returns have revealed the game’s open-world gameplay is intended to “beat Skyrim,” prompting much derision, and have also confirmed the important news that Lightning has officially been augmented to a D cup.

In Famitsu’s latest interview with the Lightning Returns development team, director Motomu Toriyama (famous for removing towns from XIII as “they were too much work“) and “wilderness lead planner” Yui Umeda revealed their intent to make a Skyrim beater:

Umeda: The wilderness is designed with a natural open world style of play in mind.

Toriyama’s first instruction was “beat Skyrim!”

That may be a tall order with the resources on hand, but as this is FF we decided it might be best to approach it by letting you run about on a chocobo.

Also, although there is lots of freedom in the wilderness, there is only one goal but with many paths to accomplishing it.

Thankfully for them the talk soon shifted to the far more important topic of Lightning’s increasing bust size, perhaps illustrating where everyone’s priorities really lie:

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Is it true Lightning went from a C cup to a D cup?

Goto: Well, Toriyama told us to make her bigger!

Toriyama: You’re just passing the blame!

Goto: Well, yes, we made her bigger.

That is to say, she was a C until now? She jiggles about a bit now, doesn’t she?

Goto: Yes!

Toriyama: It actually depends on the wear you select. Sort of like supportive underwear.

Suzuki: There’s an unshown costume where she is wearing a sarashi. If it is announced, think of this.

Lightning herself has also been made to moonlight as a Miqo’te of late:

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Even Square Enix daring to mention Skyrim, let alone challenge it, is all too much hubris for Japanese gamers it would seem:

“Like they can manage Skyrim.”

“There is no way this can compete with Skyrim as they say.”

“I think they are confusing their ‘open plains’ from XIII with the ‘open world’ of Skyrim.”

“I’d love to see just what part of this game they have deluded themselves into thinking could compete with Skyrim.”

“Skyrim was overrated anyway. It was only really good because you can mod it up.”

“With those comments Umeda is basically saying one small part of the game is somewhat comparable to an open-world RPG.”

“If they were saying this about XV I might think they were serious, but it is obvious they long ago gave up making anything of Lightning Returns.”

“Other than the cuteness of Lightning they really have nothing to beat anyone with.”

“I wish they’d stop dragging out Lightning. She’s not even that appealing a character!”

“These weird host and hostess costumes and odd equipment they are obsessed with are so out of date it is not funny any more! I’m getting truly sick of their mixed medieval high-tech worlds too!”

“The whole game premise is just awful.”

“It will just be another long linear story though.”

“Maybe they could beat Skyrim with the battle system, at least.”

“They could surely beat it in terms of CTDs!”

“Square Enix is hopeless, they long since forgot they could succeed going their own way.”

“Square Enix is just done for.”

“It really says it all that even now they are saying they can compete with Skyrim.”

“It is odd that they are so obsessed with Skyrim at all really.”

“It carried off everything they ever wanted to do, I guess. Now they are just deluding themselves that they can beat it if they try.”

“God knows why they are trying to do this with another continuation of XIII. They shouldn’t even be trying this with the FF brand.”

“This lot probably don’t want to do anything like TES at all. They are just crazy about the way JRPGs have been reduced to a global laughing stock and even Japanese gamers are united in adoration of Skyrim.”

“That’s mostly because you can mod it to the gills though. Japanese game companies would just bitch about copyright or some nonsense and never allow it, so they have no chance there.”

“The fact that it took them this long to even accept just the notion of an open-field in an FF game is proof of just how empty their heads are now.”


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    Comment by Anonymous
    00:20 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    She's so hot! But old news.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    02:32 29/07/2013 # ! Drivel (-0.8)

    Nomnomnom yeah! tears!

    Comment by Anonymous

    Unless it can be modded, it can never beat skyrim.

    We need a skyrim mod.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:28 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Heh I have a mod for Skyrim to play LIghtning =D

    Comment by Tenno Seremel
    00:27 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Zombie: Who Returns “Better Than What!”

    Comment by Tenno Seremel
    00:39 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    BTW, #comments id does not seem to exist on this page…

    Comment by Anonymous

    do they really think it is approriate do discuss the cup size of lightning in a press conference/view ?

    i guess thats one of the reasons why japanese games are getting worse and worse compared to western games

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:38 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    They sound like a bunch of 12 year old boys. WE'RE GONNA MAKE THE GAME BETTER BY HAVING BIGGER BOOBIES NYEHEHE

    Comment by Anonymous

    as expected of island monkeys

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:53 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    as expected of chimpanzee, you're not so different !

