Fujoshi watchers (to say nothing of fujoshi students of Japanese) have been marvelling at the advent of a “Japanese for fujoshi” textbook for the Chinese market.
The textbook, produced for Chinese devotees of homosexual romance, covers the basics but also takes care to cover the essentials of yaoi vocalbulary, such as “I want you” (“あなたが欲しい”), “Don’t bite” (“噛むな”), and of course “Because you do it continuously every night, no wonder your body is wrecked!” (“連続で毎晩するから、体が壊れるわけだ”).
Lessons are delivered by the five vowels, each handily anthropomorphised as a bishonen archetype (or a little shota in the case of “O”):
Japanese who have encountered it seem prepared to endorse its value as a serious textbook, perhaps more than can be said for many of the manga-themed English textbooks aimed at Japanese.
The tome is reportedly available now throughout China, Hong Kong (where it is published) and Taiwan.
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This sums it all up.
I don't understand why virgins like to hate on female geeks, they're the mirror image of male otakus. They should be working together to get Ishithara and other fascists the fuck out of Japan.
Mirror image of (every single) male otakus (categorically), no.
Mirror image of those yuri-only-nothing-else extremist/virgin hunters who rage and tear up their entire collection of the series at the slightest hint or an imagined implication their favourite character is having or might have had a boyfriend, maybe.
@ Anon 2:16
As far as I understand the connotation, 'fujoshi' essentially means the fanatical female fan who imparts their reality of a series or characters upon others regardless of logic or reason. Kind of like overly religious people and evolution as a concept.
As for potential romance between guys, from what I have seen, that tends to annoy us guys because women can be in a friendly relationship with one another and try on bras together. This is not the same for most guys. I understand the concept of projecting feminine aspects onto male characters and finding it to be fun. This is not in dispute.
The problem, if you actually read what I wrote, is the same ass-backwards logic you just spewed back at me in response to my issue with HER ass-backwards logic. Therefore, YOU are part of the PROBLEM. Nobody cares about statistics that may flimsily connect a few guys together that may make them gay. Sure the possibility is there, but is it really? No, no it's not. If it's not covered in the story and brought up seriously, then it's not there. To imply otherwise is to pretend that you somehow know more than the author, which is impossible. If they had a couple moments of introspection or a gentle conversation here and there, god forbid a guy can have a balanced masculine and feminine side and not take it up the ass.
The issue is not gayness, but projecting one's ideals onto something and someone they have no authority over. The girl in question continued to be belligerent about her assertions. Doujinshi authors don't draw massive lesbian scenes declaring that it was that way, it is a PARODY. It's something us guys may look at and go "Hah, that's ridiculous, but it's also pretty hot." We don't try to design every motion into some homosexual tell just to wrap a character up in a package we accept as our only allowable perception. There are guys who do that, and they are just as bad, and you won't find anyone arguing against that except those guys. Doujinshi are giant jokes that make our dicks hard, plain and simple.
What shiroki said, couldn't have said any better myself.
Male otakus are far from even being compared to fujoshi.
Well said, Mr. HouseLife, well said.
Fujoshi are delusional about things like girlfriends in obviously yaoi books. Doesn't matter if they had/have them, in their minds it's temporary. I've mentioned it here before, but years ago a girl I knew insisted all Gundam Wing guys were gay, no matter what. It was on in English on Toonami at the time, and she just kept saying they were all gay. I wasn't really homophobic I didn't think, but it just made me really not like watching it with this underlying wondering if they were actually gay even though really nothing was happening to even hint at anything sexual at all. I was not able to enjoy the story because I was trying to see if I was missing something. But on top of that she claimed that Vash and Spike and all my favorite male leads were gay.
Took several years to get over how annoyed I was at homosexuality in general from that girl's ridiculous implications, and she asserted them like they were obvious and irrefutable with the flimsiest 'evidence' ever. The presence of the girls made no difference. All of them hated Relena even if she was actually a pretty well-done character. I told her that I liked Relena as a character once and she exploded at me.
