“Goth Loli” Most Loathed by Japanese Men
- Categories: Japan, News
- Date: Apr 19, 2013 07:24 JST
- Tags: Dating, Fashion, Gothic Lolita, Gyaru, Relationships, Statistics
Whereas Japanese women unerringly singled out otaku fashion, Japanese men quizzed on what they think the worst fashion excesses of their womenfolk are have targeted the more extreme fashion tribes for their opprobrium – most notably the darkly frilly excesses of the gothic lolita.
Of the men put to question, 32.4% reported having come across terribly dressed women – much lower than the proportion of women who thought the same of men – and gothic lolita fashion was singled out as particularly dreadful:
“Girls dressed all in black in lolita or punk styles – they are certainly restricting their pool of eligible men.” – 25-year-old IT worker
“Goth lolis are just too flashy!” – 47-year-old “creative” worker
“Ugly girls dressed in goth loli style…” – 29-year-old office worker
Others were concerned with overly flashy or distinctive fashion choices:
“I saw a girl dressed all in aomoji-kei [a Harajuku fashion tribe embodied by the likes of Kyary Pamyu Pamyu] whose fashion choices evidently ignored completely appealing to men.” – 35-year-old school administrator
“Overly flashy or individual fashion, it’s like they are only interested in their own appearance.” – 28-year-old IT worker
However, dressing too plainly also attracted plenty of criticism, with those who managed to dress “like old women” also deemed just as undesirable.
There was understandably some concern about women who dressed like sex workers:
“When they are dressed all in animal skin patterns you can only think one thing…” – 33-year-old retail worker
“I think women gussied up in glitzy cabaret club styles are a bit behind the times to be honest.” – 30-year-old machinist
And with women who were just too sexily dressed for the tastes of the latter day herbivorous Japanese male:
“Clothes which overly emphasise cleavage are just too much for me.” – 33-year-old retailer
“Highly exposing fashion for the benefit of attracting male attention just draw the eye too much.” – 33-year-old “other” worker
“Low rise jeans and visible pantsu are not something I favour – especially when the girl may not have the figure for it.” – 29-year-old service worker
Despite the emphasis Japanese men and women both place on “kawaii” looks, it is still possible to look too childish:
“Knee high socks on a middle-aged women!” – 26-year-old IT worker
“I saw a women in her twenties with a randosel…” – 26-year-old school administrator
“With girls decked out in kiddy fashion you do not get any sense of their adult beauty.” – 26-year-old metallurgist
Specific items singled out by name were sneakers, “dasai-T” (Fuuka-chan style T-shirts) and “tattoo tights.”
Surprisingly, gyaru-type fashion was barely mentioned – with only one complaint about the notorious excesses of “yamanba” fashion.
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I'm surprised considering the amount of fandom of Kuroneko.
And Stocking!
♪Heaven, please sing for me a song of life.♪
2d != 3d
These are non-otaku men.
Exactly, otaku men know (or should know) what's good.
Anti-otakuu
These are non-otaku men.
To be honest... I'm too. I thought most liked gothic loli like this.
“Ugly girls dressed in goth loli style.."
"..especially when the girl may not have the figure for it"
"...middle-aged women"
The issue here isn't exactly the fashion, but rather ugly, fat, and old women trying to dress like someone they aren't.
Japanese men having a issue with women at the age of 20 and up dressing up in Gothic clothing they want someone that is 14 through 18 to be consider Loli.
Japanese girls from 10-40 look all the same age...
Why is this an issue? Let people wear whatever the fuck they want.
only ugly people use this argument
But that will come off as ugly and desperate, why should that be acceptable?
Make a convincing argument as to why but should not.
I was refering to the Japanese men's way of thinking, from their phrases, they don't care about what the girl is wearing....BUT, as a person who has mistakingly glaced in the direction of a whale disguised as a woman, wearing a tube top and a miniskirt, bending over to pick up a quarter and showing everyone her dental floss g-string wedged in between two of the biggest blubberyest top dollar Christmas hams, I would think that some clothing options for some people should be ruled a crime against humanity.
It'd be more, you know, efficient if people wore clothes that accentuate their particular charm points, so to say. Such as women with pronounced (big, dark) eyebrows: everyone loves Mugi-chan. (The haters love her too.)
A fat woman wearing gothloli stuff? Ok, maybe it'll never be any better for her later on. (Maybe she can pull off a fat loli, though realistically she'd be too delusional.) But that's a very slim justification.
There's really a lot of this "girls primping to appear for other girls (heterosexually)" in this article. And to be sure I'm annoyed by this also. (C'mon, stop shaving your goddamn eyebrows. They can't be that nasty.)
the problem is, they only care about what they're wearing if they're under 16
My goth loli can't be this old.
nor ugly!
“Ugly girls dressed in goth loli style…” xDDD
Cute girls are fine dressing in anything, bro. That's what he meant!
i still would do her
(than just fap)
Confucius say: "Goth Loli should only be worn by lolis."
Exactly, goth loli on a loli response is, "Super cute!" Goth loli on an old hag response is, "Bitch, act your age."
Japanese woman under 40 still look like in their teens anyways.
We share the same excuse
i happen to know one in her early thirties. still palatable, i'd say.
Gothic loli is the best ( and cute one )
But Gothic Lolita ws invented by the Visual Kei artist Mana who is male.
Hell no! Kogals, ganguro and especially yamambas are much worse than goth lolita any way you look at it. It's just that goth lolita fashion should be limited to lolis and otoko-no-ko's only.
Ganguro and yamambas honestly scares me.
You haven't seen their fake tanned nippy yet, huh?
YIPPE!
I'd take a goth loli over a ganguro or yamambas any day of the week.
Actually I would not touch a ganguro or yamambas with a ten foot pole.
I'd bang any japanese subculture chick, TBveryfuckingH
The problem with Goth Loli is that a good Goth Loli look is difficult to pull off. The body build and skin tone that works in Goth Loli is very specific.
Unless you're an emaciated shut-in who has never seen the sun in years, with skin white like leavened dough, no one's pulling a decent goth-anything.
If tanning to get ganguro looks then there should be some fashion items that can make skin look paler. If it doesn't exist then it'll be good business to take advantage of. In fact if there are weekend lasting powders then it'll be more of a sales item so the goth can go back to work on Monday morning.
THIS
Amen to this.
Lolis are cute, no matter what type.
Scumbag sankaku, using a not cute and older gothic loli when they got some this cute: http://idol.sankakucomplex.com/post/show/349716
we talk about "most" of goth, not special one ;)
Both this and the poll with women had a comment about "individual" fashion and being "only interested in their own apperance." Well, no shit, why shouldn't they be interested in only their own appearance? Outside of certain situations, wearing clothes just to impress others is retarded.
I like gothic loli fashion and almost all types of attire too. Its a shame not everyone can appreciate it.
Pink and white gothic lolita fashion is a very viable alternative if you dislike dark and moody tones.
You guy know not about goodie n charisma of gothloli,
Apologize to my Kuroneko!
For me it's definitely the ganguro/gyaro which is a major turn off. Basically everything about it screams "Hey look at me, I'm a cumdump for the local yakuza".
Dumbasses; thats the -point- of goth loli. They're not dressing that way for you. Camaflouging they're body line is intentional.
The fetishization of the subculture, however, was not.
But goth lolis are adorabllllllle~!
I'll take gyaru over goth loli any day.
Then you're a tougher man than me. That's like picking between lethal injection or ingesting hemlock.
man did I enjoy living in Taiwan during 2005 to 2006. Had a very special little friend who would wear those clothes for me, who knew they sell sexy childrens clothes in Shilin nightmarket.