The manners of Comiket 83 attendees have been coming under fire after photographs of their “vast piles” of garbage were circulated online, with many seemingly keen to blame it on the barbarous habits of foreigners – although non-Japanese could be forgiven for complaining about a certain amount of overreaction as well…
Non-Japanese are in any case probably more likely to be astonished at how little rubbish the passage of some 170,000 people left – but by Japanese standards (which are, despite public spaces being almost uniformly devoid of bins, usually fairly immaculate – with the possible exception of cigarette butts) this apparently qualifies as a “Chinese” level of trash:
“Come on attendees! What is with this level of garbage!”
“It never used to be like this, there was never any trash. But in recent years…”
“We’re becoming more and more like the Chinese.”
“They’re as bad as train spotters.”
“The first day is nothing but pigs and fujoshi, can’t be helped.”
“If you don’t clean up your acts you’ll get the event cancelled!”
“The people who left all this garbage weren’t otaku, they were just groups of resellers and Chinese.”
“This isn’t some Korean city slum! Japanese should clean up their mess!”
“We’re not quite at the Korean level yet. It’s only ethnic Koreans who’d do a thing like that.”
“This was just because of the foreigners.”
“Right, the dirty Koreans were probably behind it, not us Japanese.”
“Get the police in to clear out the kids and illegal foreigners and it will improve.”
“Even if only 1% do it, at this scale that is thousands of people. It’s an international event, so there are Koreans and Chinese here as well, they can’t keep races with no manners out completely so it gets like this.”
“Lately idiots and foreigners really have increased.”
“Deal with your garbage people! If you can’t manage basic manners you shouldn’t come to Comiket!”
“Japanese are pretty uncouth as well.”
“Blame it on the mainstream attendees who come now.”
“This is what you’d expect from creepy otaku.”
“It is getting worse in recent years. Take it home or take it to the bins at a convenience store if you have to.”
“What can you expect from Japanese!”
“Events like this should be cancelled!”
“What, did you people somehow think otaku were better than other people?”
“I’m not defending this but you have to expect this from big crowds.”
“You people bring up Chinese and Koreans for something like this, but it happens all the time here too so what are you on about?”
“Actually I think there wasn’t too much considering how many people there were.”
“You think otaku are bad? Haven’t you ever seen the aftermath of hanami or a BBQ, with commoners?”
“Well, this isn’t bad compared to those events. But what I’m saying is it has got worse recently.”
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As a dirty foreigner WHO WAS THERE YESTERDAY:
This is obviously staged to find the worst examples. There were sanitation crews all over Big Sight hauling away bins of trash non-stop. These are just areas they hadn't got to in an hour.
And these pictures are ALL from the walkway between Big Sight and Kokusai-Tenjijo Station, where the food vendors and scalpers were set up all day. So yes, THIS IS vendor trash.
They are actually talking about the Japanese from the other islands as Foreingers.
No, they were talking about anyone who is not a pure blood 'japanese', like usual. That includes ainu & okinawans, along with koreans, chinese, etc.
Meh, I just think of Japan as that naggy super jewish mother-in-law who constantly reminds you to convert every end of year. Doesn't like foreigners but accepts it in some twisted manner but still has her daughter's best interest... Mrs.Lenoff....
they hate muggle that much?
Oh no! Big crowds bring trash!
I can verify what ryusoma said there. What I saw along the way wasn't as bad as the photos seem to portray.
BTW, Arte, to follow up on your previous story on the Kuroke no Basketball groups being barred because of one hater making a terrorist threat to the authorities. I have seen the astonishing effect of one idiot's words with my own eyes at the rows of empty booths at East Hall today on Day 2.
At first I even thought those booths sure were popular to be emptied by 2pm (booths open from 10am to 4pm), but when I asked the staff, I quickly understood right away.
F'in animals don't know how to clean up after themselves. Pathetic.
I was in the komiket too and I didn't see any trash like that
This is where Comiket takes place, idiot. And learn how to spell. WTF is 'komiket'?
“You people bring up Chinese and Koreans for something like this, but it happens all the time here too so what are you on about?” and “Japanese are pretty uncouth as well.”
When I see things like this, it gives me a spiders thread of hope that 2ch isn't 100% racist, hypocritical whiny ass motherfuckers behind a monitor in the safety of their room.
