Apprendre le Japonais avec Saber
- Categories: Manga, News
- Date: Feb 4, 2012 21:37 JST
- Tags: Education, Fate/stay night, France, Haruhi, Plagiarism, Saber, Schoolboys
The appearance of Saber in a French Japanese conversation phrase book and Haruhi and her minions in a Japanese social education tome have been causing some astonishment online.
Sadly, investigations reveal this may be more a case of plagiarism than Saber generously helping French learn another language of surrender:
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In similar news, characters not dissimilar to Haruhi, Nagato, Kyon and Koizumi have been caught teaching children the finer points of human rights:
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Shouldn't Saber be teaching English instead of French?
I bet she'd be a stellar teacher in Old English.
But it's more likely that she would be speaking Latin instead of Saxon or Welsh...
You mean, Ye Olde Englishe.
lol
Thee hath spoken truthfully.
also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB7f_kZQ9hY
Only if she's teaching the French how to say "I surrender" in Old English.
The history Nazi in me is forcing me to point out that she was a Celt and would have spoken a language similar to Old Welsh.
Arthur appears in Nennius' Historia Brittonum, which pre-dates Alfred. Later authors had a variety of influences, likely including both Alfred and Charles, but the names in the earlier stories are largely Welsh or French.
The Servants in Fate/Stay Night are composites of a Heroic Spirit, of a class or vessel, and, I believe, some interaction with the Masters. Clearly this Saber speaks Japanese. I'm not far enough in the VN to be sure if she speaks any other languages, or the extent to which Arthur is historical within the Fate/Stay Night story.
The history Nazi in me is forcing me to point out that she (he) was a fictional character probably based on Alfred the great who was an Old English speaking Anglo-saxon...
That's Right but using Caster from Fate/Zero for teaching French will not be very moe, does it ?
the scholomance would be a fitting place for "caster".
she could teach moe their dont you think so too? ^^
npc: Cameo Appearance "Caster" lvl ??? mob.
Unique 3D Modell/Clothing (resembling caster from fate/stay night)
quest: "let's learn french!"
I said Caster from ZERO, so use Giles de Rais who is French... But not the sexyiest French indeed.
Come one, If I had Gilles de Rais as my French and Litterature teacher everything would have been so awesome.
"My dear pupils did you finised your essay on the Necronomicon ?
-Uh...I haven't sir.
-Oh, well, I will let that one pass. Go to the Teacher's Room, It seems like I forgot the copies for this class.
-Okay.
*get out*
*scream*
*sounds of chewing and flesh being torn apart*
-Listen everyone, always finish your work on time, or you will be punished."
and i meaned the caster voiced by:
Tanaka Atsuko
this person isn't french but... japanese.
I always had the impression that the Saber we know is better fitted as Joan De Arc to begin with.
some of arthur legend take place in france you know.
celtic culture don't like geography at all...
^"generously helping French learn another language of surrender:"
I had to laugh there, reminds me of a German joke: What does the French soldier learn first? How to say "We surrender in German".
That said, how do you get a French waiters attention? Start ordering in German!
A French rifle is for sale on e-bay. It's never been fired but I heard it's been dropped once.
Ask any American infantryman from the War of Independence up to WWII who had the misfortune of being equipped with French-made arms and they'll tell you the damn things never worked to begin with.
Quite the parades you have in Hugary.
On a Hungarian army-parade, 2 of 3 French ground-to-air missile failed to hit the target dummy.
I definitely lol'd.
Zing! haha
I know it's a joke, but on average the French have historically fought quite well. In our memory (because we're not French I suppose) a few of the big losses stick, but on the whole they haven't done badly for themselves. And they've got something to show for it: it's still a huge country, a military (they've got quite an army, and nukes) and economic superpower.
So yeah, I watch QI.
*Historically*, they have fought well.
But they've been losing pathetically ever since Napoleon bit off more than he could chew; they've been wimps for the last 200 years.
The French did not have a fascist economy bent on preparing for war, that is why they could not defend themselves during WWII, the Brits and espc. the Americans had had some sea between them and the German war machine of 1940-42. After 1942, the Soviets became too powerful for the Germans to deal with by themselves.
Read some history book or watch ginga eiyuu densetsu which pretty much copied lots of history books and made them into one looong anime. Pretty boring anime if you weren't asleep during history classes.
