China to US: “How’d You Like It If Japan Claimed Hawaii?”
- Categories: Japan, News
- Date: Sep 2, 2012 01:54 JST
- Tags: China, Hawaii, Mass Media, New York, Okinawa, Politics, Senkaku Complex, USA
China’s latest ploy to ensure universal acceptance of its ancient and inalienable claim to the Senkaku isles has been to take out an ad in the New York Times asking Americans how they would react to Japan inexplicably claiming Hawaii – although some have pointed out comparisons of Japan claiming Hawaii to China claiming parts of Okinawa may be rather more appropriate than intended.
In this case, a Chinese businessman and self-proclaimed “ambassador of peace” took out a half-page ad (half of which was in Chinese in case the other message was not clear enough) in the New York Times, none too subtly attempting to push the Pearl Harbor button in the feeble minds of its American readers:
How would Americans feel, and what would America do, if Japan announced that Hawaii was its territory?
A call for peace to prevent Japan’s claim on China’s Diaoyu Islands
Chen Guangbiao, citizen of China and ambassador of peace, solemnly declares to the U.S. government and the American people:
•The Diaoyu Islands have been part of China since antiquity.
•Japan’s right wing is now violating China’s territorial sovereignty and threatening the stability and security of the Asia Pacific region.
•The Diaoyu Islands dispute and Japan’s so-called move to nationalize the islands, were incited by Japan’s right wing and should be steadfastly protested.
•I call on the U.S government and people everywhere to condemn Japan’s provocative behavior.
By contrast, landing a boatload of rabid Chinese nationalists on the islands is of course entirely unprovocative, as – like Taiwan and the South China Sea – the islands are eternally sacred Chinese territory.
The practice of East Asian nationalists attempting to drag US public opinion into their corner by advertising in influential US papers itself has lately become quite common – South Korea in particular being keen on attempting to burnish its eternal victimhood with adverts condemning the evil of the Japanese, not a difficult sell to some Americans by any means.
Amongst Japanese online his efforts have met with the expected derision:
“This is pushing it a bit far.”
“Since when have we ever claimed Hawaii?”
“Nobody is saying Hawaii is Japanese territory…”
“If Japan did claim Hawaii, which has never been under any form of Japanese control, then that would be tantamount to a declaration of war. What is China trying to say here?”
“Saipan would have been a more realistic example.”
“China should return Tibet and maybe then people will take notice of it in these matters.”
“Hawaii is probably a bad example considering American used its military to invade it in the first place.”
“Maybe he just thinks Japanese think that because he knows they like Hawaii? Not that anyone does think like that.”
“Claiming Hawaii sounds more like something China would do.”
“You can tell where they will be looking in future.”
“Dragging Americans who barely know the facts about the dispute in is pretty low.”
“The guy behind the ad is the worst kind of poseur, hanging around disaster zones to make himself look heroic as he does:”
“It seems badly thought out considering it invites Americans to think Japan should be just as angry over the Senkaku islands as they would be if someone claimed Hawaii.”
“So now the Americans know how we feel, well done China.”
“So what if Japan (China) claimed Hawaii (Senkaku)?”
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As a American I believe the Chinese government is completely evil. I'm sure most American believe too. No mater if it belongs to them or not it's best that China's evil doesn't expand.
I have to agree here, all forms of tyranny are a pox on the road map that is human history. Unfortunately, humanity will always have psychopaths who grasp for and obtain power. The Chinese government is just a ticking time bomb.
And America is one that's already exploded many times and will continue to do so for years to come. Japan had its time during the late 19th and early 20th century, but is inert for the time being.
China has never invaded any sovereign nation in its entire 5000 years of history. The threat of their tyranny to the world is quite low compared to some of the other governments that are the subject of patriotism for American Wapanese here on SanCom.
Uhm, Inner Mongolia, Tibet, and that muslim land say hi.
How quickly people forget about little Tibet. That was so recent, I am honestly surprised to hear someone doesn't know about it.
