FF14: “Some Things Never Change”




Between the enduring willingness of Japanese players to queue for hours in a virtual world, the ineptitude of Square Enix for still not having fixed the game to stop them having to, or the howls of rage echoing through Eorzea as the zone they were all queuing up to get into bugged and had to be taken down, Final Fantasy XIV’s rebirth is shaping up to be as controversial as ever.

Scenes of gloriously entertaining queuing action have been proving particularly provocative:




These of course are nothing new:




There has been the usual puzzled reflection amongst Japanese as to what it is about their race which compels them to form orderly queues even in online games (although in fairness were it possible to freely PK the scene would likely be one of as much carnage as any US server):

“Even in 14 people are still doing this!”

“Look at the length of those queues…”

“What kind of hell is this, we have to queue for hours even in our games now?”

“What a gloriously well behaved people we are to do this.”

“Why, it’s a damn beta!?”

“It’s FF11 all over again.”

“It’s like this stupid game hasn’t progressed at all in all these years.”

“These players are complete tools.”

“What’s amazing is that they haven’t all decided to quit.”

“This is too surreal.”

“The queues are even longer than they were in FF11…”

“This is awful. Not again.”

“The foreigners are going to be scratching their heads about us again.”

“The great mystery of FF11 continues.”

“Not much of a test if everyone queues up like this, shouldn’t they all pile in and make sure it can take it?”

“Forget players who are willing to queue – the problem here is a game which is still badly designed enough to require this sort of behaviour.”

“It’s the users who choose to queue, not the game which makes them!”

“It’s server zones they are queuing up to get into. If you don’t queue, when 30 people try to get into a zone continuously you just have 1 in 30 chances of getting through. It’s messed up.”

“I guess at least there is something fun about the beta.”

“Square Enix are just going to ignore this as they did in all the other games.”

“Come on guys, let’s cut in.”

“God I wish they would enable PvP.”

“And at the end the zone everyone was trying to get into bugged and they scheduled a restart of it, and ordered everyone out of the zone. Those poor queuers…”

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    Comment by Anonymous
    08:54 16/06/2013 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Oh man the memories. I remember queuing in lines all the time in ff11 for things like BCNMs and quests/missions.

    As bad as it sounds, the player base in ff11 had REALLY GOOD etiquette. Why? Because everyone is WAY more invested in their main character (smurfs basically did not exist aside from crafting mules) due to the job system.

    So getting a bad rep on your main, was a surefire way to ostracize yourself (and your guild) from the community.

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    Comment by Rya
    15:46 16/06/2013 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Society forces you to be nice and orderly and do things you don't really want to do and the only benefit is that you can be a part of said society. If everyone feels like that this society is superficial, fake and people will never really connect with each other. Welcome to the real world.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:53 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    But this is a bloody online world! Here you can do other things.

    Comment by Anonymous

    NOBODY forces you to be nice. That's the most stupid thing I've ever hear. BUT YOU ARE EXPECTED TO BE NICE otherwise nobody will ever like you. Would you like someone who treats you like shit? obvsly NOT. And it's fucking normal to not connect with people cos the people you get to know well are your FAMILY AND CLOSE FRIENDS. From all the people you will meet in your life you will only connect with a 5% or so...

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:59 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    So you don't get punished for being an asshole or people look down on you? You are the only one that I know of then, that does not.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:29 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    You do realize that this is not even a released product. Noone is invested in their character. This was an early Beta of the game to work out the issues that would occur when large quantities of people hit the various services and story parts.
    Everything will be wiped in a few weeks for the final beta portion. The game itself does not even release until around the end of August.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:08 01/07/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    you can clearly call this a bug can should be fixed :3

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:33 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Who cares what others think... it's a fucking game. Sure you need to know how to behave if you don't want to get banned, but queueing is just ridiculous. Games are supposed to be fun, queuing is not fun and neither it is mandatory. I see no logic here.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:39 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    when end game content requires a group to deal with, thats when you care...

    in everquest, i couldn't give a fuck about others opinions on me, i can solo damn near all the way to max level if i so choose, but in a game where 1 character rules them all... id probably not call someone a dildo licker so freely on the world chat.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:29 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is not "just" a game. If it were a single player game, it wouldn't matter; anarchy can reign. But there are other real people playing this Massively Multiplayer Game, and you shouldn't lose the golden rule just because a person is behind a virtual avatar.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:25 18/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    This isn't a competitive game, dumbass. There's no PvP.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:31 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yes, imagine FPS games if everyone could get along. It would be so much more pleasant.

