Chinese General Demands “Return” of Okinawa

That's not even close, it's like saying Japan and the ocean.

Um, excuse me?

You don't exactly need spies to know what north korea's like.

...how do you think we know what North Korea is like? from people there on vacation?

They have a working aircraft carrier and an indigenous one under construction.

And they are producing submarines. Although of Russian cold war design (Recall the Red October movie).

You mean the post WW2 rust bucket that was launched in '53 then transferred in '87 and over twice its initially estimated sailing life of 25 years?

Suddenly, every weeaboo here becomes an expert in military economics.

I smell a troll. To feed or not to feed, hmm...

Even the Italians have an aircraft carrier, are you going to say they are formidable in a blue water scenario too?

Their first aircraft carrier is the one abandoned by Russia. Its relic already.

Actually Italy has 2 aircraft carrier (garibaldi and cavour) and it is storically a sea power, altough usually limited to the mediterran sea. Dont underestimate G8 nations, they all have quite some military power: japan itself has one of the most advanced fleet in the pacific.

Japan actually has a sizable Airforce and Navy any invasion fleet would suffer serious losses esp one without any air cover.
Since Japan is ordering some F-35s and has the ATD-X in development.
The Hyuga class ships could be easily converted into an aircraft carrier for S/VTOL planes like the F-35.
Plus the US would take Japan's side.

America would not want a war with china because they have put massive amounts of resourses into building battle ships not just a couple a mean lods, so america would ditch the japs

I would love to see how china with its severely lacking naval and land record would fair against battle-experienced marines and navy that crushed the people who raped their women, rampaged across their lands, and burned their homes. Not to mention those inexperienced naval forces should make great targets for navy pilots and destroyer jockeys who are eager to get another flat top kills on their records.

Really, substituting your own body counts for tactics is a clear mark that they already lost.

Only a gullible person would start comparing Japan's military power to the Chinese. Japan mainly relies on USA's presence in the region. So a war between China and Japan is actually a war between China and the U.S., and the U.S. won't risk any World War 3 scenarios until they draw Russia out of the game.
And drawing Russia out of the game would be quite hard, considering Russian nuclear subs keep popping up randomly near the New York coast.

@soigneerin:

If you think russia cares that much about china, you are brutally mistaken. Unless US actions directly threaten the integrity and power of russia in central asia or eastern europe, russia would actually welcome the opportunity to get rid of its bitchy neighbor they share a very porous and long land border with.

You can always count on the russian national interest to behave in a way that benefits russia. If US and china go to war with US solely focusing on china and courting russia with sharing influence in the region far more than chinese ever could, russia would mull and then jump at it. Geopolitics in stacked in favor of whomever attacks china because they managed to piss off every one of their neighbors so thoroughly.

Majority of Chinas military vehicles(ships and aircrafts) are either very old and/or scrapped from Russian(Soviet Union*) and US during WWII.

@17:07 Anon

You're forgetting about the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan, which was renewed as late as I think it was 2010 and will be in effect until 2020.

Granted both sides have the option of revoking it, but there's a 1y notice requirement for that.

As it's a signed and ratified treaty, it's considered the Law of the Land, and ignoring it would leave a President open to impeachment, which considering the current political climate in the US is a very real worry. And no President is going to commit political suicide over something like this.

In addition, considering their tech level, it's estimated that Japan could be a fully capable nuclear power within a 2y timeframe.

So even with the revoking of the treaty, they'd still need to hold out for 1y, if they hadn't already started a switchover prior to the revocation and done their work in secret.

And that's probably a scenario that the US would encourage and assist in, if they did have to pull out.

So the whole idea of the US just going: "Screw it, we're going home" and ignoring their treaty obligations. Just isn't feasible.

It might be what the Chinese want to see happen, but the political situation in the US has to be taken into consideration as well. And that pretty much precludes such an event from occurring.

you ever tried winning at starcraft with only 1 carrier? doesn't work

US getting nuked would... the rest of the world would be better off.

We lose LA, they lose 1.3bn people. We let the chinese clean our toilet, we clean them off the face of the earth. A win-win situation!

Let's make it happen. Somebody nuke that damn fishing village off the face of the earth!

@ 21:30

I'd love to see China try, I'm partial to stir fry.

@21:30 Anon

You're forgetting the MAD principle, or Mutual Assured Destruction.

The US gets nuked, it nukes others as well.
End result, extinction of the human race.

Or to paraphrase Joshua from the movie Wargames: Global Thermonuclear War, a strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

It's like 01:17 said, China tries to nuke us and they get a city or two but before they are finished celebrating they've lost all their major cities and military installations.

21:54

They would move their imports and exports to other 3rd world countries that don't bitch as much, and chinese economy collapses under job loss and complete international trade isolation?

Good idea. Let the chinese bitch some more and we can remove the free trade agreement to another nations. It would cause a recession for a few years, but no nation believe chinese are indispensible when there are so many other poor people just wishing for foreign investments. Rest of the world takes one or two year recession than moves on, while chinese slide into abrupt depression because export they are so dependent on is cut off completely. Nice try.

The "imports" actually are natural minerals, which are needed for electronic and automotive manufacturing and does not have anything to do with retarded China. Did China plant those minerals? No. Were those minerals fossils of their ancestors? No. China got lucky they sit their fat arses on a land rich with rare minerals. That's all.