Considering the explosive potential in their cheaply made products, it's a short fuse indeed.
If the Chinese government is evil, how about the United States?What did you Americans do in Vietnam?! We ask for the territory we owned before. Nevertheless, your army kills civilians around the world but fails to give them peace and security.
Chinese dog detected.
Territory you haven't owned in 100 years isn't yours. Kinda like how TIBET was yours too, right? And Indian Kashmir, Taiwan.. the list of places that aren't PRC but somehow belong to China goes on and on.
If only the British had the balls to burn Hong Kong to the ground before giving it away.
Tibet is part of Qing dynasty which means it's part of China more than 100 years.
Same goes for Taiwan. Taiwan is also part of Qing dynasty. Taiwan and Tibet have been part of China for more than 100 years.
So... by your logic the US should be divided up by a bunch of European countries again, cause, they used to belong that way.
Fucking fail logic.
Even if you have owned terriroty before doesn't mean you'll own it forever.
That's what wars are there for. Fact is, china lost those isles and after the Americans left Japan, they gave it back to them.
Some ultra-nationalists here are claiming land with opinions. Oh dear.
Oh, shut the fuck up, you retard. Everybody knows China is the shittiest country on the planet. On my trip to Japan, I met like twenty Chinese people, and even they said your government is an evil pile of trash.
I admit that my government is an evil pile of trash because of the large number of greedy officals. But it doesn't matter the territorial dispute. The lsles belangs to all the Chinese people.
And those Chinese people care why?
It's only the nationalists or those greedy officials, who want that strategic location in case of conflict that they are probably planning right now.
Those islands are just rocks. I bet the oil beneath is what the Chinese government is really after. Makes China no different from the petrol-addicted United States.
Obviously they don't belong to China, or they'd be part of China now or even some time in recent history.
You lose land, you lose it. You want it back? Invade. No I don't want a war, but that's how the world/land exchange typically works and has for thousands of years.
Just sayin...
It would be true they belonged to the Chinese if it was currently chinese territory.
Wars happen all the time, for thousands of years lands have constantly changed hands either via force or treaty.
There's nothing special about this case other than the fact that China is raising a big stink.
No the land doesn't belong to the chinese, it belongs to whoever currently occupies it.
Is this right? Not my place to say, but it's also not China's place to say they own something that they don't, just because they once did.
@Halley. The US failed to do in Vietnam what it did in Korea; halt the expansion of Communism. Compare North and South Korea today. Tell me, what peace and security does South Korea lack?
(my English is not good)I hate North Korea either, so do all my friends. I always think that North Korea and China during the period of cultural revolution is the same. North Korea belongs to Kim Jeong-eun and his family. I don't admit that it is Communism. South Korea &Japan are different from Vietnam&Afghanistan&Iraq, because these two countris shelter under the US nuclear umbrella against China. They need it so people in two countries would like to submit thenselves to the rule of the US.
Fuck China, a bad country. Gov of china want t
fuck china and han majority.
I'm pretty sure that if China was to start a war or invade that island, noone would do anything about it. If China were to start sending troops and occupying that land, what's Japan gonna do? Cry to America about it? Even so, American companies got too many contact and industry in China to take wage war on China. And besides, what CAN Japan do? They can only send probably 100s of "peacekeepers" to there while China's got billions of people. Most of which are the government's tools so Japan's greatly outnumbered anyways.
@10:16
Actually it's the other way around. There are plenty of other sources of cheap labour in the world. If US based corporations were to move their manufacturing somewhere else, then the Chinese economic bubble is going to explode like... well like everything Chinese. To the rest of the world, it's going to be another inconvenient economic crisis. To China, it's going to be an untold disaster.
So much fail in this statement. Where the fuck to begin?
territories doesn't mean a shit.
what matters if you can defend or take over your possessions by any means.
america didn't belong to americans, it belonged to the "native americans" which are just western indians. who were forced out of their land by the formerly british troops.
if china really wants that island, they can just start a war over it and actually do something about it instead of bitching to other countries for help.
