40% of Young Japanese: “Marriage Is Worthless!”
- Categories: Japan, News
- Date: Jul 1, 2013 13:10 JST
- Tags: Comparison, Dating, Marriage, Money, Relationships, Statistics
Japan’s younger generations increasingly fail to see the point of marriage at all, with a survey of 37,000 revealing some 40% feel the institution “has no merit.”
A survey of 37,610 Japanese asking the question “Do you agree with the sentiment that ‘I don’t understand the merits of marriage’?” found some distinctly negative attitudes to the merits of marriage in abundance.
Of the total, 33.5% agreed that the merits of wedlock were hard to fathom, still leaving a respectable majority of 66.5% of the opinion the institution has some merit.
However, broken down by age, the younger generations were drastically less likely to see the point of marriage, and the most enthusiastic support seems to come from geriatrics:
・Teens: 38.0％
・Twenties: 39.1％
・Thirties: 40.5％
・Forties: 35.9％
・Fifties: 27.2％
・Sixties: 19.7％
・Seventies: 14.3％
・Eighties: 15.3％
Leaving aside the question of whether they experience much choice in the matter anyway, the online masses are generally of the “meritless” persuasion:
“If you’ve no money the demerits obviously outweigh the merits.”
“Spending your life with someone you love seems a pretty big merit?”
“Nobody doesn’t understand the merits I think. It’s just that weighed against the demerits it is pretty lacking for them.”
“People who weigh the pros and cons like that probably should not get married. Unless they are OK with becoming someone’s exclusive ATM, anyway.”
“Nobody who weighs it up is going to get married. It takes transient extremes of passion and emotion.”
“Seeing my old classmates with families does kind of make me want to marry.”
“Being 25 at a class reunion and being surrounded by people with families was psychologically taxing. They were talking about nothing but kids and married life and I had nothing to say.”
“Don’t worry. A few years from now the same lot will be moaning about how much they regret it, how badly they need a divorce, and how horrendous their money troubles are. Let the newly-weds make hay while the sun shines.”
“I’m just left wondering what my kids would have been like if I had got married back then.”
“All the merits are stuff like a household and social standing… which are becoming much less necessary.”
“I got married and honestly shouldn’t have. But kids are good!”
“All the people around me in their forties and fifties are constantly divorcing and adultery is rife amongst them. Other than as a contractual basis for raising children I don’t see the point.
“I’m left wondering how many of these hard-working fathers are spending decades raising another man’s seed…”
“The merits and demerits really tend to change depending on what’s going on in your life.”
“For women the merit of being able to economically parasitise a man is very clear, but for men there really isn’t much merit.”
“There are no merits to a man any longer. You really have to try hard to make it look good.”
“I basically see marriage as agreeing to be host to a leech which will drain your essence completely. If only my sow of a wife would disappear somehow…”
“No merit. But in your late thirties it can be painful with the way people look at you.”
“Really? Just point out how free you are to pursue your goals in life without marriage tying you down.”
“You’ll need a 3LDK residence near a station, and even in the countryside you can expect to blow half your paycheck just on that. Impossible.”
“Take a look at the wages on offer at the job centre. Nobody could raise a family on those. Instead of just blaming young people the government might want to look at those.”
“I just don’t see the point of marriage (with a non-virgin).”
“Come on, marrying the love of your life is a pretty big merit however you look at it!”
“You guys who see only demerits are weaklings! What, you think marriage means you do everything your wife tells you!?”
“Merits! Date someone and if you want to spend more time together marry!”
“What, you think you can be together with someone if you don’t marry?”
“It is nothing but merits for women. I’d like to have seen them separate these results by gender…”
“That’s because the whole point of it is to benefit the woman. It would be mostly demerits to any working woman too.”
“Let’s not forget, the official statistics show 237,000 couples divorced in the last year and they estimate a third of marriages end this way.”
“If a third pull off a divorce, expect another third to want one but be unable to get it for whatever circumstance, leaving perhaps a third in happy marriages? Those are not good odds, I wouldn’t take that bet.”
