Chinese Americans: “GTFO Japs!”

Or we can all just stfu about this retarted never-ending argument of "go back where you came from" and we can all just go back africa where we all came from.
OR we can all just try to get along because its not like the planet is getting any bigger and we're all stuck here anyways.

p.s. Native Americans came from the mongolia/russia region, so they're not even 'from' america. Argument is invalid.

So, treat those that did nothing wrong as if they did something wrong just because they're related to someone that did do something wrong. That doesn't solve anything, it just makes those punishing the innocent (or the guilty by association) the same as the one they're punishing because of. =(

the point is, and i'm not the same anon or even american, you cant blame the descendants for the mistakes of their ancestors, thats plainly retarded that people still think this way

I think you just answered yourself, it's their ancestors who did the crime, punishing them (the descendants) for that crime will be like humiliating your great-great-great grandson for your stupid comment....

08:49 Who in turn massacred and enslaved OTHER native americans long before europeans came earliest eleventh century. Not to mention they are migrants from the old world also, and never 'appeared' in the Americas, but descended from Africans and Europeans.

The problem is the "ancestors" can take advantage of the situation by going to a place and make a lot of children. When they grow up this "innocent" generation have a "legitimate" claim to the land and displace the native people.
For a real world example, look what Turkey is doing to Cyprus.

I must agree on this, i have the feeling that my ancestors were Norwegians? XD

I like the first part of your argument. However, going by "oldest" claim, you gotta admit that Native Americans have quite a few centuries on European Americans and stuff.

The last part of your argument was moronic, however.

Recent archaelogical discoveries have found out that comparing European civilisation to American civilisation when the European conquerors and stuff arrived would be like comparing Japanese civilisation in Nagasaki to modern day American civilisation, that is to say that we were basically visiting a place that was "after the end" post zombie apocalypse. Boom. Busted.

And actually, Native Americans (under which I'm including all native peoples from kunas to cheyenne) have very notable achivements. Very.

Southern US populations have an unparalleled understanding of plant breeding and ecology, as well as ancient Peruvians. Take for example, corn. This is a plant that literally cannot reproduce without human help. Corn grains do not fall out, corn ears have to be picked and then plucked of their grains. It was bred that way. Unlike with wheat or rice, there isn't a single plant in the wild that looks like corn, it is THAT modified.

After much genetic testing, however, it was found out that corn's direct genetic ancestor is a plant called tezontle. A whole ear of tezontle is less nutritious than a single grain of corn. If corn were to have an epidemy so severe that all the produce dies off (not that unlikely since most corn in the world is genetically identical) we'll be having a) a food crisis (do you know how many things come out of corn???) and b) banging our heads on tables because we don't know HOW THE FUCK a bunch of ancient people managed it.

When the people on the Mayflower arrived to the Americas, they didn't pick that place just because. They did it because it was full of produce and there was someting of a village there. Also, European arrivers to modern day Northern USA reported that the trees were evenly spaced and that there were "streets" so wide that two carriages in opposite directions could go through it with no problem, and there were patches of edible plants located around these roads. It wasn't a concidence, the Natives literally tamed the environment in which they lived!!! Wich is more than us, modern day people, can say (we aren't very patient, we'll just blast our way thorugh it).

Going a bit more down under, Aztecs came up with the notion, even before the Europeans, that all Aztec citizens of the empire who weren't being sacrificed were equal and deserving of education. Their city market was as big as modern day Madrid. They were creative enough to make swords out of obsidian and wood despite irion being difficult to come by in Mexico. And those swords macauhtli, were reported to be so sharp and so heavy that they could swipe the head of a horse off wth a single stroke or a couple of swishes. It was truly a terrifying thing (Spanish people chronicled everything).

Of course, we can talk about Mayan calendars, having been more precise for goddamn centuries, or how advaced their astronomical calculations were (more so than any European ones were despite not having the advantage of a telescope, and Asia is just left behind). This is from what we can deduce. Because we can't read the fucking glyphs we WON'T ever know how much they know!!! Maybe they were already pioneering the notion that we rotated around the sun, seeing as they tracked many celestial bodies. Maybe the had the circumpherence of the Earth determined, just like Eratosthenes. We don't know. We don't fucking know.

And again, the taming of the environment. They were capable of sustaining a population of millions out of the pitiful soil of the Central American jungle. And, again, we don't know HOW THE FUCK they did it. Have you ever heard of "quema y roza"? It's a farming method used by people in Central America and the Amazon, in which a patch of jungle is burnt, razed to the ground and farmed until the nutrients in the soil are used up. This is mainly a subsistence farming technique, but many people with lots of land and the best technology can offer also do it because the soil is just THAT poor in general (this is one of the leading causes of deforestation). Mayans could farm their land for centuries, sustainably in the middle of the jungle without so much devastation and we can't even manage to feed a family out of some puny patch of land? How the fuck they did it? And great patches of "virgin" jungle are fairly young, the mayans had tamed it. How? We don't know.