Be a man, do your own damn thing.
america didnt belong to americans? read your statement again, dumbfuck. your putting the horse before the carriage.
yes, I've read my statement again, and I don't see what's wrong with it. if you call yourself American, do you mean you are the descendants of the people in Europe who killed and pillaged the land of the western Indians who was already living there and claimed it as their own? or do you mean you were the descendant of the Indians who got pillaged or raped and then you were born into? either way, American became America because the land got taken over by other people. Who then established and claimed the land as America.
@10:12
america didnt belong to americans? you make it seem as if the land always belonged to "americans" or europeans, it didnt. oh, and fyi its the United States of America not America. We do not represent the entirety of the north and south american continents, so do not use the term american unless you plan on representing both continents not one country.
Hah. Invoking Vietnam as a verbal attack against the US / defense of China's policies. That's hilarious.
I guess China doesn't teach its students that they invaded Vietnam a few years after the US left.
I guess the US was too busy brainwashing its students with biased facts written by US historians on what really happened after the US troops ran away like dogs after the Vietnam War.
Follow your own advice maybe and find out what really happened? Congress forced a retreat, with all the protests and problems on our own soil, we didnt have the resources to continue, the U.S. beat itself in Vietnam. The Vietnamese did follow Sun Tsu though, and did fairly well defending, plus their use of prostitutes was genius.
China for centuries has painted the land of Vietnam with the blood of Vietnamese. The first thing Red China did after America withdrew from Vietnam was to send military troops into Vietnam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
Wow, Wikipedia. The most unreliable shit source written by amateurs. Vietnam was constantly harassing the Chinese border back then, just like what they are doing in the South China Sea nowadays. Oh, and did the article mention how much money and supplies China sent to Vietnam during/after the Vietnam War? Send military first thing my ass.
It's kind of funny how ppl say "Hey fuck off china, you lost in war, you don't get the islands".
Guess what they'll be sayin if China actually does go to war and take the islands? Hint: it's not going to be "Hey great job china, you deserved them".
You know what bothers me? For years they've been in diplomatic negotiations to work out a deal where they can share the oil reserves. In the past decade they've been completely unable to reach an acceptable compromise between themselves, and it has since devolved into this BS.
Politics is basically the adult variation of kindergarden recess.
As an Australian, your grasp of the use of English should be dealt with before you get into any political debate.
criminal descendants should not be speaking.
As an American citizen, you should be more worried about your own government.
i agree, people are always looking out the window and never notice what's going on in the house.
That's one thing US citizens need to wake up and realize is that their government is slowly becoming like China's in some ways though more akin to a certain form of government that took hold in Germany and Italy in the 1930s.
I'm not chinese, but China has not invaded two countries without a reason in the last decade, murdering millions, just for profit.
I don't care how china or the US government handles their people. They can all burn for all I care, but to us outsiders, the US government is far, far worse than chinas.
All the Contra stuff. Installing murderous dictatorships all over south america. Vietnam.
China did nothing even remotely close to that.
You are aware that the founder of the current Chinese government was responsible for more deaths than any nation at any time in current history. You could add up all the current wars together and have a lower kill count.
@04:36
Chinese crimes do not excuse US crimes. While the US may not directly execute people, they do far more damage indirectly. Nice try through.
@06:41 use spell check or read your comment before you post it.
04:19 Honestly, I wish my government would stop "helping" all of you foreigners. Regan should have let the Soviets have Pakistan, etc. Saddam can have Kuwait, etc. Let Egypt fall into civil war. All those Africans can go kill another and die of AIDS. And to hell with sending our people into your natural disaster locations too. I hope you get washed out to sea, you cocksucker.
@08:45 well, it's not like we really ask them to help. so fuck off!!
@08:45 Wow, could you really? Could you!? That'd be great! Now only if you could also convince your government to stop being a fucking world police taskforce, that'd be great.
Finally! Someone who understands no one ever asked you for your fucking help.
I'm not an American.
But, holy cow. I don't think you can say that China hasn't done anything 'even remotely close to that'.