    Terrorist: "Good day, counterterrorists! It's a fine afternoon. The sun is shining, the birds are chirping. Would you like to join me on a walk?"

    Counterterrorist: "Hello Terrorist! I must say, it is a glorious day indeed. I would love to join you, but I just got in line for a helicopter ride."

    Terrorist: "I see. Oh, here the helicopter comes now."

    Counterterrorist: "Yes, we're having target practice with that rock over there."

    Terrorist: "Oh, splendid! Mind if I have a go?"

    Counterterrorist: "Sure, I don't see why not. Here, have my place in line."

    Terrorist: "Hoo-rah!"

    Comment by Anonymous

    Games usually bring out our true selves, because we can hide behind our virtual avatars and stay anonymous. Just because you're an asshole doesn't mean everybody has to be.

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    Comment by DieHardjagged
    21:29 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    He is right, you can do what ever the fuck you like, really? Staying in line for a queue? Are you FUCKING Kidding me?
    Its a Game, just fuck everyone else, its all for themselfs, Japanese are just fucking stupid for doing this.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:26 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    No fuck that. That is Square Enix being lazy and not fixing their shit. When this game goes live you're paying for it monthly. No one should sit in a fucking line upgrade that back bone to accept request to do a 3 min instance.

    Comment by Anonymous

    >PK caring about rep

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:36 16/06/2013 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Yeah this guy could never be as badass as Haseo.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:23 16/06/2013 # ! Good (+0.7)

    Reminds me of certain porn videos, in which countless men stand in queue to have their turn with one girl... so far I've only seen that with Japanese people. The equivalent in Western porn would be everyone ganging up on her together or every guy gets his own girl lol

    But this is truly something I like about Japanese people, they are well-behaved. I grew up in Western Europe... and I could only dream of such behavior.
    Bus/train arrive, people crowd around, push 'n shove, everyone wants to get in first. Forming a line? Unthinkable -_-
    People talk loudly, kids have their music on pretty loudly... people spit on the streets, throw trash everywhere, etc.
    As a well-behaved and introverted person, I'd prefer the calmness of Japan (not saying they are perfect lol)

    Then again... standing in queue in an online game? That's ridiculous... no idea what bug there is, but I would lose interest waiting like that. Maybe all of them talk or do some activity games while waiting? Would be more acceptable^^

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:19 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Dude that behaviour you are talking about, where is it? Japanese people do all you said. Specially young people.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    18:54 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fuck off, twat.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:47 16/06/2013 # ! Good (+0.6)

    They are not queuing really, they are qqing.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:41 16/06/2013 # ! Good (+0.6)

    “The foreigners are going to be scratching their heads about us again.”

    Well, actually, i'm laughing my ass off right know. Scratching my head didn't feel like the right reaction to this.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:40 18/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    the funny thing is people were lining up on the Western beta, too.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:33 16/06/2013 # ! Good (+0.6)

    This is just a bug in a beta, SanCom being biased as usual

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    Comment by A
    10:49 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Oh my god, a bug in the beta stage of a product. How unorthodox.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:52 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    In fact, this is the third FF-related article (in a row, by the way) I see here which is extremely biased and close-minded. The queue reality is present in ALMOST EVERY MMORPG, man, even Guild Wars 2... And surprise: NOTHING positive said about the game, even though there ARE good things to say about it.

    The author of these articles is trying too hard now, really. Bandwagoning on FF's "failures" to the max. He/she should just make an article called "I hate FF!" and be done with it, to be honest. It is unhealthy for him/her to be doing this, trying to get people on his/her side instead of openly admit it...

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    Comment by Conduit

    Biases are sometimes justified. Fact is FFXIV sucked balls, it failed utterly as an MMO, and so far nothing has been shown of a realm reborn that would make anyone with a bit of common sense believe that it'll be any better.

    Comment by no
    20:36 18/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    "and so far nothing has been shown of a realm reborn that would make anyone with a bit of common sense believe that it'll be any better."

    Common sense means nothing if you're just flat out ignorant.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:11 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    In Soviet Japan, the queue fuck you.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:58 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    In Soviet Japan rules fuck you!

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:16 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    The only reason those queues are so long is because the quests they're for are bugged. There's an error just in trying to enter the battle so it takes longer to get people in and out if anyone can get in at all.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:21 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    in WoW there'd just be a mass of people standing on top of the portal.

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    Comment by Ciscotaku
    08:32 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    i tried like 3 different times to get into wow for friends. i was never able to. ff11 was more my style lol

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:51 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Same here. My cousin play Wow, my former housemate play Wow, and my current housemate also play Wow every day, but I just can't get into the game.