“What, did you people somehow think otaku were better than other people?”
This one gets me thinking, are Japanese otaku's generally racist or nationalistic? Or is it just a 2ch thing? Considering past events of otaku's jumping the bandwagon for nationalistic support it does pique my curiosity. Like do we apply the same view as say weeaboo or japanohphile who has to hate everything that isn't Japanese?
Go away! You terrible gaijin.
300k people on the first day. It has nothing to do with race or ethics or whatever.
Comiket is getting popular and with popularity comes mess, it can't be avoided, and no amount of pointing the finger is going to rectify the situation.
exact. I was at Comiket two years ago and it was so crowded that several times you couldn't even walk properly through the corridors. how you expect someone in this situation to throw his garbage in the proper place? it is impossible to have bins everywhere too, so naturally it will start to be thrown everywhere.
the only thing that can be done in this case is prohibit the people to distribute flyers there, since they are first thing to be discarded.
That's the thing though, non-Japanese think it can't be helped, while Japanese just keep their trash with them until they can dispose it at a proper place.
They way different cultures view things is the real difference here.
Isn't that usually a japanese comment?
Whatever the (negative) consequence, "It can't be helped~"
Even shit like Comic Fiesta is crowded to the point that you're touching elbows with people in a gigantic never ending line of people.
Comiket is even worse then that..
I agree. 500,000 people or more show up for the 3 day, bi-annual event.
Crowds buying tons of stuff including snacks equals a mess esp if there is not enough trash cans and no one is emptying them.
Don't speak as if you know what you're talking about. If you've ever been to Japan (which based on your based, I guarantee you have not), Japan is truly an immaculate country. Garbage cans are not at every street corner like in most Western countries, yet somehow, the streets are kept litter free. Why is that? Well, it is simply based upon their culture. Now your argument that the more people you have, the more likely you'll find an idiot (or idiots). That is true, but with a country that has a lot more people than you can imagine, condensed in an extremely small area, yet somehow still remains pristine, your argument is no longer valid.
Based on your based? lol what the fuck are you talking about. If YOU have ever been to Japan, or - well - any event with a large number of people - YOU would know it is far from immaculate.
There is a huge difference between a massively populated city or area spread miles and 300,000+ individuals at a single event.
Don't speak as if you know what you're talking about.
I've been to the fireworks festival in Asakusa held every year to a crowd of just less than one million people in a reasonably small area. Most people were sitting on cardboard boxes, drinking and having picnics. Guys were going around selling pizza and icecream. No less than 10 minutes after the last firework, there wasn't as much as a chewing gum wrapper on the ground.
Not everywhere is perfect, but they're pretty fucking clean.
I've lived in Japan for 6 years. It's certainly cleaner than most countries I've lived but it isn't immaculate. Cigarette butts and beer cans are easy to find. Bento trays are all over the place, especially in coastal areas. Bubble gum on gaming machines and under seats. Still a whole lot better than in SE Asia but it ain't perfect.
I live in one of the worst european countrys that has grounds so dirty and full of litter that some times makes me gag... Not to mention the ruined/old falling buildings... And i taught myself never to litter the floors... And yes theres trash bins everywhere... but ppl still dont care. You can learn to be civilized by yourself, its not hard to distinguish from right to wrong. I wish i could live in Japan or Canada...
Some mild issues with the disposal may still be present, though. There is at least one camera-equipped trashcan banning unauthorized personnel from throwing away their refuse there.
I'm not him but I have lived in Japan for a few months and it was cleanner than any other country I have been. Even cities in developed countries with a lower population density and with a bunch of garbage bins every blocks the streets can't be compared to Japanese streets.
If you guys want know the secret behind how Japanese people can keep their public space so clean, I will let you guys know. All Japanese people were taught to hold the garbage, either in a bag or in their pocket, until they see a trash can or bring it home and throw it in the trash from there. I been in Japan myself and learned to do this very thing. Now, it feels natural to do it.
@Anon 10:06 it's good to see someone from Japan make an honest post.
Like the anon (08:46) said, you idiots need to distinguish between "large events" and "your-ordinary-populated-areas".
weeboo alert.....well it is sancocku after all.