Besides, I find it funny that the best capacitor is the Japan-made one, not the China-made one, despite the rare minerals used for the capacitor manufacturing were imported from China. Just another proof that China doesn't know how to properly and optimally use its own resources. Might as well give all those minerals to the countries who knows how to handle them.

and what happens when japs take over chink-land ? They would need to feed and manage land of the incompetent buffoons. Japan will drown in debt .

They have tried it in 1937 and failed miserably

To find out the secrets of their explosions.
WH40K Orks need upgrades.

in which less than 4400 of ours died for fucking up the whole country, while sandniggers killed themselves and alqueda now extremely marginalized? Not to mention we get to wield a significant measure of geopolitical power in an area with most valuable modern day resource? yea, a big fail.

This was nothing compared to vietnam or ww2, or even civil war. We control the dollar, the violence, and influence. What's not to celebrate about?

Not to mention osama is dead now....in his own home. Sandniggers got bitch slapped good when they got uppity.

Must be trolling.
Or believes Fox News.

Maybe both.

You'd have to be retarded to invade China over mere threats to invade Japan.

China doesn't have good cards in this game. If they actually DID invade Japan, guess how the chips would fall...? Yep, NATO + Russians + "everyone" vs. China.

See, if anyone really has to be worried about China, it's Russia & India (& other countries in the immediate sphere of influence), in the first place.
No move would be more stupid for them than siding with China, rather than against it.

And unlike the US, the EU has rather good relations & allies all over the world...

you think the US just lost all its allies after 9/11 / gulf war 2? Im pretty sure the US maintains stable relationships with half of western europe, and half of asia, along with most of the middle east, even.

shitton of cowards = shit.

Just proved everyone's point.

China would repeat what they did in the Korean war. Just throw numbers at the enemy to make them run out of bullets and then overwhelm them. China historically hasn't put much value on human life.

The problem at this point is that now only China has the industrial capacity to manufacture weapons to take on the Chinese. The US has a severe problem: after a couple of months there's no more missiles, rockets or ammunition left. Most swords and knives are even manufactured outside the US. I guess there are rocks in the western US.

China will release its dollar holding and force default of US debt all at once and trigger a positive feedback loop - Dollar worth as much as toilet paper overnight, US credit rating down to junk status. You won't be able to feed your army, much less sending them to war.

You can't go to war with them, they own you now.

00:20 someone doesn't understand basics of national debt contracts. First of all, they cannot release anything with US agreeing to it since those debt is written in contracts about who gets to do what - national debt is not a personal debt. There are specific situations that allows china to do so, none of them which can be brought about if US first makes the mistake of not abiding by the same terms of repayments, which US can easily remedy by devaluing its dollars, and letting china take the hit for inflation.

Having a debt is under a mutually agreed contract, which does not allow unilateral scrubbing of them by one party. Besides, as the saying goes, "If you borrow a million from the bank, banks owns you, but if you borrow a trillion, you own the bank". With the power to print dollar at will and letting other nations take the hit from it as a revenge for their own currency manipulations, and with strict contract that does not allow unilateral action without the whole bonds bought by china being ruled null and void by international banking systems, china cannot demand anything. They foolishly thought they got the weak point of US, when infact they walked into the trap of internationally binding contracts that allows US to use cheated money of chinese for their own advantage while draining their crookedly-earned dollars.

US would just do what it did in WWII and have GM, Ford and Chrysler manufacture military equipment instead of cars. Beside US military technology is still light years ahead of China.I'm sure there are platforms orbiting the earth that would fry China's ass if push came to shove.
China manufactures shit.They even had to buy a used Soviet aircraft carrier from Ukraine. The best power supplies and capacitors come from Japan and Taiwan not the mainland. US computer chips can't be matched.

>>China will release its dollar holding and force default of US debt all at once and trigger a positive feedback loop - Dollar worth as much as toilet paper overnight, US credit rating down to junk status.

If China do it against US certanly will destroy all economy of the world at once, my Real will value less than a junk, and will make "World against china". China is the 1/3 of the world on population but dunno if can deal with other 2/3 of population on the Earth.

>US computer chips can't be matched.

The only US ones in the Top 10 Semiconductor vendors in 2011 with their own fab are Intel and Texas Instruments. Qualcomm, Boardcom are fabless comapnies.

reference: http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4215223/Broadcom-enters-top-10-chip-rankings-

There are less than a handful of companies who owns their own chip fabs and how many have them in the U.S.

I've seen this twice now. Who's proliferating the falsehood that China is 1/3 of the world population? At most it's 1/5

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

id be more scared of india, since they have nuclear capabilities and are 3 billion people strong.

...We the Sankaku Army can only sit behind our computers, shit talk, troll and bitch about anything to stroke our own egos...Not exactly a worthwhile army are we?. Like 2ch...ZING!

is he for or against japan? i cant tell, like I REALLY cant tell.

There's this breed of monkeys called "racists" that hate on a particular [racial] group and not one nation. You can tell from the way they utter slurs, throw kiddy tantrums when feeling humiliated, and make most imaginative race assumptions followed by verbal juggling of their own filth. They are also most easily trolled with their fragile egos, often humorously mistaking anyone who speaks out against them as members of their hated race.

Due to severe lacking in mental capacity, racists are commonly able to deviate from this pattern little to none.

- excerpt from The Back of a Postage Stamp on Internet Trash

The words on this excerpt applies to 80% of the people on this site.

@ 19:07

Actually most comments on this site are contained, if somewhat childish. Just a few who think their some shit and post offensive stuff. Still better than 4chan.