“You singletons, who’ll look after you when you’re sick or injured? Do you even have girlfriends?”
“A delivery health session once a week is good enough for me. A new type of girl every time!”
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Why are people looking at this like "I gotta weigh the pros and cons" instead of "This is the person I love. I can see myself with him/her for the rest of my life, Hell or high water"
If you're looking at marriage with 'yay or nay' you're not ready for marriage. Then again, younger people don't think that far ahead.
true =/
love is a delusion, temporally emotion, see how many divorce are
I wont call love as delusion, but love do can be a temporary emotion.
The divorce rate is alarming, I agree with that.
Preached in the Church of Suzumiya Haruhi.
I'm a member of that church. That's where I learned to be a badass and create my own reality and have other peoples worlds revolve around me as you've seen here on sankaku.
Because people tend to know what happens to love or rest or life if you try to give form the reins.
calling the people that think about the consequences of their actions before they act the once that "dont think that far ahead". yeah, makes sense.....
finding that special person that you trust to not cheat on you or use your hard earned money on things nether of you can afford. or at the very least some one who truly loves you and would never divorce you because he or she feels that they wasted there life being married to you
However, if someone is unwilling to cheat on me, or steal my money, they are unattractive to me.
Thus, I am left at something of an impasse.
Better a boring life than an excitement of life with nothing but chaos.
Usually people who go solely based off of love get blind sided by "real" things like money, bills, debts, responsibilities, difference in values, and etc. Kinda kills the love mood when you got to talk about getting food on the table and what not >.>
Trying to get a higher perspective on the matter, eh?
remembers me about the little girl picture scribbled with some words: "you are high as fuck".
Except you can't see your self with him/her for the rest of your life. Theres no way to know for certain if a marriage will last, people often don't know the person they, "love" nearly as well as they think they do, people change over time, and sometimes people can love each other but be completely incompatible with one another.
The fact is marriage is completely outdated concept in modern society, a relic from a bygone era that persists for no other reason than because its tradition.
So you're saying somebody that decides to get married simply because they love their partner is thinking further ahead than the person who actively weighs the pros and cons of marriage?
Ok.
Is it wrong that I suspect you're a female?
no i am not saying anything anymore.
its not WONG 2 suspect that I could be a jaybird.
Hell im still just trying to get laid man. Marriage is like some strange alien from a different planet for me right now.
It's overrated, dude. My girlfriend has me eat her out for 10 minutes, then comes in 5 minutes and complains her pussy hurts and pushes me off. She's actually a nice person, but really I'd rather just fap to 2D.
What you've described is failing to think farther ahead. Decision-making is badly impaired in the limerent. People give their fullest trust to the ones they love, only to be taken for a ride in the legal system when their one and only decides to split. I've seen so many guys marry the girl of their dreams, have a kid, then immediately, the woman leaves and starts drawing child support. It's brutal, but all too common. Best to consider all the possibilities when you still have some objectivity - then try to maintain it when you're deeply in love with someone, thinking "they'd never betray me... but I promised myself I'd consider they might."
“Being 25 at a class reunion and being surrounded by people with families was psychologically taxing. They were talking about nothing but kids and married life and I had nothing to say.”
lol, that's the worst possible reason to get married :D
They all are the worst possible, really.
But sometimes you just have to get that citizenship or whatever - and fast.
I know how you feel, I'm the last person in my family (cousins, uncles, and others) who is not married and has 10+ kids. NO thanks to that head-ache I enjoy being alone.
i tought like that for years and years, but the loneliness eventually got to me, im 35 now and in an estable relatiship, not yet living together but almost and the nights i spend with her are the best (and not just for the sex i assure you)the company is important, she works part time also so she isnt even expensive
dude, not talking of prostitutes here
I don't think he meant prostitute. I think he meant just sex-friends relationship. Where you share hobbies, talk, dinner, have sex, but nothing more. No living together, no hard plans, no children. Just a bro with a vagina.