I didn't know that she was a fujoshi until more recently, since then name didn't exist to us then, but she sure as shit was a good representation it seems.
@HouseLife
Lol, you have no clue how much i can relate to that.
@Anon2
Why would they burn the books? he has girlfriends, not boyfriends.
@Anon3
Most fujoshi's are like that, and no, Otakus don't stalk seiyuu's, unlike the fujoshi's, there's even an article here on Sankaku saying that.
"I didn't see any sort of 'subtext' either in Gundam Wing, but just the fact that the characters 'might' have been gay ruined the series for you? What? Just how homophobic are you?"
There is no subtext, the gundam series is a popular shounen franchise, it has nothing to do with yaoi, houselife pretty much said it, it's just the idiotic, immature, ignorant fujoshi's that annoy people and force their own fucked up ideas on them.
He's not homophobic, it's just that you're a homophile who calls others homophobics when they hate on your yaoi, and that's childish as fuck.
"because we chicks dig romance"
Don't generalise please, and if you "dig romance", why the yaoi? why not yuri too? why not normal pairings? Your point is invalid.
"That aside, here's a thought: in any given work with a large enough cast, according to real world statistics, half of it is (or ought to be if it's at all realistic) either gay or bisexual - that is, in a cast of ten guys there would be one gay guy and four guys open to experimenting with other guys. The same naturally also applies to girls, but there's no shortage of lesbian undertones in anime"
I've never ever heard of such thing.
"according to real world statistics"
No, that's according to retarded fujoshi statistics.
Seriously, this is why people get disgusted with the fujoshi audience, they say and do some really unbelievable shit.
Wait what... Fujoshi stalks seiyuu and male otakus doesn't. Seriously? They stalks way more than the fujoshi >>
Lol, this Anonymous user says some really funny shit.
I recall that in Gravitation the lead male - the blond one - had a string of girlfriends, and nobody burned the books.
And in most of the fujoshi bait series the characters do have prospective love interests.
So no.
HouseLife: yes, she was delusional. Not all fujoshi are. That's like saying all otaku are like those creeps that stalk seiyuu.
I didn't see any sort of 'subtext' either in Gundam Wing, but just the fact that the characters 'might' have been gay ruined the series for you? What? Just how homophobic are you?
To be fair, there used to be a lot of GW yaoi fans back in the day. Most of them just liked exploring the possibility of what a relationship would look like between two characters they like, because we chicks dig romance. If they talk about a relationship being 'likely', they just mean that they think it has the proper chemistry and circumstances, not that it COULD happen.
That aside, here's a thought: in any given work with a large enough cast, according to real world statistics, half of it is (or ought to be if it's at all realistic) either gay or bisexual - that is, in a cast of ten guys there would be one gay guy and four guys open to experimenting with other guys. The same naturally also applies to girls, but there's no shortage of lesbian undertones in anime.
First of all, just because you're a virgin does not mean every male otaku is. second of all, female geeks and fujoshi (yaoi fangirls) Are not the same, sure, female geeks are the counterpart of male otakus, but fujoshi aren't, they're female geeks with "different" interests.
Third, don't blurting out bullshit.
Thank you very much.
@Adom Jensom
If that is a serious question, then I can bring up a potential insight.
Recognizing a group as being different is one thing, but by and large the part that is a detriment to the subculture of Otaku is the small minorities who are most vocal. Much like the loudest morons on this board who will so simply declare some game or anime as pure shit without giving merit to its good parts.
You can speak all you wish about not judging people for their social inabilities, but if it came down to you being around said people, you would say the opposite in almost every case, and they don't want to be around others almost as often.
It's a self-fulfilling downward spiral where they selfishly believe they're special and everyone else just 'doesn't get it' while completely ignoring factual, true things about who they are such as hygiene and their attitudes about reality and those around them. It's all based on psychological wounds from the past, but eventually it's time to face who you are as a human being.