I'm no huge fan of French, but the withdrawal during WW2 was a pure strategical move (*). There was no point to fight larger army and suffer casualties at the point of time when (1) no proper counter-strategy was in place and (2) Germany dumbly went on stretching their fronts, making them more vulnerable.
And IMO it wasn't Napoleon's defeats. Those were the lessons learned during WW1. You should read some history books on what kind of pathetic mess it was.
(*) One can also say that French learned the trick from Nepoleon's defeat in Russia: Russians vacated Moscow, the capital, and let French to capture it but at the same time let the conflict drag longer than the Napoleon was prepared for.
i love individual folks who judge a whole country, before you say that today's french are surrender monkeys, wich war have you won by yourself? what example to you have to show?
kind of like those americans who barely speak their own native language and still complain that french or japanese don't speak english well enough... talk about hindsight :o
Everyone.
Take your flag out your ass and stop being butthurt.
I hate to break it to you all, but all your countries either suck right now or sucked in the past, maybe even both.
But on the bright side, your country is awesome in one way or another.
Except Syria.
"But they've been losing pathetically ever since Napoleon bit off more than he could chew; they've been wimps for the last 200 years."
It took all other european nations united together to actually stop him though...
And even after that France managed to be on the victorious side most time. (even in WWII -the gouvernment surrendered but lot of french ppl actually fought until the country was freed-)
ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 ww2 and always the same shit about the same war, and the same simple-minded jokes.
Let's talk about the history of celtic people in great britain Shitposting Scumbag, can you really laugh at french military history? seriously?
@dummy
It may have worked out well from in terms of long-term strategy, but you can hardly call it a "move"; the French had no choice but to surrender due to their army being destroyed and the Germans having complete control over airspace.
The French didn't give up so that the Germans would eventually be beaten by Britain, they gave up because they were defeated in spirit and didn't want to fight. The French experiment in Fascism was quite anti-British.
They could have tried retreating to their empire and fighting from there, as Churchill promised Britain would do if need be, and some French government officials tried only to be declared traitors by the surrendering government.
The French "surrender monkey" reputation comes only from the Second World War, but it was well-earned there.
Tu portes bien ton pseudo.
@anon 23:21
es-tu furieux?
Napoleon to mention one of their greater military achievements.
Anonymous 02:10 05/02/2012, I wish I could hate you so much I could kill you over the Internet. If France buys your land you don't magically become ethnically French overnight. Before the purchase, Corsica was Italian territory. It was ruled by Pisa from IX through XIII century, then it was Genoese territory until 1764.
That makes over 8 centuries of being ethnically Italian.
02:10
Reminds me of the right who crucified Dreyfuss. They do not represent the ideologies of France today so they're not really French.
Napoleon wasn't exactly French though, he was Corsican.
in fact the island got bought by france one year before he's born, so he's really french.
You're not French.. But a lot of French readers on this site (as I am)..
And you can easely understand that this kind of lame "joke" isn't really well appreciated
Hände hoch! Keine Bewegung!! Auf die Knie!!!
Though guys you fully deserve it.
With you 100% lame attitude and open disrespect to other languages, you created a huge communication barrier you force others to overcome. But very few bother to.
The poor communication on your part *is* the foundation for all the jokes. And they are not lame. To me, who lives last 10 years in Germany, they are pretty funny ;)
@Dummy:
The French aren't the only ones though.
Almost all nations want others to overcome the barrier.
Especially English speaking countries have that problem.
callig it lame, then a second later doing it yourself. what kind of moron are you?
well, France has the best victory/defeat ratio of all European countries from 1200 to 2000, so you know.. suck on that ^^
And, it's kind of lame for Germans to joke on France, knowing that we both come from the same empire. We're kind of brother countries. So go choke on your curry wurst.
@Dummy00001
Yet, you go on this website, watch animated series from a country that's one of the most xenophobic in the whole world, the country that doesn't even know proper english, not even teachers.
Double standards all the way.
The same way that JoePa was the most winningest coach in college football, France is the most winningest country in terms of warfare.
Sure they've lost a few times, some of them spectacularly so, but statistically speaking they've won more times than lost
like it or not Napoleon conquered half Europe so i wouldn´t laugh so easily.
they were awesome.. till they killed all the intelligent people during their revolution. They haven't been the same since.