Because of failure today's women are, dating and the hope of a prosperous marriage is a following no different than any other mindless cult-like religion that takes people with uneducated extreme beliefs to support.
Blaming women is worthless, really, as each woman is different. From what I have noticed, what is destroying marriage is not as simple as someone acting stupid, or making mistakes.
It took me a long time to determine what my ideal woman would have, and I kept hearing 'intelligent, nice, good looking' and all those generic things that never mean anything. And I finally determined, in one trait, what leads to everything being better for both parties across the board. I want to be with a woman who has the ability to think beyond herself, and is willing to expand on what she knows no matter the topic.
That's not to say that she has to be interested in everything, merely that she won't childishly shoot down something much like most of the people here would for something.
A woman (or man, it works both ways) willing to consider something they are unaware of, or something new, or even a conflicting idea, is also willing to discuss and grow as a human being in the face of that new information. That means that a fat man/woman would be willing to lose weight to please their partner and vice versa, be willing to try new things and look into their hobbies, and recognize when they are being awkward unnecessarily and attempt to find the source of it with their partner. It's not about changing who you are or they are, but coming to an understanding what the two of you are to yourselves and each other. You don't stupidly hold in things that annoy you, but discuss it, recognizing that it's you who are annoyed about their actions, not a problem with their actions, and together you uncover your psychological quirks and grow together.
That's a true relationship. It's why you can be the one to look into your best friend's eyes and say "You're a fat fuck and you're going to die if you don't lose weight. Here's what we're going to do, we're going to the gym together three times a week. I'm going to do this with you and we're going to get healthy."
Many of the people who spend all their time online are too selfish to understand what it means to grow as human beings in the face of adversity. Put simply, if you're honest with yourself, most, if not all of us, are cowards in some form or another.
"Many of the people who spend all their time online are too selfish to understand what it means to grow as human beings in the face of adversity. "
-That is not limited to people who spend their time online. Its most all people. A part of human nature.
Your story on your ideal woman is all fine and dandy. Problem is, there is a microscopic minority of women like that. That's how I can fault women. They could get their shit together, they just don't and take the easy ways out in life. For even the very very very few women like that out there, I doubt anyone reading this can even think of one woman in their life like that if they're honest with themselves and not just trying to argue with me, there are statictically just not enough of them to pair with all of their male seekers. Thus it makes more sense to either come up with alternatives to women like in time of eve, or to continually bash them into common sense because they are quicker to respond to the jerks than the nice guys. Part of their flawed female nature. Or you can do both, as I do.
@houselife reply
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/members/taylor/activity/915127
Nah you just a pussy, can't be a 'jock' if you tried because they just laugh at your ass.
Hate what you cannot obtain. Why don't you just come out like george takai and declare yourself?
Yes because everyone disinterested in women is so because they cannot 'obtain one'. You could have also chosen the Im gay route and completed your logic and critical thinking ability of a 12 year old argument.
@Taylor, that's actually what he did. George Takai is gay so by saying what he did he is indeed calling you gay.
Taylor doesn't understand logic so don't bother explaining
@2120
I actually stopped reading after his first sentence. But thanks for pointing out that I'd predicted his 7th grade argument.
Taylor is actually right (marriage is archaic and doesn't really do much today). And why does not having an interest in women mean you are gay? I'm not interested because I do not want to deal with all the bullshit they bring with them.
@ Anon 22:25
Because them it's a lie. Not being interested in women, and not being interested in the bullshit surrounding a relationship are two separate things entirely. You are very, very interested in women and probably masturbate to women regularly like most men.
The difference is our willingness or desire to attempt to sift through a sea of possibility following social norms by which we can find what we could constitute as our ideal woman or ideal relationship. The issue most people don't recognize is, like I mentioned in my other post, I'll bet money that you can't even clearly identify what your perfect relationship would look like in detail. There's a strong chance that you, like most people, expect a relationship to be shallow and straight-forward, which is why anime appeals to us, but the reality is we have to learn new things to be in a relationship, and face truths we otherwise choose to ignore. We see people who try to avoid those truths in shitty relationships that tug in other directions and rightfully see that as modern relationships, because we have evidence for it. The reality is it's because our cultural perceptions are incorrect, not the people within them.