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:52 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    My question is is why haven't we started talking about the increase in dick sizes, hmm? Too much boobs, need more men.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:29 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    i'm waiting for the nude mod! ooh yea

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:11 30/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Too bad you can't find a "nude mod" in real life.

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    Comment by Fresh Start!
    00:30 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Better than Skyrim."

    WTF am I reading?

    1.No mods

    2.Not on PC

    3.Linear gameplay

    Try harder...

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:33 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    FUS RO DAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:36 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Better than skyrim" ? LOL

    In Real Skyrim people can make a Final Fantasy XIII mod (include lightning as main character) on it, but can FF XIII-LR can make a "Skyrim Mod" like a Dragonborn or Fus Ro Dah ? of course NOT.

    If FF XIII-LR is full of mods, people will made a "Nude Lighting" mod for sure :D

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:08 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    first i'd include a crap ton of mod to actually make her look attractive, the nude comes after that ...

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:51 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    anyway, skyrim sucks as it's developers dump all works to modder, compare "original skyrim without mods" with FFXIII:LR

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:38 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    It is actually possible that they could make a game that is as good as Skyrim. Skyrim is 2 years old now, which means they've had plenty of time to play it themselves and figure out what makes it so good. If they were to incorporate those aspects, they really could do it.

    However it would just be their own version of Skyrim then, and not much of an accomplishment for them as a gaming company.

    They will never get the kudos for game innovation as long as they're playing catch-up to someone else, especially when the rest of the stuff they put out is crap.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:56 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    its really difficult to imagine they can do anything close to skyrim, when XIII games are complete shit, and they are now going the sexualization route of a character that was barelly sexualized, we already started to see this in XIII-2 as well, but now they have gone full blown retarded on this.

    Toriyamas obsession with lightning is also bordering on creepy and personally i cant freaking wait for SE to move on from XIII and lightning.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:27 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    skyrim took like 5 years to develop. If one of the goals was to "beat skyrim" then either they've had a change in direction mid development or the game is glorified shovelware.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:15 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    They had Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Xeno Gears, ... those were good games. They knew how to make them. They don't seem to even understand that anymore. The problem lies elsewhere.

    In order to understand why Skyrim is so good they would need to have a soul.

    Squar has lost his somewhere around Final Fantasy VII (a bit after I guess).

    In my humble opinion, FF VII was less deep than FF VI (FF3 in the US?), but there was the 3D novelty so it was not really a failure. I think the world of FF VII was still pretty open.

    After it, it seems that the "cinematic/looks" budget raised and the story/background/world details got down.
    FF VIII was a disaster (and short).
    FF IX was uninteresting (forgot most of it).
    FF X was ridiculous (gave up after a few hours).
    FF XII was an improvement, a hope to go back to the good era, partly because of the somewhat open world (finished it).
    FF XIII was an insult (my disk is somewhere in a Landfill).

    All SquareEnix do now is looking at a kind of check list with variations on superficial themes.
    D cups ? That's your target audience ? They are doing it wrong. There are many kind of adult games (some that I remember fondly of) that are perfect to deliver this kind of content. Now REAL Role Playing Games (written fully since some "genius" registered RPG to better abuse it) should be let to teams with a soul, a vision and skills.

    On that front, SquareEnix is doomed.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:35 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Oh get the fuck out about FF 8 -12, mabye leave out 11.The rest were all some of the best rpgs of there time

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:26 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    FF11 > FF12 > FF9 > FF8 > FF10. Why people hating on 11? It's the only 3D FF that actually defied all the garbage SE is putting out.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:35 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    there is no hate ON elevens?

    #people do not exist the same way
    #comments does not exist.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:48 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    "of their time" ?

    out of curiosity, if they are among the best of their time (1999-2007) what are the best ones ? What are the worst ones ?