Well, I'm glad at least some of the comments aren't so blatantly racist. There are trashy people EVERYWHERE, no matter where you live. Even with 300k people there, all it takes is like 100 bad apples to do the fairly limited amount of damage shown.
If anything, it's the fault of the organizers for not hiring more people to clean up. All you really would've needed is a handful of people to go around picking up trash and emptying the bins.
Well there are actually many intelligent comments, but they are rather long, maybe that's why they didn't get posted here. It's not about the race but about the age of the people.
I find it funny how you un-educated people keep saying "Race" ...the "Race" is "Asian", the Nationality is "japanese", "Korean", or "Chinese"...if your gonna be racist, hate against an actual different RACE.
The "race" is called "mongoloid", you idiots. "Asian" refers to the continent of origin.
That remember some frenchies. And the pic some street in Paris lool.
Just look how clean is the Tokyo's subway and the Paris one lool.
Anon 06:34
I'm not sure if you're aware of this but most japanese refer to anyone who is not japanese as a Gaijin (foreigner).
If you're going to tell anyone to start being more specific about nationality when referring to other races you should start with the japanese.
You must be new here.
You havn't been to japan often i assume... I live in Canada and by no means do i think we have trash issues... but one thing i noticed in japan is there is zero trash... anywhere... If i saw this whiile i was there? i would of been shocked. Japanese people don't really do this kinda stuff.
Dude I live in Canada too. You went to Japan, but have you been to Comiket? I went to C81, and I saw a little of this when I went. And I'm not shocked.
What you really should be saying is that there is zero trash *IN MOST PLACES*.
Yes of course, Japanese people tend to be very much cleaner. But Comiket and similar conventions are EXCEPTIONAL cases. People have to stand and sit for 12 hours in line for this event. Naturally, 1 in 100 people might drop something, even accidentally in this long period. With the increasingly humungous volume of attendees, you get this situation. It's pretty understandable once you think about it.
-For the record, I did not liter at C81.
As I recall, many Japanese post pictures of their wonderful rooms, many which are in a mess with empty cup of noodles and soda bottles everywhere, which they so proudly show off. So quick to blame others *sigh*
True that.
I live in a country reputed for being clean. We got people hired by the government to clean our streets every single day, and even your average pedestrian would usually collect trash from the ground to throw away in the next trash bin.
Still, whenever there's a big event (and believe me if I say my country's size and population doesn't even compare to Japan's), at the end of the day the streets would be flooded with garbage.
Yet we've never blamed foreigners for our dirty streets. It wouldn't make sense anyways, since our Events are rarely interesting to foreigners in the first place.
The last international event we've had was during some soccer championship, and our streets weren't much dirtier after that than after any other event.
Japan's once again just showing how Racist they can be. Don't let it bother you.
In the first place, there tends to be very very few bins around. Secondly, none of the people working as staff for comiket are hired (other than the people manning the industry booths). All the people doing the setting up and maintaining the order around are volunteers. If anything, I would say the organizers did a rather good job, its really the scumbags among the participants who are spoiling it all.
"not hiring more people to clean up" lolololol
They're basically all volunteers.
100 bad foreigners.
Oh noes your comment is so offensive, I think I will go cry myself to sleep.
Bad Troll is bad.
Even if people are making an effort to throw all their trash away things will still get messy if the trash bins are overflowing.
Every time someone on 2Ch says "Foreigner" or "Korean", replace it with "Reptile people"
I laughed so much envisioning "reptile people" my iced tea went up my nose!
I kept thinking of Yuuka from Nichijou when she was asked what she wanted to be when she grew up and she said "A Frill Necked Lizard. Made my day,thanks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLtNmJHDSwY
The New World Order reptilians trashed it up just so they can make foreigners look bad.
EXACTLY! Don't forget Grey man too!
No proof it was foreigners who left the trash and if you don't provide rubbish bins you will get a grand mess.
Just do the NYC solution and provide more cans and hire a couple of guys for cleanup.
WE CALL THEM BU##HOLES..
SHOULD TRANSLATE WELL..
triti
Ancient Aliens did it.
I'm not saying it was aliens, but...
That's what they want you to think, Jensom.
It's the illuminati which is headed by ancient alien astronauts.