People give up because it's the nature of weak minds in certain perspectives to give up. We may be incredibly intelligent in certain areas, and in others, pants-on-head retarded. And most of us are weak minded in one, if not many places in our life.
"Because them it's a lie. Not being interested in women, and not being interested in the bullshit surrounding a relationship are two separate things entirely. You are very, very interested in women and probably masturbate to women regularly like most men."
They are not two separate issues because you do not commonly get one without the other. A cheeseburger is a cheeseburger, because of cheese, and a burger. You can't separate them and still call it a cheeseburger. Women overwhelmingly more often than not come with bullshit. Guys are very simple beings. Eat sleep sex occasional meaningful conversation = happy. Its women who fuck up the rotation.
Masturbating to women doesn't mean you have any real interest in the,. It means you're interested in sex and in the sexual parts of women. Not the women themselves unless you're saying all women are any good for are their sexual parts, then I'd be compelled to agree with you.
"The difference is our willingness or desire to attempt to sift through a sea of possibility...."
-In this paragraph, again as in the case of most of your posts, its nothing but idealism. First of all humans are complicated and ever changing. Narrowing down exactly what type of woman or relationship a person wants down to the T is near impossible for any dynamic intelligent thinking lifeform. It's always going to change, you're always going to be influenced by something and change your mind, or you'll learn more and grow or mature or become more cynical. The you of 5 years ago doesn't want the same type of girl and relationship as the you of now or the you of 5 years from now. Your advice leads to nowhere. Not to mention the fact even if you can think it up, then you have to miraculously find this perfect person, AND THEN even if you can do that and you got the PERFECT person that you drew up in your head, it STILL doesn't guarantee a happy life or that she isnt going to cheat or lie or give you a std or do all the other terrible shit women do. It also possible that you can be deceived and lied to and who you thought u married isn't who you thought they were. Or that you made a mistake in thinking of what you wanted after getting it, realizing you were wrong. How many times do people think they found a perfect or great person only to break up later. AND even if u think up a perfect person, in these types of situations humans are more emotional than logical, you could still end up falling for a person nothing like what u had in mind and it could be great or terrible for you. Your idealism is full of holes.
"People give up because it's the nature of weak minds in certain perspectives to give up. "
My weak mind was able to see a thousand flaws in your plan. But if you think going forward with it anyway is 'strength' then go for it.
Wow, you are, like, so smart and stuff.
A typical mongrel boy doing his daily mental gymnastics. Its inferiority is obvious with every single time it opens its mouth to bitch. They act like they know some shit then slink away when bitch slapped haha
didn't you use that mental gymnastics line on the other thread already? how hard was it for you to remember to keep typing it and not accidentally say he lol.
@Taylor is my new god. One every post about women there is a comment from Taylor. 5 Scathing replies follow which Taylor swiftly hammers back into place.
Welcome to the Revolution.
Its funny to see people mad because he's right, and instead of tackling the issue being discussed, those anons just remain anons and attack his personal character.
You exemplify the meaning "Forever Alone" and least you are doing it of free will or you are incredibly lonely and just rationalizing it that way to make yourself feel better
I vote the latter.
Im a forever alone. your internet memes hurt my feelings so bad. weep weep.
Oh, how cute! Someone's being clever and trying to troll! D'awwwww. ^_^
I have come to the conclusion that Taylor's hatred of real women stems from the fact that he is so repugnant that he couldn't get laid by a starving prostitute who was half passed out on cheap liquor.
I helps his ego to imagine that it is the women who are repugnant and that he is rejecting them.
He is, of course, a pathetic moron.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but using logic will surely hurt you.
I'd talk about my disposable income and quiet nights sleeping.