    Remember than this period also had ... (Approximate years, and I sorted them to my tastes so I put FF9 in one of the list)

    ~1999 (FF8)
    -----------
    Planescape Torment
    Fallout 2
    System Shock 2
    Diablo
    Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner
    Baldur's Gate
    Might and Magiv VI
    Ultima IX
    Red Guard

    ~2000 (FF9)
    -----------
    Diablo II
    Tales of Eternia
    Paper Mario
    FF9
    Vagrant Story

    ~2001 (FF10)
    ------------
    Deus Ex
    Vampire: The Masquerade - Redemption
    Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
    Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance
    Shadow Hearts

    ...

    Feel free to complete it. I feel a sudden urge to play Planescape Torment 2.

    source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_role-playing_video_games:_2000_to_2001#2001

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:52 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    FF8-13 were fine with the exception of FF12, which was boring as hell. The FF games are still some of the best. People like you need to get over the past and start viewing them as stand alone games instead of whining about nostalgia.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:21 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Standalone ? Whining ? Nostalgia ?

    All "old" FF are standalone games.
    FF10 and FF13 are the only series.

    Your various choices of words is perplexing so I'll give up trying to make sense of the rest of your comment. I'll just assume "different cultural background".

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:12 30/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    XII is the best in the series.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:38 30/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    XII is the best in the FF franchise and closest thing Square got to staying current.

    Relatively open world.
    Free form battles.
    Huge number of side quests and secrets, so great replayability.
    More mature characters (no emo shits).
    Layers of history and lore that echo to current events in the game.

    The problem with Square is that it started making incoherent $60 CG movies with shitty characters and plot. They took interactivity and exploration out.

    Games like Dark Souls or GTA do well because they present deep and open worlds that players can visit over again and still find something new.

    FF franchise never fully learned how to tell a coherent and interesting story in a complex and fantastic world. Staying true to their roots just lead to stagnation.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:16 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    But Skyrim is shit.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:38 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.3)

    This is honestly depressing. They've reduced a kickass female character to a sex object. Seeing her pose like that is completely out of character for her.
    If you wanted to do this so badly, SE, why not just make a new female character instead of shitting all over one of your few decent existing ones?

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:47 29/07/2013 # ! Drivel (-0.7)

    lightning? decent? good one

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    Comment by WEL
    07:27 29/07/2013 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    true. She was never even decent to begin with, she just went from bad to worse.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:50 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I was thinking the exact same thing! Lightning was such a strong female character; it's really sad to see her flipped just to appeal to objectifying audience.
    Agreed: make a new sex toy girl vs bashing in an old one that was perfectly good.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:52 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    You are freakin out over nothing. Its just a costume, damn it. The official costume still is the main costume that define her character, and this alternate optional costume is created so Lightning look different than her usual no emotion personality..

    She will not behave like a sex toy, the story will remain the same about a journey of a unreasonably strict woman soldier. One costume, which you can choose not to buy, is not going to change her character.

    Comment by Anonymous

    lightning wasnt decent in anyway, and seeing as toriyama is freaking obsessed with her and is also a horrible director, he went with the sexualization route and made Lightning and XIII even more unbearable

    Comment by Anonymous

    What the hell do you know? Toriyama wroted/directed Lightning. If he makes her a slut then thats who she really is. Its called Word of God. lol

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    Comment by Ikuhisashiku
    02:14 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.1)

    What really irritates me about this latest change is that she really looks like a dumb bimbo. Especially this pic:
    http://images.sankakucomplex.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/miqote-lightning-1.jpg

    The vapid look on her face just goes completely against the original lightning.
    I wouldn't mind if it was some new character, but it's not.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:47 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    she looks like a soulless slave that does whatever you want from her.

    lightning was a really cool character concept sure ff xiii was not the best and all but there was potential to really turn light into a cool character. instead they did they exact opposite

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:11 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Maybe it's like with Yuna all over again and the Lightning in the picture is an imposter. lol

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    Comment by Ikuhisashiku
    04:17 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I certainly hope so, anon 04:11.
    The only way I even accept this Ligthning's existence is if it's some alternate-universe version of her. Even better would be if the original Lightning was still there as well and the two versions somehow met up.

    Otherwise, Squeenix is going to have a helluva time trying to explain this one to the Lightning fans like myself.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:27 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    More of my muh feminism comments.

    Just because she is scantly dressed does not mean she's a sexual object. Does she have some unrealistic properties? Sure but you can say that about any character.