Put simply, it's not our job to unfuck them, they have to unfuck themselves. We can help them along the way, but assholes who cling to their assholiness as some form of treasure and then wonder why nobody likes them or enjoys their attention-whoring (or the reverse, seclusion) are shunned by their own devices, not because everyone 'doesn't get them.' So many US High School Otaku are the loudest and most obnoxious people for no good reason, and combine that with their overall lack of knowledge of life in general mixed in with a smug sense of self worth at being 'outcast' and you have an asshole on gangly legs.
One can be mature and confident in their fandom without being an asshole about it. I have wall scrolls, figures and more games and anime than nearly all my friends combined and it's very noticeable around my place, but I'm not known for it. It is a part of me. I can also have back and forth discussions about things I like and dislike without making it somehow gospel, and give things a second look based on other opinions. It's the people who don't even give any thought to an opposing opinion who decimate any sense of intelligence or reason to interact with them, and unfortunately, gamers, otaku and teenagers fill out that demographic rather heavily. Combine all three... well that was covered above.
Yeah, an anime fan is an anime fan, but saying fujoshi's are the mirror image is plain dumb and ignorant.
I never heard of anyone trying to ban "cartoon porn" before, although it's reasonable if they did try to ban yaoi, despite it not being "cartoon porn".
Anyways, go do your homework, grammar nazi.
Stop blurting out bullshit.*
Why would you want to distract people with Ishihara ? Why bothering with him. Oh, hater is gonna hate, understand ?
And not all fujoshi are virgins, so what?
And 'different' tastes, okay. You know what else is a 'different' taste? Yuri, virgin extremism, lolicon, moe. Isn't it a bit ridiculous to discriminate based on your preference in porn?
Nice grammar fail, and I'm not a virgin but you don't have to believe me.
An anime fan is an anime fan, why bother demonizing one group you don't like? Ishithara wants to ban everyone's cartoon porn, so they should work together.
"they're the mirror image of male otakus"
Wow sir, i'm offended.
No seriously, i'm a male otaku, and i don't remember ever going around trolling on forums and make gay pairings out of male characters <_<
So i'd apperciate if you don't group us with them, saying they're the mirror image of us is very, very, fucking offending on many levels.
Guys liking Yuri = Perfectly fine
Girls liking Yaoi = Homg God!
...Whaaaaaat. I'm a fujoshi and... Well, I'm perfectly fine with you guys liking Yuri no matter how much you guys aren't fine with me liking yaoi.
It'll only be irony/hypocrisy if I 'ew' at you guys liking yuri.
Nice going destroying Adam Jensen's look and giving it a super-low quality, Adom Tardsom.
@10:55
Well, i personally wouldn't make unncessary lesbian pairings, and if i did, i'd be sure not to flaunt it for the sake of annoying others (Although for some reason, people seem to not mind Yuri as much as Yaoi).
You still here, Adom Tardsom?
@14:01 "real otaku" is a poser talk.
"U mad.
Otaku and fujoshi both mate with pillows, that makes them similar enough in my book."
Wow a memetard. not worth the attention but here's my two cents.
Go burn that book of yours, now. right now.
You would make random gay pairings out of females though. Because lesbians are hot.
Real Otaku don't call themselves Otaku.
@Anon 02:48
Yuri is mainly for the females, do your homework before you blurt out utter nonsense.
U mad.
Otaku and fujoshi both mate with pillows, that makes them similar enough in my book.
You want to burn books, and I'm the nazi. Classic Anon scrub logic.
And I'm offended about being compared to a smelly virgin NEET whose only romantic experience is a dating sim.
Ah well. It's not like I'll have have the opportunity to be 'rejected' by you from your basement.
As a female otaku, I feel slightly offended. But I agree, Ishihara should be removed via concerted effort. If fujoshis are what it takes to do so, I can compromise. I'll squirm and resist very strongly any urge to punch them, but I'll work with them if I have to.
Fujoshi ARE part of the whole Otaku community, But they aren't to be compared to Otakus or Female otakus, the preferences and hobbies are different.
You sir are correct.
It pains me to see how ignorant some of the otaku are not to realize fujoshi as part of the community.