    Comment by no
    08:00 16/06/2013 # ! Good (+0.4)

    You do realize that the game is still in beta testing, right? Oh wait, this is SanCom, let me put on my irrational, sensationalist hat-FINAL FANTASY SUCKS!

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    Comment by SpideyPHL
    10:48 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Typical SC sensationalist stuff, for sure. I do remember those FFXI queue days (that was for the NPC fellow if I remember correctly), but this new team for FFXIV will probably change it after hearing the complaints because they're willing to admit mistakes.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:21 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I'm in the beta and I have never seen this happen on the US/EN servers of Final Fantasy 14. No lines for anything. Maybe the Japanese are dumb enough to think the NPC can only talk to one person at a time.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:30 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    I seen it in the US/EN server just not that bad. I just said fuck it and cut in line. Who's going to stop me? The wambulance?

    Comment by Anonymous

    Maybe this should be a "Japanese show how polite they are over other countries by waiting in line hours, days, even years, while the rude brutish countries cut in line, spam chat with politics and Obama-care, can bitch about the lack of pvp" thread.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:26 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ive never played a beta with lines in it no

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    Comment by Anonymous
    08:06 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    This appears to be more of an issue with core game mechanics rather than a matter of debugging and refining. Not like it's in alpha. If they planned to implement a better way to get in a zone, it would have been implemented early because its kind of important.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:47 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    The mechanic is "you click on item, you get in quest instance." It works perfectly fine with most of the quests that use it, there's just a few (like the sword in the stump pictured above) that are bugged and will only create a very small number of instances for some reason. A few others that were similarly bugged have already been fixed.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:32 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I just started playing yesterday for the PS3 beta, it's true every main story boss fight so far, or side quest boss fight so far has been instanced there were no lines whatsoever, there are "Zoned" fights, forgot what they were called that anyone that's in the area can join in, if they meet the criteria, they will get the rewards, if not you just helped for nothing lol...but yeah those fights are actually pretty fun. Still too early to say whether I really like it as I only played a couple hours exploring the town and doing some quests, but got to level 8, and did a few main story fights, you can solo the whole main story from what i've been told. so it's not forcing you to join in groups but i'm told if you want he kick ass items you gotta join in groups of various sizes to get them...but I'm not there yet. this is just SanCom doing what it does best Troll its user base...ENJOY being Trolled.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:30 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Apparently you didn't play WoW Beta and Early Vanilla WoW, EQ at all or any other mmo.

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    Comment by Avalon
    00:51 17/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Except it's not. Anyone actually playing the game knows it's a bug and not working as intended. But then idiot sites like SanCom pull out their bullshit and make people like you think there's something wrong with the game itself.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:53 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    MMOs don't follow the traditional software lifecycle. They are constantly in development and can change drastically post release.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:48 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    Most MMOs don't though. After a MMO is finished, development team gets disbanded or it starts developing another game. The game they made is left in the hands of live team that deals with things like bugs, events, etc. If some new content ever gets added, it was most likely made when the game was still in development. Of course not all MMOs are like this, but over 90% of them are.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:39 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    They are still using pre Y-2-K software so only 1 at a time allowed and 99 is the highest number their software can use before resetting to 0?

    Comment by Anonymous

    You do know that beta means its pretty much nearing completion. And its not the first time it was like this while SE didn't do squat about it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:07 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Typically, beta means "feature complete". It implies that no new features or major changes will be implemented. Ideally, the beta lasts as long as the lead developer says it does, although in practice it's almost always until the board of directors decides they want to release. Many curses have been said in circumstances where the former disagrees with the later.

    Anyway, the idea of a beta is to fix issues, not just bugs. This kind of issue is a good example of what you want to fix in that period.

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    Comment by Juno
    13:52 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I'm also in the beta. Though game mechanics are all set in and just getting debugged, most of the big features are being reserved for actual players in the real game.

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    Comment by macona
    12:23 16/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm on the beta. There are bugs and it does need a bit of polish.

    Comment by no
    20:31 18/06/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    So your proposed scenario is that they scrapped the original FFXIV, basically remake the whole fucking game, then address every complaint the original game got and admit their fault while spending fortunes to rebuild their image just to do it all over again? Makes fucking sense!

    Comment by Anonymous

    chill out fanboy!!

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    Comment by A

    Oh look... sankaku is hating on Final Fantasy so I must jump on board with this hate, because that makes me cool.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Sorry but FF does suck.

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