    Besides, this is just an alternate costume, no need to get your buttmad about it. If you want your tom-boy fantasy, play with the stock or go with the preorder bonus of the SOLIDER outfit from FF7

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    Comment by Karosene
    06:58 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Feminism? Ugh, is that supposed to be some sort sexual empowerment feminism bullshit?

    I'm sure you feel real empowered after letting every douche with a popped collar drop a load on your back.

    Christ, Feminists have to some of the worst people ever.

    Comment by Anonymous

    oh boy one of those guys who blame feminism because they can't get laid.

    It's probably because you're a loser. if feminism as the issue, no men would be getting laid.

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    Comment by Ikuhisashiku
    10:36 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Anon 05:27, I think you're missing the mark by a bit.

    It's not just because she's dressed differently. That sort can be easily explained away. Sure, it's something that the original Lightning's character would _only_ wear under very specific circumstances, but she could still definitely pull it off.

    Rather, it's all the little things combining into one big screw up. The focus on her being bumped up a cup size, the newly acquired breast physics, the pose, even the look on her face... All of it seems "off" when compared to the original Lightning. Squeenix is _specifically_ targeting all of the aspects that further sexualize their character, most likely in the hopes of targeting a specific audience. Your argument that "just because she's dressed differently doesn't make her a sex object" doesn't add up. Especially not when every single thing Squeenix is doing is contradictory to that statement.

    Like I've said before, I wouldn't mind this sort of thing if it were some new character. In fact, I'd probably be one of the ones looking forward to it as well. It's just the fact that this was a pretty well established character whose entire existence they're turning around. They're adding even more salt to the wound with the fact that all this is unnecessary.

    There are plenty of ways that a character can still come off as sexy without blatantly needing a breats enlargement or dressing them in even less clothes than before. Just look at her original design. She still has plenty of appeal while wearing a lot more clothing.

    Now, I'm certainly not a feminist. I'm also not a prude. I realize well that sex does have a tendency to sell. I buy into it myself, so I can't even say anything on that front. I just don't think they're doing the original character justice with this turn they're taking on her. It's just bad writing in general to change a character's entire demeanor on a whim. And all it's likely to do is piss off the fans who loved those aspects in the character that they're now removing.

    TL;DR: Sexing up other characters = okay
    Sexing up a well established character who got by just fine without the added sex appeal = not okay

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:54 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.3)

    She's dressed as a cat-girl, of course she's a sexual object. The original Lightning would scoff at the idea of wearing anything like it. That being said, if she HAD to wear such an outfit, her giving us an "up yours" gesture would be much more believable than that sultry pose they have her in.

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    Comment by HouseLife
    05:23 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    @Ikuhisashiku

    Really we'll have to see. Making her more busty and customizable is one thing, and it's done to many characters, but we'll just have to hope they recognize that it was a small thing. Sankaku does like to focus on very small aspects of what passes for 'news' here, so there may be a context we lack in this.

    Either way I share the worry, and one of the comments is what I agree with, which is that Skyrim and Elder Scrolls in general are good for what they are, but in the end, overrated and generally weak in everything but their atmosphere. Open World is and always has been a lie, they all lacked a decent plot and appropriate character development which Square does have the infrastructure for in their games, whether people say they fail or not. There will never truly be an open world plot-driven game, as you must eventually finish it, and the plot almost always sucks unless handled correctly like Mass Effect.

    Lightning being sexualized is a bit unnerving, as her sensuality existed by default in her confident beauty. Being able to toy with her being out of character in-game by choice via outfit-switch is different, the pose in that picture is (hopefully) someone just having fun. Her expression being vapid I took to being a play on the fact that she went cat, and cat characters are always the type to be very open-minded and wide-eyed to stuff around them, so it's less of a bastardization and more of a playfulness.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:44 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Let me ask you something.

    Do Square Enix announce they will change the Lightning character? The way she behave, the way she interact, the way her stoic facial expression?

    The answer is nope. She will be the same as ever, and the DLC, the you-can-choose-not-to-buy-it costume I think only made for fun, for sake of imagination on how the stoic soldier looks if she dressed as a cat girl (a popular costume in Japan, BTW).

    That's all, and her pose, and her cloth-skin ratio is not that revealing either, I've seen worst in movie and TV shows that made for family to watch, which mean even 5 years old kids watch it..

    Its called a fanservice, and its not new in Japanese game industry.

    Chris Redfield, a stoic Resident Evil character, also get the same treatment and yet I see no whining of objectifying calling or some similar shit..

    http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/615019541106711724/6003470CB7F31044D059CA19F2DD60C95830C450/

    Its because we know Chris will remain the same, weird DLC costume or not, a costume is just a costume created so the player feel different while replaying the game with alternate so-not-like him costume.

    Chris will still hate Wesker. He will still training to beat that fuck head. He still will shoot gooey monster in further Resident Evil game and kick them in a melee attack..

    He will not turn into Bierber-esque type of person (sissy brat) just because a fan-service DLC costume.. and same apply to Lighting as well.

    The Lightning that you guys respect so much (which in my opinion, is weird as she isn't likeable to me) will not change because a cat girl costume. Her personality will remain the same, and only will change after plot demanding her to do so.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:28 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Bring back Yuna i liked her summons and she was actually designed with some taste compared to what Lighting looks like now.

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    Comment by Larry
    02:42 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    I agree she was designed at least with some (bad) taste. But at least it was from the start^^

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:39 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Stand back, I'll summon!"
    "HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA... HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA... HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA HAA!"
    "I've done it! I've, become, a summoner!"

    How about...NO!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:10 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^how about YES?

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    Comment by Olba
    04:26 29/07/2013 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Yeah, let's forget the existence of Final Fantasy X-2.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:39 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    even FFX-2 Yuna had more dignity than this.

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    Comment by HouseLife
    05:51 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (-0.3)

    I won't. That game's puzzle-based system was kind of annoying, but everything else about it was enjoyable in the sense of how they show the world shifting from the prospect of being destroyed on a regular basis to being in a state of general peace, and how everyone reacts to it.

    In case you haven't recognized from the existence of Reality TV, peace generates some rather ridiculous shit. It's believable and awesome how they showed that world and how the characters who fought so hard had difficulty adapting, and did so in an almost facetious way.

    I don't understand the morons who call it 'Charlie's Angels.' They finished that joke at the end of the friggan tutorial dungeon. It's obvious they didn't really play it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:49 29/07/2013 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Ignore HouseLife. The sequel was terrible. They clearly didn't take the girls seriously and in order to get guys to play the games they stripped them down, physically and mentally.

    Yuna was no where near as elegant or tasteful as she was in the past, and the entire story was watered down. They went from the vast struggles of the first game into Yuna stopping a war by singing pop music and using dress spheres in order to godmod other people's abilities without having to go through the experiences of learning classes. Why train to be a mage like Lulu when you can just pick up a sphere and transform and steal all the knowledge? And why bother leveling up when the creators can't even take female protagonists seriously and feel they have to make them super powerful in order to make things interesting?

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    Comment by HouseLife
    15:04 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    @ Anon 11:49

    Why is everyone so negative about that setup? Why must it always be about them being stupid or reduced as character when they are free to do what they want and they end up having fun? She was an idol in terms of her heroism, and she gained the freedom to have fun and the idolatry turned into a different type with her music. I won't pretend that they attempted to have some fun with the Yuna/Lenne or whatever her name was connection, but it wasn't done in a tasteless manner.

    I want you to pretend that you've spent your entire life training to die, every day, stuck in an encapsulated lifestyle where you have no choice but to be the hope and prayers of every single person living, otherwise you will not only be a failure to everyone, but everyone will probably die. Then I want you to imagine you're suddenly completely free of that, and have power and the respect of all people, and never had a childhood. Even if Yuna's shift was done with the idea of Otaku in mind to let her be a cute idol girl, it was not done in a bad or in-elegant way that makes it somehow as unforgivable as many people seem to make it.

    Plus, I don't quite understand your comments about dress spheres. She was a summoner and sorceress, I don't think she came in with no training or discipline. The concept may have been exaggerated, but not unbelievable. It fit the concept of taking on different personae that the entire basis of the story revolved around, them finding out who they were as people in the new world and putting on different 'acts' so to speak. It was a pretty nice metaphor I thought, and rather fun to play with.

    I just don't understand what is so hate-inducing about it. It was different, sure, but not disrespectful in its purpose (which I'll hold my breath to find out with the change in the article above). Nobody ever explains what they actually expected from it to make it so hated, all they do is whine, bitch and moan like always.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:43 29/07/2013 # ! Good (+0.6)

    I admit FF13 sucks but I do like Lighting. I like her but not in this way... even though I fapped her... it wasn't like I fapped her coz she sexually aroused me...(dont get me wrong bro, she is sexy in her own way) I fapped her with respect and dignity. But now... I can never fap her the same way I used to. I do not wanna fap this Lighting, that's for sure.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:55 29/07/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    dafuq did I just read...
    ._.

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    Comment by A
    05:06 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Nothing dignifying about fapping dude.

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    Comment by HouseLife
    05:36 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Haha, nothing undignified about it either, really. It is what it is. The convoluted description was hilariously roundabout and anecdotal in a way to describe his own distress at her being potentially stripped of that which earned respect. Being turned on by the concept of a woman who has that much strength and self-purpose is nothing to be ashamed about. If guys don't lie to themselves, most of the time they fap to the vapid girls represented by that picture above, because a woman with a mind of her own is the woman you fall for, a woman who sticks her ass out and looks at you with come-fuck-me eyes (as my friend calls them) is one who is immediately objectified and you merely imagine plowing her like a field. Watching a woman you respected turn into a shadow of her former self emotionally makes it difficult to find her attractive anymore. Except in doujinshi perhaps, since that's a fetish for some, but I imagine it has to be set up in a sexual context first so you know it's a rise and fall from grace.

    ...

    Fuck now I want to go research the sexual psychology of it!

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    Comment by A
    06:08 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Haha, nothing undignified about it either, really."

    Erm no... actually you'll find that it's not an act that dignifies someone. lol. You wouldn't venture outside and pride yourself by telling the world that you just fapped to a 2d character.

    It is 'natural', however.

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    Comment by HouseLife
    06:29 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    @A

    Hahahaha, true enough! But it can be done in a dignified way, as can sex. It's all based on our fear of discussing it and our ingrained stigmas about sex. Masturbation wouldn't be necessary if we humans had a more instinctual method of relaying our willingness to mate, but we're conscious human beings with free choice, so we have variations to cover for our heat not aligning with others :P

    The above description is just epic because of its non-give-a-shittery in how it's conveyed, so to speak. No playing around why she's beautiful or to what level, just 'I would fuck and respect that before, now I wouldn't fuck it with a stolen dick cuz she looks like a whore' basically.

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    Comment by WEL
    07:21 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    that's why his comment it's so funny. XD

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:31 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    that post gave me canser

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:41 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    This post gave twomores

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:45 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hahahaha. You made me laugh so hard, man. Thank you! XD

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:29 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    l0l bullshit, you're still gonna fap to her.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:01 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Honestly, what's wrong with you? Stop complaining. If you don't want this costume then don't use it.

    Other people will enjoy it without you.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:23 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    No, I'm serious. Downvote me all you want, but you're complaining about an optional costume.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:29 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Even further, I'm not even sure how having a sexy costume automatically makes someone a sex object. Did her role in the game somehow diminish? No?

    Did her voice change? Did her personality change? No?

    Do you even know what a sex object is?

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:38 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    ugh. Gamers can be so annoying. Some of them try so hard to demonize anything with sex appeal as sexist because they're so desperate to make an already legitimate entertainment medium legitimate.

    It's seriously the one thing gamers do that makes me not even want to interact with them anymore.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:37 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Typical American Gamer/Reviewer.

    Anything that hardly present women as sexy would be called 'sex object' blah blah blah

    Comment by Anonymous

    11:37

    Typical bitch attitude: Point out 'American' stereotypes when if applied to them would be 1000% more applicable in more ways then one.

    LAWL bitch/

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:16 29/07/2013 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Holy crap.

    With this much downvoting in pretty much all comment that trying to argue that the act is not objectifying, or other lame term invented by feminist, I am sure that there are many feminist here create an account on Sankaku just trying to inject their ideology here.

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    Comment by Kochi
    11:15 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (-0.3)

    They made her boobs bigger and bounce. I'm pretty sure that's not optional.

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    Comment by Shia-Neko
    12:42 29/07/2013 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    And that automatically makes her less of a character. Awesome logic, there.

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    Comment by Shia-Neko
    12:46 29/07/2013 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Actually, it is optional.