I would like to know why are some people so close-minded.. So many stereotypes! I admit there are fujoshis who intend to press their ideas into other people's likes, but there aren't all like that. Fujoshis like yaoi, and it might be a bit annoying that -a part of them- intend to convert every single shonen manga into a yaoi manga, but if you hate it that much, just IGNORE IT! I don't say that you have to start reading (/watching) yaoi, I just say that people need to be more err.. comprehensive; anyhow, the sexual orientation of the story character lies in the hands of the mangakas, they won't change anything no matter how many doushinjis nor fanfics, etc, they do. This kind of discussions really piss me off.. Just let the fujoshis be and ignore them, nobody have the rights to insult someone's like.
It's a woman. It's not supposed to make sense.
You make no sense.
Basically people still have the
"FemalexFemale = Hot" while "MalexMale = Not"
They (male otaku) are angry because they share so many similarities with fujoshi.
Did you make a new account just for the sake of trolling?
Male otakus don't give a flying fuck about the Fujoshi's nor do they give a fuck about normal female otakus. We're getting our material every season with added ass and vagina, we're fapping without giving a flying fuck about what some NEET rotten smelly foreveravirgin girl does.
And for the record, Many countries allow lesbian couples but prohibit gay male couples.
Go to the wiki page of homosexuality legalisation in countries and see for yourself, people are more tolerant towards lesbians. Now get lost.
Yes it does.
Because Yaoi = Gay male relationships.
Yuri = Gay female relationships.
and Gay female relationships = more tolerated and accepted worldwide than gay male relationships, the fact that many countries allow lesbian couples and prohibit gay couples just proves that.
Um no. I just typed my screen name with numbers, it's the same account. Why would I need two accounts here?
And your "For the record" comment does not relate to my posting in any form.
The "oh so offended ones" are just too deluded to see that. Ultimately all otakus worship 2D folks that they can never get, doesn't matter if heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual, whatever sexual... They claim the characters in their own mind, construct their own universe and declare them canon. They get huffy when some other haters comes alone and shit on their ideas.
The ones going all indignant saying yaoi is not comparable to other fandoms and should be stopped are just about as Ishihara as it gets. "What do you mean about celebrating the characters in other ways than the ways that I agree with!?"
Thing is, This and that are two different things. and you're a complete idiot.
You seem mad, what's your story?
Oh, so idignant one decides to refute all arguments by calling people "idiot". He must be right. Seems like the way to win arguments. His view is the only right one after all.
You seem to be getting a lot of arrows shot at you, but then again some of these people don't like being called out for what they really are. Why else with some highly defensive replies?
Simply put; fujioshi's are the equivelant of male otakus who are very extreme about...their obsessions. E.g. "She no virgin!? Destroy collections!!" or "VA has boyfriend?! Send offensive things to her!!". Goes that extra mile than your average otaku.
There is no real term (none that I know) that has a female equivelant of male otaku, since in general females are catergorized the same under otaku. We do need a term that categorize the male otakus who are completely out of touch with reality, then we'll have a equivelant of fujioshi right there and vice versa.
Fujoshi (腐女子?, lit. "rotten girl") is a self-mockingly pejorative Japanese term for female fans of manga and novels that feature romantic relationships between men.
Nope, fujoshi's aren't the equivelant of male otakus.
"There is no real term (none that I know) that has a female equivelant of male otaku"
Lol...Dude, the word "Otaku" doesn't specify a gender, it's just used to describe an Anime/Manga/Visualnovel/Lightnovel fan, so basically, the the equivelant of male otaku is female otaku, even an idiot doesn't need me to tell em that.
i'll explain further.
Fujoshi Otakus are female otaku who're fans of BL (Boys love/Yaoi).
Female otaku are the equivelant of Male otaku, if male otakus read Shounen, female otakus read Shoujo, if male otakus play Galge, female otakus play Otomege, and so on.
So Female Otakus = Non-BL fan girl otakus.
Fujoshi = BL fan girl otakus.
The one who's missing out the point here is you.
Obviously there is no term for male Yuri fans Because Yuri was not intended for them, Yuri was intended for the female audience, and that explains alot.
