Wii U Specs “Completely Inadequate” for 2P
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Jul 3, 2012 02:55 JST
- Tags: Controllers, Interviews, Marketing, Nintendo, Technology, Wii U
Serious doubts are being raised as to whether Nintendo’s upcoming Wii U console has the power to support more than one of its wonder-controllers in play, something Nintendo seems to have been keeping quiet by only showing it running with one controller…
The problems were raised by Dean Takahashi, a prominent games journalist (for what this is worth), when he was interviewed about Nintendo’s E3 showing:
With Nintendo, where do you think they came up short in the way they showed the Wii U?
They have a major issue with the capability of the Wii U console where it has a single processor but it has to drive multiple displays.
A single graphics chip inside the console has to drive the big screen, the main game screen, but it also has to provide the imagery for the tablet controller, the game pad.
And yet the system itself isn’t that powerful. Nintendo only showed games with one game pad controller and the TV.
Most games out there, if you’re in a social setting, you want two controllers. Nintendo didn’t show any games that do that.
They admitted in a Q&A that the games are going to run slower if you have two game pads and playing on a main display. That’s a fairly big issue for them.
They made a good case that you can play with one controller and multiple Wii controllers, what they call asymmetric gaming where one person is looking at the small tablet screen and trying to deploy zombies while the people playing with the controllers were all on the main screen. You come up with very creative, different kinds of games where it’s one against four, or one person going online.
They tried to justify and turn into an advantage this major weakness of the Wii U, but I think a lot of people saw this as a weakness.
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Nintendo came up as a pretty big disappointment at E3.
The fact that the Wii U’s graphical capabilities can apparently barely hold their own against the existing generation of consoles has already provoked much debate, one that looks set to intensify should it be true that it can barely drive its own controller – not that this necessarily matters if Nintendo can sell as many of the consoles to children and old people as they apparently hope.
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I'm still a little irritated with Nintendo.
First it was the Wii, which had a very bad set of games and hardware, but now also the Wii U seems underwhelming.
Less Nintendoland and more general Nintendo first party franchises please.
Nintendo will release another Wii U handheld later on in the year shortly after the initial release. It'll have better specs, wider screen, and be slimmer.
Rinse and repeat till new console is out.
And then, they will make the same one but bigger screen and bigger size, and even take out some retrocompatibility options...
Wii U XL
Sure thing. I can already see it:
Consumers would have to pay yet again for the fastest leap from console generations, from the eight no the ninth in less than one year. Atari would never think of that in the good old days of the second gen. Everyone would be happy to pay it, since this idea is totally sane and follows the standard of what always happens in console development.
By the way, there's the dev's point of view on that too: they would have to spend millions in yet another new architecture, reset the R&D for all their games just because of your travels to Nevergoingtohappenland.
Yes! ...that if the Wiiu were a handheld. Oh, whatever.
Actually the Wii U should have been a handheld, since the Wii U in its current form is too sophisticated for some people, because they don't understand that you need to used it only at home and can take it outside of your house like an iPad or Android tablet.
Nintendo is the best... at least their consoles doesn't have RROD / YLOD in weeks.
lol instead they just can't duallayer originals like SSMB and wiiconnect24 makes the GPU see spots. retard.
True, instead they destroy your TV every now and then :D
they try to save money by making system less powerful, and when it will fail they will blame people for it, morons..
Morons are those people who bought 4 360s because Microsoft had a poorly made (expensive) console that couldn't keep up with all that "power" and overheated bricking the console
they all break, faggot. that's what happens when your shit is made in china.
Check the facts dumbass, no console fails at the same rate as the 360 even the PS3 was built better the original "fat" version that is.
What do you mean "even PS3". The original PS3 had one of the lowest fail rates in console history.
I guess what they say is true once a faggot always faggot.
And I'm not talking about the bundle of sticks definition of the word.
Lowest fail rates in history? Might want to look up YLOD.
Heh... Inadequate
That word sums up the wii perfectly.
Well the less powerful system is paying off lol
Spec wise I guess they finally got to the current gen in graphics rofl aka its cheap now
"They tried to justify and turn into an advantage this major weakness of the Wii U, but I think a lot of people saw this as a weakness."
Yes, I know I did and was immediately disappointed. Nintendo for the sake of the future please don't pull a Square Enix!
there's no reason to run 3D applications on the pad, there's basically just a bunch of image layers, any CPU will be able to calculate that bit on the fly.
oh and more importantly: why would you use more than one display-pad-thingy at the same time? there's no reason. for any multiplayer game it's designed that way that you'll have to pass on the display-pad
but already it was confirmed that bear two controls
And those two pad controls are in addition to the four people using a standard Wiimote or other controller.