Does invading, occupying, and committing genocide against the people of Tibet count?
Does creating and supporting the Khmer Rouge, North Korea, and tyrannical regimes across the world count?
Do the mass killings and human rights violations of their own people count? Oh, wait no. 'They can all burn' for all you care.
What a nice guy you are! A real humanitarian.
Oh, and of course, American cocaine trafficking is worse than the thousands of illegal and dangerous chemicals that the Chinese pour into their products every day.
No, America is not 'far far worse'. I don't know where you live, but Europe owes everything that it has to the United States. So does Canada. So does Japan. That's why we let them run the world, even if they sometimes do a fucking terrible job of it.
But really, I'm sure the Chinese will be great world leaders some day. At least for the outsiders. Yeah. Totally. Just look at their track record.
@13:12 don't forget Tiananmen Square
Indeed. It's amusing how people concern themselves with other country's government while they've done nothing about their own.
has the Chinese government started wars in the other nations without any reason? never, but American have.
American's "democracy" services themself, enslaves the whole world. Who are evil?
Even american gov. does evil things. Just because you believe everything the propaganda US media tell you is wrong with china, look around american and see how we fallen so far. In my mind set china is doing 2x better then america. American street are messed up, school the childern arent learn anything, we're in a war with the world really everything isnt ok.
after objective analysis of both sides of the argument, i have come to the conclusion that senkaku complex is biased
You got that just now?
I agree. There isn't enough detail on the negative implications that will result if China were allowed to claim land through bragging rights. This website is clearly biased towards
China. In fact if you check the URL, it makes fun of Japan by calling Senkaku Sankaku.
you do realise that sankaku means three sided right?
Your sarcasm detector must be off )
Welcome to Sankau. Where being double standard and hypocritical gets you brownie points if you're American.
All governments who are above the law are evil.
The government's purpose is to be public servants. Since when did the servants get served by their masters?
So yeah... The moment the servants seeks service, then they're evil.
This blanket statement is just not true. What matters is the attitude of the rulers, not how they rule.
Democracy exists to account for human flaws. Our tendency to selfishness is the problem, not how we govern our societies.
A hypothetical flawless rational and genuinely compassionate despot would result in a society much better than anything that has ever existed on earth.
There is no "flawless rational and genuinely compassionate despot". Power corrupts. That's why we are better of with many controlling each other than with one controlling everything.
That's why anon 05:57 said 'hypothetical'. Obviously, no such person exists.
I hate that saying. power doesn't corrupt, but it has a tendancy to attract highly corruptable people. Saying that is like a fat guy saying the pie made him eat it.
note that that means the human race is made entirely of ravinous out of control fat people who mindlessly devour everything in site.
@09:16
Such people probably _do_ exist (surely there ought to be one among all 7+9e monkeys on our space rock), but good luck getting them into power. Even better, good luck keeping them in power when every single power hungry control freak would be trying to assassinate them and usurp the power for themselves.
The fundamental problem with despotism is that despots die. Human history has plenty of examples where nations prosper under competent leaders only to apart by under complacent successors.
@11:22
Oops. Guilty.
US is as evil as China u know, How many country that have experience US bring "Democrazy" to their land.
In term of evil ness, China lv of evil only gang school boys and US is the yakuza
Tyranny in all it's forms is a disease.
The PRC is a good example of said disease at an advanced state of progression.
Please...The American government is also evil. Not that I am supporting China, but the way you are putting it is like saying the pot calling the kettle black.
What an hypocrite.
You say "it's best that China's evil doesn't expand", but you are here contributing to the expansion of Japan's evil.
Best to pick the least evil out of the two.
last i check, america didn't drop two nukes on china.
Because China wasn't at war with the USA. Duh.
china attemp to hack (and steal?) data on US
*countless*
pentagon got hacked too
More like that's because China never raped, killed & tortured 300,000 civilians over a 6 week period.
Agrees.
They are hardly "completely evil". There have been far far worse governments in the past and even in the present.