    "Toriyama: It actually depends on the wear you select. Sort of like supportive underwear."

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:20 29/07/2013 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Haha.. less of character? Just because she have one cat girl outfit DLC, which is pretty popular outfit in Japan, it does not make she a less of character?

    Lightning will be stoic as ever in further Final Fantasy 13(if there is any), one DLC costume will not affect her character (her personality, her facial expression, how she socialized) in the game.

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    Comment by Shia-Neko
    15:35 29/07/2013 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    Exactly. Having a DLC costume meant for fun and jiggle on some of the optional costumes isn't going to make her less of a character, so there isn't any problem here.

    Everyone should stop complaining about absolutely nothing and just not use the optional costumes that are not to their liking.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:24 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.1)

    I agree sooo much. Lightning is my favorite FF woman character and I have played all FF games and I like her because she isnt a whiny girl.
    Badass and lovely voice ;)

    But with this -.- well its japan so they have to make every woman/girl moe ffs

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:26 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    well lightning was atleast one of my fav. Already forgot yuna and lulu lol

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    Comment by WEL
    07:25 29/07/2013 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    you did not play of all of them because if not you would have said: Terra and Celes.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:20 29/07/2013 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    If Lightning is your "badass" FF girl, I feel sorry for you. You should really see some of the more legendary women in FF like Rydia (FFV), Celes and Terra (FFVI) or even Rinoa (FFVIII).

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:13 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Rinoa had to be saved six times in one game. How is that badass?

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:39 13/10/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Also, Rinoa uses her dog as a projectile. Go go animal abuse!

    Comment by Anonymous

    This and the fact that Nintendo allowed Team Ninja to make Samus a whiny bitch as well. It's becoming a fad in the Japanese video game world to take their strongest female characters and make them do a 180 to represent something they were originally not.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:29 29/07/2013 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Well, did Square said this costume define her character? Did Square mention their plan to completely change Lightning personality?

    It just a moe (as you put it) one costume made for fun, and the Lightning character herself, as you know it will not change her personality in slightest degree..

    The official dress is still the badass one, the black top with white skirt (?) and red shield thing..

    http://storage.siliconera.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/ffr1_thumb.jpg

    That is telling a lot that her personality is the same, and the DLC cat girl outfit is just for fun, for trying to play a different looking than usual Lightning.

    She is still the same kickass female, same old Lightning you used to know. One cat-girl costume will not change that, as it just an addition so the re-playability value increase.

    It always interesting to play a game with a character that wearing differently, whether its a dress weird, funny dress, moe dress, Gaga-like dress, anything that make the character looks very different.

    Comment by Tenno Seremel
    16:41 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I was with you until I read "moe."

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:10 29/07/2013 # ! Drivel (-0.8)

    she is not even sexy at the first place

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:59 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.1)

    Gay alert

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:45 29/07/2013 # ! Good (+0.8)

    How can you type so well if you're blind?

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:33 30/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    HOMO!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:08 04/08/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I agree. To be not aroused by these pair of sticks where legs should be - how is it gay?
    Ashe was strong and sexy, Lightning is not.

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    Comment by Siveria
    08:01 29/07/2013 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    Umm she was a sex object anyway, pretty much every female char in games are made to look hot/desirable, it sells games.

    I'll be honest though its not hard to make a game with better gameplay/plot than skyrim. The story in skyrim was garbage and the game play was completly dumbed down compared to oblivion.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:27 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Gameplay was a lot better than Oblivion, even though it was dumbed down. This goes to tell something about just how much suckage Oblivion gameplay was... enemies leveling up with you? In an open-world RPG? Really??? Why would I even want to level up then in the first place??? And don't get me started on what that meant if you didn't pursue a melee or attack magic-based career...

    Morrowind still the best TES though in terms of both gameplay and atmosphere. Though mods have come a long way to make Skyrim come close at least in the latter discipline.

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    Comment by Accelerator
    10:23 29/07/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Yeah, Vanilla Skyrim is quite a plain/boring game. It's only real appeal is the plethora of mods it has.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:45 29/07/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Being attractive does not make one a sex object. I do not think the phrase means what you think it means.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:03 30/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    they needed a way to try make some money from all their recent failures so to lure guys in put a slutty looking girl in it and give her less and less clothes and hope that makes the game sell.










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