This guy's complaining that the pad display slows down when there's SIX people playing - and slows down to 30 FPS at that, the same framerate many games run at today.
Well, people tend to think that's a rule, that 30 frames/sec thing with two of these Wii U controllers, but I am sure the programmers can fix that with clever programming. Come on, some games aren't even possible e.g. on the PS1 or PS2, especially those arcade-to-Playstation ports, but in reality they were possible and they were released on the respective consoles.
I'm sure they'll still sell millions of the thing within a year.
I mean, while it's a different type of machine, I'm sure it'll do better than the PSVita.
I am sure the PSVita will do a lot better if Square Enix do a Final Fantasy 7 remake for Sony's new handheld. But I guess Square Enix has been too lazy in all these years, especially when you look at the Final Fantasy XIII whey the company cuts all the towns and villages, and they really messed up FF XIV.
The genius that found out that Final Fantasy 13 didn't need any tows or things like that have now said that they won´t make any big games themself anymore.
They will still own the names and stuff, but they will hire in other companies to actually make the games.
So maybe we can have hope for the next FF, if they dare to make one after the flop called FF13 of course....
Well, that's embarrassing... It wasn't even a month ago that Nintendo's CEO boasted that no one would be able to tell the difference between the Wii U and the unreleased PS4 and Xbox 720... And patronized Sony/Microsoft for taking 3 years to jump into motion controls as well.
...In the end, Nintendo is STILL a few steps behind in the competition.
This is only technologically. They know people would still buy a cheaper, seemingly more functional console.
That's why they're releasing their console 1 year before the competition, they're buying time.
The PS2 was release a year before the others weaker and it worked out pretty well for Sony.
Exactly, that's what I was saying.
Dreamcast came out a year before that thou, and got it's ass kicked by Sony's PR hype.
Yeah people only got the PS2 for the DVD player at first and the PS3 for the Blu-ray player if Sony has nothing to bait people with the PS4 it may very well fail.
that is nothing like you said. "Weaker" is a vague blanket statement.
There's nothing vague about "weaker", as it's a fact PS2 was graphically inferior to GC&xbox1.
Well we will have to see what the Ps4 and 702 actually look like.
I don't doubt they will be better but even they might be a far more minor jump tech wise then what people expect.
The PS4 is probably going to be a disappointment as well as the CPU is is likely going to be a low cost X86 quad core.
This means zero backwards compatibility and not very powerful either definitely nowhere near close enough to have any hope of emulating the Cell in the PS3.
Good news this means pirating will be easier as the X86 platform has a lot less security.
why not? they've already discovered idiots will buy their systems without backwards compatibility.
The reason why they removed the backward compatibility after the first gen of PS3 was because PS2 was still highly popular and sold a lot.
The PS3 have never reached that popularity, and the PS2 have been gone for years now. So there is still a hope that PS4 will allow you to play your old PS2 games.
With any luck nintendo will sort out these hiccups before its release late 2012, you have nearly another 6 months nintendo, get your arse into gear.
They already said that it will support 2 tablet controllers, with half the framerate in each. If it runs at 60 FPS in one controller, it will run at 30 FPS when a second one is added. They won't look so good but they still will be playable.
The Wii U is doomed. How could
Nintendo go so wrong, with a series of
poor decisions that guarantee the Wii U
will be as much of an also-ran as the
GameCube was. For the Wii U to be a hit,
Nintendo will have to succeed in areas
they have consistently failed in, and the
public will have to flock to a device that
is not going to be all that mind blowing.
They might as well give up now.
The Wii U just can’t lose. Nintendo will
assuredly continue their winning streak
with this system, which combines the
high-def graphics the other consoles
offer with a unique new approach to
home gaming. How can it fail when it’s
got so much going for it?
Best Troll ever !!!! lol
You're gonna be Nintended!
You mean... Working as Nintended.
Is it too late to add more whores to the cpu?
This is the worst console to date from Nintendo. Why can't just get a console with great games instead of all these gimmicks. The Wii motion controllers proved worthless since both the PS3 and 360 were to do it. The same thing could happen with this console of the touchpad gimmick ends up working out. Gamecube, Wii, and Wii U have been terrible ideas. So sad. Unless you a hardcore Nintendotard then this console will seem like godsend to you. For us casual nintendo fans this seem like another wasted opportunity to compete with the others.