Also the reason why they use the term "Fujoshi" for the BL fangirls is because the idea of a woman being interested in homosexual relationships between men doesn't really sound that pleasant. it's nearly the same thing as with "faghags", except faghags are a little bit worse.
@ 19:57
Way to miss the point, but then it seems I struck a chord with some weeaboos here unsurprisingly...I know what a fujioshi is and I know what Otaku are. But if you want to be a smartass about it then "Otaku" is not just for anime, manga or related media. Meaning Otaku's can be into anything. However it's most used for the context of anime et al.
With regards to Otaku being non-gender specific, no shit sherlock. Why else did I mention how there is no distinctive term between "MALE" and "FEMALE" otaku, but if threre is I don't know it. Is reading comprehension that lacking on this site? Rhetorical question....
My point is, there is no term that would be a pair for a fujioshi for males. If fujioshi are obsessive towards yaoi, then what are males who are obsessive about yuri? Christ how hard was that to understand? Think of the term homosexual; yet we have gay, lesbian, faggot. They don't hold exact conotations, but relate to being homosexual either way. If there are fanboys there are fangirls...seriously. I'm not talking talking about the characteristics of a group of people in particular, I'm on about whether or not a term, word or label even exist for distinction sake.
You know what? Adom is probably right. They kind of are the female counterpart to _creepy_ otaku. Yes, all otaku are considered creepy by normal people. Whatever, I still like Ogiue from Genshiken. Fujoshi or not.
On a side note.. it says a lot about all you people that are offended by looking in a mirror, lol.
"Of course they aren't into exploring romance beyond what the series offers"
Yes they do, those hentai doujins you see every day, they're full of it. It's just that Male otakus don't make everyone gay and make unnecessary pairings.
Again, male otakus don't go pair everyone up and make them gay or stalk seiyuu's.
Sure, all otaku considered Creepy by normal people, but Fujoshi's are considered even more creepy by both normal people and the otakus.
@Chen-04
Dude, What mirror image? I don't recall Otaku shipping men.
Never heard of such thing.
and knife on hand? for what? To stab their favourite seiyuus? Sounds legit.
For fuck's sake, at least the pairings in hentai doujinshi's are normal. you got a problem with that?
rule 63 are you fucking kidding? You're talking about a fucking internet porn meme in a completely disscusion? is your brain functioning properly? What the hell?
That's because male otaku are MALE. Of course they aren't into exploring romance beyond what the series offers.
And male otaku DO stalk seiyuu, have you been reading Sankaku at all?
"and knife on hand? for what? To stab their favourite seiyuus? Sounds legit."
To harass seiyuu they don't like into quitting for example.
Still, hilarious how people hate their mirrorimage. "Oh noez, we are totally not like that. Look, if I move my left hand their right hand moves! And if I go left, they go right. Can't you see the BIG difference?"
"Again, male otakus don't go pair everyone up and make them gay or stalk seiyuu's."
I always assumed only male otakus would stalk seiyuus. As in "stalking". You know, the creepy kind of stalking, with a knife on hand. Not the following around and taking pictures stalking.
Also.. we sure love to pair up everyone. Don't you know any one piece doujinshis and how nami is everyones bitch?
As to making them gay... rule 63 doesn't count? Than take all those other doujinshis were female characters are made gay for our reading pleasure.
I'd say pretty bold marketing on the part of the Chinese. Hell, sell some of these and you'll become a millionaire overnight. ;P
Lol, if even Yaoi anime doesn't sell well, how do you expect these books to?
Nope, BL doesn't sell.
This is how anime buisness works.
Something or a specific genre sells = They make more of it. and as you can see, they rarely air BL, meaning it doesn't sell, meaning your point is invalid.
if you want to check the sales record list, go to mania.com forums, and check the list there, you won't find any BL anime on the top 100 selling animes, and to break it down to you, unpopular genres are selling alot better than BL (Well not like BL was popular to begin with lol)
There is a reason Yaoi does not sell well.
It is gay.
Seriously? BL SELLS.
Clearly... You didn't look at the facts before talking ;)