Total Eclipse’s Sexiness Eclipsed by Boob Tracing
- Categories: Anime, News
- Date: Jun 10, 2012 21:10 JST
- Tags: Comparison, Copyright, Illustration, Infinite Stratos, Oppai, Plagiarism, Total Eclipse
The summer 2012 anime season is off to a less promising start than might be hoped – one of the most anticipated upcoming series, “Muv-Luv Total Eclipse,” is already facing tracing accusations after it emerged some of its sexy pinup art looks to have been blatantly plagiarised from not one but two different sources in the same picture…
The purported similarities were discovered by 2ch’s plagiarism task force of otaku with far too much time on their hands – as usual, how they discovered these similarities is almost as pressing a question as why some illustrators still think they can get away with it.
From a popular Infinite Stratos pin-up:
And on the left an obscure Ikki Tousen artwork:
A limit break is promised to anyone able to identify the third girl as unoriginal, as unfortunately seems less than improbable.
An alternative, more generous explanation has also been put forward – “perhaps they all copied their girls from a collection of poses?” – although this is none too reassuring either.
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Well I guess the anime's reputation has been...
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...eclipsed.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY~
The eclipsed pun was already used in the article so, uh, yeahhhhh
Article is about copying so it's ok.
Sometimes when you got to think of it, it's amazing how a simple piece of 2D artwork could give you a hard on... That goes to show that these guys who can really draw till such have very 'good observation skills and sights'in order to pen them down on paper... Ya gotta love what they can see man... :)
I think Genshiken explained that nicely though.
They have the same 3 sizes?
I call bullshit on the tracing accusation.
I've examined the breasts involved very carefully and do not see any evidence of tracing.
I call bullshit on your bullshit.
I've examined your bullshit very carefully and do not see any evidence of non-bullshit.
For the girl on the right, look below the boobs and look at the waist, shadow lines, and belly button. Pretty much identical. The other girl at least looks slightly less similiar line for line.
I've examined the breasts carefully......and just fapped.
"An alternative, more generous explanation has also been put forward – “perhaps they all copied their girls from a collection of poses?” – although this is none too reassuring either."
Why not? Even Da Vinci used references. Statements like these are so fucking retarded.
Referencing != Copying.
I don't understand, why? The picture and the pose is simple why trace it? It'll save just 1 or maximum 5 hours of work of the artist. Why are they doing it for the official poster?
Funny how the trace looks more appealing than the originals. It's all generic poses anyways, who cares. There are more important things to be doing at a time like this than worrying about what's traced/copied and what isn't, like enjoying the eye candy.
The funny thing is that the mangaka of Ikkitousen was accused of plagiarizing Tenjo Tenge, including plot and tracing.
That's weird, because those two series are quite different in terms of art & plot.
Also, didn't Tenjou Tenge come out before Ikki Tousen?
I like the traced image better than I like the images they were traced from.
Don't care.
There's only a limited amount of poses humans can do anyway.
Even still, you could draw the same pose without tracing. You can just look at her hand and see it right away.
You can still do the stupid hand touching her hair bs but also actually make it a little original/different... maybe have the bend a little more/less, the curve from the palm to the finger be curved more or less etc.
It makes me think of writing a paper for english classes or something on World War II or something like that, you can look at that the same way with your train of thought "There is only so much stuff to write about WWII anyways" when a kid tries to hand in a paper he copied off someone else.
But in the end, caring about this will do nothing as it wont stop/deter tracing.
Still going to watch the shit out of that anime though.
Sure, if you copy you can do minor changes to seem original. Works with handing in papers. My point was that something like this can happen even without the intent of copying, since there are only so much possible poses the human body is capable of. It's even further limited because the characters faces should be visible.
But looking at the two illustrations side-by-side...they're nearly identical line for line. Even the way the bathing suit strings on one of the girls is exactly the same. That would be one hell of a coincidence.
But can you prove that it isn't a coincidence? Innocent unless proven guilty, no?
Well,.. honesty.. I don't care either way. Besides,.. if you do that in movies with motion sequences it's called a homage, but do it in anime with a single picture and the otaku whine.
first girl is a coincidence ? let's say it is
second girl is a coincidence ? let's say " Innocent unless proven guilty"
third girl is a coincidence ? now, what ?
jesus christ, four comments saying the same thing. some people just don't know when to stop whining, do they.
"third girl is a coincidence ? now, what ?"
Still a coincidence..? Just because it's unlikely doesn't mean it's impossible.
The thing here is that these are obviously traced, no question about it. Even if they were based on the same pose from some other source image, there's absolutely no way that most of the lines and cell shading would match perfectly, as they do here.