Just wander over to good old Africa and look up real evil.
>africa
lend me your arms
>africa
no, don't cut them off others, first!
Somalia, Togo, and Nigeria are totally nuke- worthy
Wait, Togo? The little country next to Ivory Coast? What happened there? >_>;
How does that make them not completely evil?
It doesn't matter if a government is good or evil, what matters is the fact that land changes hands during wars all the time. Having owned the land in the past doesn't mean a damn thing, whoever controls the land right now, is the rightful owner, thats just the way it works, and the entire rest of the world accepts that basic principle.
What the Chinese are trying to do is a akin to Germany demanding Poland return the land that used to belong to them prior to WW1. No one would go for it and the world would condemn Germany for making such an outrageous demand.
What makes this whole thing even more farcical is the fact that Chinese demands for the return of the islands has nothing to do with territorial sovereignty and has everything to do with the fact that there is potential oil and natural gas reserves in the vicinity of the Senkaku islands.
I say America also has an evil government.
No, we just have the best government money can buy, literally.
Just ask all the multinational corporations who have all three branches of our government in their very deep pockets!
The government of the USA is bunch of obnoxious dicks too. And just wait until Romney gets elected and then it will be even worse then fucking China!
I've noticed that you never post anything that doesn't make you look like an ass, PK.
Romney is a smiling jacking, with his hands in everyone's pockets and Obama is just another puppet. Both are shit.
As a Chinese who visited Mainland China and Tibet recently, I feel that Yes, they're. But so are most governments in history and modern times.
The Chinese people I met also dislike the government, but really don't care since they never participate. Since the Chinese government lies maybe 80% of the time(as oppose to other big country governments lying about 40% of the time), the majority of the Chinese people don't really know what they're doing.
And the media just blasts in my ear about how Diaoyu/Senkaku island is our's and crap, made me become repulsive of them. The media is the government's servant, so even some of the student are saying Japan is "trying to steal our land"
I heard from a man that the city patrol of ChongQing is a fearful thing for small business people there. I heard that they even beat people on the streets publicly, going too far it was. But some of the citizens circled around them, and they didn't get away with it.
The government is so corrupt and keeping the poor on the lines that it isn't funny. It should be replaced.
LOL, a perfect display of ignorance and retardedness of Americans who were brainwashed by their own propaganda. You guys ain't much different from North Koreans who believe that the US government is one evil empire that must be erased from the face of this planet.
US as an evil empire has benefited the lives of people, even the North Koreans and most notably China. They would be nothing if the US companies didn't invest in their country. I'm okay with the US being this way.
A typical delusion retarded foxnews fanboys get off to. America's foreign policing benefits no one but themselves, the media just happens to enjoy cherry-picking the opinions from insurgents whom america supports and morons just lap 'em up and think america has nothing but saintly intentions for all invaded countries.
And benefiting China by exploiting their lower-class workers and investing sweat camps, filling the world with cheap products and screwing over everybody's economy (including China's)? LOL.
lol china screws it's own economy. we're not the ones paying it's sweatshop work force shit and intentionally sabotaging our currency value.
wow, Anon 20:21. Were you born an imbecile or did that diseased whore that gave birth to you twist you that way?
Actually it IS American companies doing most of the shitty paying. China simply has enough cheap labor workers to spare and don't do anything about their workers being underwaged. If anything it's a dumbass ploy by both governments to boost their economies at the world's expense. It's high time america paid their debts and learn to make things themselves, china started laying off some of their shitty workers and the world gets better products.
Thanks for showing us just how naive americans can be when testifying something as "evil". Way to go mister justice.
I suppose you think Cuba is evil aswell? How about Russia?
"Better that China's evil doesn't expand" That right there sounds like some nineteenth century illogical communist hate. I suppose next you'll be finding spying devices in pumpkins LOL. Yea that was a historical reference, come at me.
I do find the irony in your statement in being American and calling China government evil while not even stating your own opinion on your own government.
Not that I disagree with China's government being assholes...