I could go on and on abotu many of the American Natives achievements, or just concentrate in North America and kind of take it from there, but the main hting is that your point doesn't hold water, especially in the face of new archaelogical discoveries.

Some people especulate that, had the Natives had tiem to develop, we wouldn't be talking of European conquistadors, but of the "Great Aztec Empire or something". (Of course, some people also say that had CHina had stopped being all high and mighty and moronic it would have conquered the whole world by the 7th century or so).

(Historic speculation is pretty much all up in the air.).

Can't compare.

I need to ammend a couple of thing, if people bothered to read the wall of text:

1) comparing Japanese civilisation in Nagasaki to modern day American civilisation, SHOULD BE comparing Japanese civlisation in Nagasaki afterthe bomb to modern-day Americna civilisation around that time.

2) Their city market was as big as modern day Madrid. SHOULD BE Their city market was as big as the conquistador's Madrid.
(It's true. Tenochtitlan's market was 8km2, sam as the Madrid of that time :D)

I gotta admit that I sued to belive the same old bulshit that Europeans >>>> Natives until I came across some article by chance and then dug up more stuff around hte libraries and otehr wise. I was left with two distinct impressions:

a) "Wow!!!! Our Natives WERE badass"
b) "Why the fuck don't they teach this shit in school?"

13:18 LAWL so much asspain. Those 'scum of the world' are fucking your women day in day out.

Do you make yourself feel better everyday claiming to speak for the 'natives' when they think of your type of people even worse then whites? They will laugh in your face if any uppity cunt tries to act chummy with them because they aren't white. See they have more dignity than your kind and don't run their mouths so easy.

It has been said over and over again: They are migrants, not natives. They were not defenseless, and for a good time as a whole they outnumbered europeans and had knowledge of the terrain, established warfare tactics, etc in an age when bows and axes were better at killing more than muskets in that particular terrain. They never practiced 'multiculturalism' they never accepted others. They paid for their idiocy in being in a land they did not originate in and had practices that make US slavery look tame in comparison. They are the only dirty ones, trying to revise history now and trying to play the victim when their kind was worse in being welcoming of outsiders. At least Whites advance whether world likes it or not.

Also, serious lol at mexico for being a child of spanish imperialism, losing imperialist territories by a war they started with raiding US, than getting their asses kicked and having mexico city occupied by US forces, and thinking they are 'natives' when Aztlan means 'White nation' and aztecs were far worse in slavery and invasion than US ever has been.

14:57

HAHAHAHA DEM ASSPAIN. How pricked do you have to be to try and write a textbook on a porn site and advertise the fact you pick out half-baked, biased, pretentious cherry picked opinions and present them as facts and showing us how hard you are trying to convince yourself these 'native' people were not idiotic?

WE DON"T KNOW HOW. MYSTICAL AND GODLIKE ANCIENT PEOPLE. How pathetic do you have to get?

Mayan Calendar is in NO WAY accurate or useful as Julian and Egyptian Calendar. This is a proven fact. Also, they did not 'tame' the jungle. They lived in them, traveled in them, but never tamed them. Where are the extensive infrastructures? Where are the great systems of governance, advanced level of so-called astronomy that egyptians and greeks acheived far before any meso americans? Not to mention these so-called 'mathematical' and 'scientific' acheivements are not only not systematic, they are riddled with superstitions, assumptions, and ignorant mysticism that makes alchemy look like modern chemistry in comparison.

Your 'point' is nothing but refuting the common notion that meso americans were 'savages', which, like any common notion, including your so-called understanding of the western achievements, is bullshit. Careful examination and archaeological discoveries all lead to one conclusion: While the tribes and kingdoms of the 'native population' were not outright savages, material evidence are but illusional trappings of civilization that conceals a great deal of base savagery and mystic idiocy that permeated every level of these so-called 'natives' who practiced slavery and invasion to the degree that makes european conquest look almost like a liberation in comparison.

I also love how you try to spin ancient forms of irrigation, city structure as some kind of proto-modern form of urban planning and infrastructure as if Mayflower arrived to paved streets and bustling towns. You must be really desperate to think that these people Your words are not about facts, which shows that these people were even at best no more advanced than anyone else in the ancient age, but about over glorifying the MYSTERIOUS ANCIENT SECRET WISDOM of AWESOME PEOPLES to comfort yourself which anyone would find amusing.

Also, don't ever throw around 'ONLY IF WE HAD THE TIME' crap. You are making excuses left and right for things that didn't turn out as you liked, and every evidence suggests these people lived in a manner which no modern person, especially a posh, first-world problem bitching idiot like you would be capable of knowing. Not to mention that you only try to refute common notion, not facts that say these people were at best only advanced to world back in 100 CE while Rome along achieved so much more almost a hundred and fifty years before at the beginning of Pax Romana.

Do yourself a favor and lose your fantasies of 'OH THEY WERE SO GREAT AND SMART' to comfort yourself while living in the reality built and maintained by European innovations and ideas that even allows you to bitch and think as pathetically as you do.

14:57 Write a fucking thesis.