I loved the super nes and gamecube
the Wii, not so much, I actually regret buying it
I believe the Wii U is very unlikely to reproduce the Wii's commercial success among hardcore gamers, but it will still attract old and very young people
well no doubt nintendo will capture the attention of casual players, but I think they (nintendo) will have a hard time competing with smartphones because of their availability and prices.
which is why i think they made the right decision to try and get third party devs on board. unfortunately it will be with the use of gimmicks, which I think is a poor excuse.
You can salvage some of your investment by running glovepie on the pc - use your wiimote to play touhou, your tatsunoko stick to play melty blood, etc.
Most people I know bought the Wii because it was really, really simple to run pirated games on it. Also a lot of emulators and Gamecube games.
Are you sure you are not referring to the PSP?
The PSP outsold the GC. ;)
@anon 5:55 and the DS outsold the PSP. Why are you comparing handhelds and consoles anyway? Playing Cards outsold all consoles every year then.
lol no, Wii sold strong because Nintendo marketed it to everyone that was not a gamer. By the time softmods came around, Nintendo had already taken the sales crown.
No, its because the people who bought it were either die hard nintento fanboys, parents buying stuff for their kids, and the occassional girl (my older sister, and several female relatives around the same age have one). A few of my friends only bought it for stuff like smash, one of them told me he only kept his since he was waiting for zelda. Personally I had no real issues with the Wii except its lack of non Nintendo games (seriously you used to have mutliplat games on every system) but the Wii U just seems to have gone that one unnecessary step. Its gonna have more games on it but they plan on having gimmicks with them, like the Arkham City Wii U version.
Wii couldn't play Fall out 3,Mass Effect 2,or Borderlands even if it try to.
@Myballz ye, but it wasnt supposed to anyway. For Fallout 3, Mass Effect or Borderlands you have a PC(that everybody has anyway) - and they are better on them then on PS3 or Xbox.
"Why can't just get a console with great games instead of all these gimmicks."
It's called PC. You cant buy one anytime, of you have the money to.
Well, it's too bad but there is no PS3 emulator to play my JRPGs with. I HAD to buy one. Without all the gimmicks of course.
Actually, you can mod the old PS3 into a Linux PC. So technically you can have both.
Yeah but then you'd have to worry about disc based auto updates.
>outdated console
>outdated linux distribution
perfect match
plus its a media center right out of the box. no extra remotes or kinects needed.
PC is a great platform, specially if you have a lot of money and can buy/build a killer gaming rig, but honestly it's lacking in games, note that I'm not saying it doesn't have any, but you can easily find a wider array of great games on a console, be it a PS3 or 360.
Great games lol. I can't count the number of comments on a game trailer especially when it's only a Ps3/360 release and it would go usually like this:
"PLEASE RELEASE FOR PC PLEAAAAAAAASE!"
What they really mean is "make is easy to pirate pleaaaaaase".
Nintendotard? I call them Nintenderps.
Ahh... releasing consoles with exactly the same features as 2 other concurrents doesnt sound as such good idea, does it? One need to have something unique to differ from them and that what Nintendo does. Gamecube didnt fail because of being week, it failed because of not Nintendo being on bad terms with third party developers at the time. Nintendo changed their attitude, so they dont have this problem anymore.
GameCube was and still is an amazing console, not my personal favorite, that would be the SNES, but I agree with you that Nintendo is more actually experimenting with their consoles than satisfying the high expectations which we remember of them.
man someone doesn't do their research much seeing how wii came first movie and kinetic followed suit, sony and M$ Copied nintendo's idea and tweaked it for their own personal uses and your calling nintendo a failure?
Eye Toy came out before Kinect and before the Nintendo Wii. It's widely regarded as the first major motion based control system to be made available for a home console. The Nintendo Wii isn't the first motion controller either, as it was beaten to the post by peripherals for the Atari 2600 and the Commodore 64.
Microsoft or M$ as you call it (Microsoft isn't a bad company they will help you compared to many others, just because they were first with a major OS) is quite different from the wii motion controllers. You'll be able to use voice commands in the game. Once they perfect it, Sony and Nintendo will copy it just you watch.
Even the Eve Toy had been beaten to the punch. The GameBoy camera allowed users to interact real world images with games.
"just because they were first with a major OS"
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>Microsoft isn't a bad company they will help you compared to many others,
Tell that to SEGA. They didn't like having the Dreamcast and games taken off the shelves to make room for the X-box before it was even launched.
Eye Toy wasn't innovative at all. It was just a copy of something that had been available on computers for years. My computer came with a webcam and similar minigames pre-installed back in 2000, over three years before Eye Toy came out. Commercial webcam games may have never really took off on the PC, but they weren't particularly widespread for the Eye Toy either. Most importantly, Eye Toy wasn't something that was packaged with the PS2, unlike the Wii's motion controller, which came standard with every console.
The motion controller for the Atari and Commodore is hardly worth mentioning, because it was a third-party device with no games designed specifically for it. It behaved like a standard joystick controller for existing games, and was little more than an overpriced novelty that did nothing special.
"Tell that to SEGA. They didn't like having the Dreamcast and games taken off the shelves to make room for the X-box before it was even launched."
lol no. Sega made a lot of retail enemies after they pushed failed hardware accessories like the Nomad, Sega CD & 32x. But the breaking point came when they unexpectedly rammed Saturn down retailers throats with only a dozen games. After which brands like KB Toys stopped carrying ALL Sega products. The Dreamcast never had a chance. And the only one to blame for that was Sega. But blame MS all you want, it just shows how stupid you are.
I would call them failures when both MS and Sony did a much better job than Nintendo managed...
Seems like Sony can already copy all the Wii U's capabilities by using the Vita as the Game-pad. It's a more expensive option, but power comes at a price. The biggest upside being that the Vita wouldn't be a paperweight if you take it with you.
"more expensive" is in understatement at $300 per Vita and I bet the PS4 will be around $400 most wouldn't be able to afford that.
u mad, poorfag?
Lol oh no $400.
Dude you should know those Sony fanboys will sink all of their cash into a PS4 no matter how much it costs.
Ken Kutaragi regarding the PS3: "We want people to feel I will work more hours to get one. We want people to feel they want it, irrespective of anything else" - He knows his fanboys doesn't he
So a PS4 at US$400-$500 plus 2 Vitas at US$300 each to copy the Wii U and don't forget that US$50 rip-off memory card for those Vitas!
Gamecube was perfectly fine, it was powerful, graphically up to date and had a decent ammount of games. The Wii U is like a bad joke, when will Nintendo go back to being one of the leading consoles when it comes to specs? They are sellouts, why spend thousands making a powerful console when you can make a cheap one aimed at the casual market....
BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW GAMES R ALL ABOUT TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS NOT GAMEPLAY
Did you even read the article? It does affect the gameplay when everything starts slowing down to a crawl.
The GC looked like a Fisherprice toy and couldn't even play DVDs (That was an issue back then, after all, the PS2 was the first DVD Player for a lot of people back in the day.)
Sorry, you can't design something so awfull and think an adult would put it in their living room.
I think a cube shape was very unique for the time and I liked how small and compact it was. Who cares what it looked like anyway? The fact is it had some awesome games, Eternal Darkness, the Resident Evil remakes, F Zero GX, Metroid Prime, Super Smash Bros, Metal Gear, Killer 7, Zelda TP.
The Wii has had few actual ports from this generation's consoles.
Because Nintendo was using less costly technology and software for Wii.
The system isn't even out yet, it's not one little port that will tell it's capabilities.
And this crap about the console unable to drive two screens as well as one...Well DUH of course it can't!
Whatever the power you put in the machine, if you use 2 screens of the same resolution it takes at least twice the graphical processing power -.-
2P game developers are just gonna have to take that into account, nothing strange here.
What's more I doubt they will be obligated to use those screens in 2P mode.
You could play your street fighter on the big screen for 2P, or solo on the pad screen.
As much as I disliked the Wii and N's marketing over it, I don't understand how that much BS can be said over them around here.
I guess that's sancom for you.
I'm afraid imma have to break into this argument right here...
Having two displays of the same resolution do NOT require twice the processing power. they actually only need about 1.3x the power at the very most.
Two displays is treated by most graphics hardware as one, larger one. Kinda like my dual display setup on my computer. The reason a dual, triple or even quadruple display may lag is more likely because of the processor having to process more commands, with multiple separate entities interacting with the game. not the graphics themselves. Learn how hardware works before trolling about who is the most wrong. Maybe y'all learnt sumthin today. Good Day XD
I think they meant 2 or more of the pad...
The hardware is so weak that it will have trouble running with 2 or more pads. That´s why they only showed 1 pad in all their demonstrations.
Who said that there will be no great games on the Wii U? Like always Nintendo's game consoles and handheld have awesome games that break records in terms of sales and reception.
Oh, like the PS2 sale record? No? Well.