Aristocracy made up of inbred retards who couldn't run a nation's bureaucracy anywhere as well as they could powder their noses all day =/= intelligent people
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the french have a great military history, it's just that it's been getting a bad wrap for the past few centuries with napoleon and the whole colonization and imperialism thing, of which they pretty much were bested by the British and in WWII.
Yeah, the French really never were as good as the British at subjugating foreign cultures, if not killing them outright.
I think you mean ‘bad rep’ as in ‘bad reputation’ (as opposed to ‘bad packaging’). I'm normally not that much of a grammar Nazi, but I make an exception when it's clear people aren't thinking while they type.
#5 in the colonial game isn't so bad (I count Spain, Portugal and Russia to also have had more of a lasting influence in the colony game)
Don't forget the Battle of Agincourt on St. Crispin's Day 1415.
10 dead Frenchmen for every dead Englishman.
"how do you get a French waiters attention? Start ordering in German!"
As a foreigner living in France, I must say it doesn't work... And believe me I tried everything but nothing works with french's waiters.
Si tu vis à Paris c'est normal.
cestus lavie
try to run without paying...
waiters in Paris are usually horrible ; most don't know a thing about service or professionnalism. A perfect emblem for the moody "parigot" inhabitants.
No wonder japanese tourists get depressed here, their badwill alone ruins the trip.
Your name and your avatar work perfectly with this comment.
As much as I despite the French and French Civilisation, even I must admit that through historical evidence, there is nothing braver then a Gaul who thinks he will win.
Of course, the moment the Frenchmen thinks he will lose, they flee like women, like at Waterloo when the Imperial Guard broke, in the Ardennes, and Crecy.
But as long as a Frenchman thinks he can win, he will gladly eat lead through the hell that was Verdun.
Honestly the Americans have a far worse military record then the French, as do the Chinese and Egyptians and Italians.
As a French, it astounds me how every time the word "french" is mentionned it ends in a trolling session.
Going back to the topic. Im not sure if I should be glad that they ripped off my waifu, or angry that it was done so badly and without TM/DEEN permission (this illustration is from the first anime promotion if Im not mistaken).
this was a story about saber :))
also...Libya. ...
A French "surrender" joke.. how original...
How pathetic, yep.
Je fais l'effort d'écrire en anglais mes commentaires ici, mais pour cet article, je ferai une exception.
Le bon racisme et la méconnaissance générale que l'on professe ici et sur Internet m'étonneront toujours... Depuis la crise en Irak de 2003 - avec les effets pervers qui s'ensuivirent - c'est le surnom des français pour les crétins conservateurs du monde entier.
La blague venait tout de même - et c'est là le cocasse - d'un pays, les USA, ayant alors à sa tête l'un de pires présidents de son histoire. Certes, il ne se rendait pas, mais était incapable de savoir situer l'Irak ou l'Afghanistan sur une carte. Si on en avait trafiquer une en lui disant que l'Irak était le Mexique et en lui montrant alors, les USA aurait envahi leur voisin.
Mais ne vous inquiétez pas, les blagues sur les allemands, les américains et les japonais, on en connait. Elles sont par ailleurs aussi pathétiques que les vôtres :
Ex 1 : vs Germany
Le Français :
_Ma chienne a fait des petits
L'Allemand :
_Déchà ?
Le Français :
Non, connard, des chiens.
Ex 2 : vs USA
Un Américain et un Français se rencontrent à la sortie d'un bordel. L'Américain achète des cerises, les mange mais met les noyaux dans sa poche. Le Français lui demande pourquoi. Il répond: Nous on les broie et on vous les revend sous forme de café! Le Français sort de sa poche le préservatif dont il vient de se servir, le vide et le met dans sa poche. L'Américain lui demande pourquoi. Il répond: Nous, on passe les capotes à la moulinette et on vous les revend comme chewing-gum!
Ex 3 : vs Japan :
Les Japonais ne captent plus qu'une seule radio après Fukushima, laquelle ?
La radioactivité
Come on, you underrated stupids morrons... go on google translate.
I actually think French "surrender" jibes reflect more poorly on the jingoistic American who make them than the French, and it was in that sense that I intended the reference.