Likewise, if someone plagiarizes parts of a report from a textbook, online, or someone else's paper, teachers are typically going to know. Many instructors, especially at a college level, actually submit all their students papers to online services that compare them against a vast database of prior works to search for signs of plagiarism. If parts of a report are found to have been copied from another source, you can bet that report will be failed, at the very least.
I'm glad to see people searching for tracing in artwork like this. People are getting paid to produce this art, and if they copy 90% of the work from real artists who aren't getting paid, they're taking advantage of them. It's alright to use an existing pose as a reference, but tracing a source image line for line is another thing entirely.
There is a difference between motion and pictures.
"if you do that in movies with motion sequences it's called a homage"
In a movie, you wouldn't be simply copying and pasting the source material, then tweaking it a little. Homages can be done with drawn art as well, but that's entirely different from just tracing an image.
lol, this just might be one of the stupidest comments i've read on sancom. "limited amount of poses", lol
it's not about the pose, but the shadows have exactly the same shape as well, so that's quite suspicious as even a single artist wouldn't make something that similar twice ;)
"think they can get away with it." probaby because it's a basic time saving technique that everyone in the comic/manga industry does, there's no need to "get away" with anything because it's perfectly legal. What do those otaku know about the art world? If you trace an outline and then make it into a different character, or transfer it into a different genre, then it's not considered plagiarism. DC comics have been doing that for years, in fact, they recommend it in one of their "how to" art books.
It's one thing to copy for your own practice and enjoyment, but whether or not it is legal, it is highly irresponsible to do it for an official piece of artwork. In the art world, at least in America, it IS a crime unless you, yourself, hold the copyright to the original image. It can be pursued in court, though that doesn't happen often (to my knowledge).
As an artist myself, I don't really care if anyone else traces my stuff for their own enjoyment, but it is extremely frustrating when you find someone on deviantArt who has copied something of yours and gotten thousands of views for it just because they were already popular. I mean, can't I have a little credit? Just a little? No?
please don't compare professional anime to deviantart
It's about the same, isn't it? Makes you uncomfortable, doesn't it?
The followings are the same, the only difference is someone pays somebody money for it somewhere down the line.
to be honest, the only kind of person that would think anime is anything like a white site like deviantart is a white person.
There's multiple Japanese people who post their anime on deviant art.
Jizz saiyan.
No, you can't. Your picture wasn't popular. The traced and improved version was.
each subsequent comment is getting increasingly more bitter
Why do people like you exist?
I'm guessing uranium in the drinking water somewhere, Anonymous@5:15.
@Anon 5:15 they exist because of their retarded parents.
No one worth anything takes deviant art seriously. Now, like I said, when you take an outline, and change it into another character, for the sake of having the same pose, or change it just enough, exactly like they did here, it bypasses any plagiarism laws, even in America. Sure if they had traced it, left it as it is, and called the inages thiers, then yes it's plagiarism, but they didnt. Proffessional artists do it all the time to get certain poses if a character has similiar features, the artists for the superman comics do it all the time, go to your local library and pic up some how to draw comic character books, preferably officially by DC, and I garantee that you'll see that they show you how to trace a character, then change it just enough to where it's not considered plargiarism.
Nice resolution on the original picture! Made side-by-side comparison with the Ikkitousen one a bit more troublesome, though.
There are probably more differences than similarities with the Ikkitousen girl and the TE one, so that one doesn't really bother me. But the other girl is way to blatant!
if its give you a boner..
I wonder how the artist finish the artwork...
maybe they want a 90 degree gymnastic-like pose? the one with toes touching their noses or something like straight-up open legs? just what IS the requirement to make them shut up about poses??
There's a gif on 2ch showing the changes. The third girl looks exactly like an image of Haruna from To LOVE-Ru.
You can find it with google reverse image, or just googling "Haruna To LOVE-RU" to find the the image of Haruna.
kind of funny how at the start of this artcle, this comment was voted down, while all these comments saying "who cares? poses." was voted up. looks like someone with multiple accounts struck again.
It's probably Chen-04. How that comment had (+0.8) in the first few minutes is beyond me.
Perhaps the other 8 Chens with him voted him up? >.>
Wuu, I'm famous \o/ Thank you, guys.
But no, wasn't me. I don't give a fuck about tracing or whatever it's called.
"or whatever it's called."
...XD
Im Chen and im a fag for upvoting my own votes like how i like my own shit on FB
SanCom should update the post based this anon comment
Great, one of the most anticipated is just a clone .. This season reminds me of last year, only to cover the hole in the schedule .. Too bad there is still no hibernation chamber, at least I still have my old backups and old anime on sale. If the season save two releases will be much :P
It's an artist belonging to the company that made the game that the anime is an adaptation of a spinoff of. He's not involved with the anime itself. I don't see why this is grounds to call the show a clone.
Sexy, but I am disappointed!!