That said, it is undeniable that France's military prowess has been rather lacking in post-Napoleonic times (no less than 3 crushing losses to Germany, plus various dubious colonial wars), so I don't think it is entirely unfair to comment, particularly where France takes its military so seriously.
"3 crushing losses"?
Franco-Prussian war of 1870, WW2 (when France was eventually on the side of the victors), and...?
You can't seriously be meaning WW1 though. If anything it was a Pyrrhic victory for France (though getting the USA to join the war was a fabulous diplomatic victory for France and the Entente).
C'est absolument vrai que la France a eu une histoire glorieuse, mais tu ne peut pas disputer que recemment, elle ne s'est pas portée aussi bien et a donc gagné cette réputation.
Cependant, je suis d'accord avec toi; je pense que ces américains prendent ce stereotype trop sérieusement.
(Je ne suis ni français ni américain, si tu voulais savoir)
Shitposting Scumbag, my favorite scumbag listen to me: one day, when you'll have a brain, you'll understand that ANYONE would be pissed by hearing the same shit from the same retarded jerks.
2 solutions if you're an human being: being butthurt or being as aggressive as them, but then they say that french people are rude AHAHAHAHAH.
I'm losing my time.
Your post would have almost sounded intelligent if you hadn’t added «LOL» at the end.
And good luck finding the quote of Clemenceau saying that… Although it is true in a sense. Before March (or even June) 1918, the US Army was in no way ready to participate or contribute in the war. Its size, training and equipment were still inadequate (incidentally it was the French who supplied most of the US Army’s equipment. And no, it wasn’t only the chauchat; the artillery and tanks supplied to the US Army by the French were definitely the best and most modern of the war).
Note that Algeria was a military success for the French, and only turned into a disaster due to political and civil unwillingness (cue Vietnam war?). Also the best troops of the French Army were and still are the Troupes de Marine (and they also have been consistently great since their full professionalisation in 1893).
Good point about Gamelin though. He was an excellent chief of staff in WW1, but was in no way a capable commander-in-chief. Things would have gone much differently had Foch outlived him.
Oh, Germans actually can be pretty funny, despite what the British and South Park might claim.
The problem is that lots of German humor is pun-based, and these puns do not translate very well into English. Also Brits tend to dismiss German comedy out of hand.
For your information, the most successful domestically produced movie in Germany is a comedy (Der Schuh des Manitou).
Actually there's a lot of crushing losses relatively recently. Algeria and Vietnam are the most recent. Dien Bien Phu is much, much, much worse than the Tet Offensive. With Dien Bien Phu, the French forces were simply wasted and the French Foreign Legion (the ONLY consistently great armed force of the French) was just "thrown away." With the Tet Offensive, it was actually a pointless offensive in terms of the amount of forces spent for it and the precious little gains they got from it. It only became a turning point because of the domestic unrest about the war in the US.
After Napoleon it seems, the French haven't had much luck with their military leaders. LeClerc and de Gaulle were arguably the last, and only, competent military leaders of the modern era.
It really does say something when people like Gamelin is best remembered for his answer to Churchill's question about the strategic reserve: "There is none."
And then there's Nivelle whose Nivelle Offensive caused the Army to mutiny. And in slight tangent, Clemenceau's dismissal of the US armed forces in WWI as "useless." LOL
Maybe we're butthurt because we're hearing the same fucking jokes since the Irak war, everytime, everywhere, for years.
That plus all the lies, because we know that MANY people are ignorants and believe the country really did nothing for 1500 years.
The French are likes furries, eternally butthurt in online forums.
Also, the first world war saw the French barely hold up with England to help them out. Now if they hadn't displaced all the European industry to the Rurh from the stupid Continental Blockade (Napoleonic wars) and torn down the HRE then Germany wouldn't have been so awfully strong.
I love how seriously the French take everything. They're so easily upset!
And your post also makes me realise that the French are about as good at telling jokes as the Germans.
You guys are too much! I give up! Oops!
fucking ricans live in places like (New) Orleans, Lafayette, Baton Rouge and Paris and I'm still hearing surrender jokes
you europeans in denial should learn a bit of history before making fun of your ancestors
Lol, the majority of the population in New Orleans and Baton Rouge is black. Quite a few of the white people aren't of French decent either.
As one those white people who IS of French decent, please quit trying to piss off one of the few groups of Americans who don't hate the French.
Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys!