Atheists “Less Trusted Than Rapists”


A study which found North Americans regard atheists as being as or less trustworthy than rapists has been making waves online.

The study, conducted by the University of British Columbia and published in the scholarly Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, quizzed American adults (14% of whom identified as atheists themselves, and 67% as Christians) and Canadian students on their attitudes to various groups.

According to one set of findings, atheists were regarded as even less trustworthy than Christians, Muslims, Jews, feminists and homosexuals, finding themselves only as trusted as rapists.

The study’s authors concluded that “people did not significantly differentiate atheists from rapists.”

The study was prompted by a 2007 Gallup poll which found only 45% of Americans would consider voting for an atheist president (which raises some interesting questions in light of the above findings).

One of the authors noted that it seems many find non-believers “a public threat to cooperation and honesty,” based on a belief that morality is impossible without a belief in god, an opinion expressed by nearly half of all Americans in a 2002 poll.

Japanese objections to these attitudes towards atheists seem to have more to do with hatred of foreigners than any actual religious or irreligious sentiment:

“This is why I hate religion.”

“This is crazy!”

“This is why Japanese will never be trusted by Americans.”

“Japanese are Buddhists and Shintoists, not atheists!”

“Rapists and feminists at least have a chance to be reformed. Atheists on the other hand are beyond redemption.”

“The guy who said Japanese are atheists is obviously a typical filthy Korean dog. Koreans only believe in rape, so there’s no way they could understand Shinto.”

“I think Japanese would be more considered polytheistic?”

“Japanese are basically atheistic. They happily celebrate Valentine’s Day and Christmas. They only go to shrines for matsuri, and temples for funerals.”

“The only people who have any real faith in Japan are cults…”

“This is why you can’t trust Christians. They just use justice as an excuse to go around butchering the non-white races.”

“Looking at this thread it is clear there are a lot of atheists about…”

“Religion is pure fantasy.”

“I think theists are the more dangerous lot for slapping a label on all atheists and distrusting them for it.”

“They believe the same about reds. Commies = atheists.”

“To be secular and without morals is to be like China.”

“Nietzschean atheism is harmless, but Marxist atheism is dangerous. The former is an individual creed, whilst the latter is a radical agenda for totally reshaping society.”

“Christianity is evil. They used to come to Japan and steal women and girls in Kyushu and sell them overseas as slaves. The Tokugawa oppression of the Jesuits wasn’t just to protect feudalism.”

“Slavery was common practice in the Warring States period… although I agree with you about the Jesuits.”

“Unlike Christians, Japanese are tolerant and respectful to other religions.”


Until the Meiji period Japanese were ruthlessly persecuting Catholics.

This is why Japanese are said to not know their own history. Catholic Japanese were killed by fellow Japanese. Japanese are extreme in their efforts to exclude other religions.”

“Japan’s religious repression was worse than ancient Rome’s. Japanese are known the world over for this. People who say Japanese are tolerant of other religions are idiots who know no history.”

“The worst are the ones who just label anything convenient to them ‘god’s will.’ Do Americans really think their precious god would forgive them slaughtering innocents at Hiroshima and Nagasaki using nuclear bombs?”

“If you believe you need to be constantly supervised by a higher power in order to stop you committing evil deeds then you really are scum, aren’t you?”

“West = culture of sin, afraid of God’s eyes

Japan = culture of shame, afraid of other people’s eyes”

“Anime otaku can be thought of as a religion. They believe they can interact with fictional characters, and go on pilgrimages to holy sites. All very religious.”

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    Comment by Anonymous
    10:14 07/12/2011 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Religion is way too overrated in this era.

    Comment by Anonymous

    its actually underrated

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    07:27 07/12/2011 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    Wether you have a religion or not doesn't really matter.

    The real big deal is people being boastful and acting like a total ass over their own beliefs.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:08 07/12/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    You are so damn right

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:31 07/12/2011 # ! Good (+0.7)

    they ruin Religion.
    they ruin Politics.
    hell, they even ruin soccer matches.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:25 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Can fanatics ruin food? I mean they have to taste it like everyone else. *Ponder*

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:35 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Depends on if they cook it or not; if they cook it, we're screwed.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:20 07/12/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Yeah, human ignorance is the problem. It has been like that since a long time. Being religous myself, the problem why all the people go hating on religions is because of the people who use religion as an excuse to do bad things. These people are pure evil, because not only that they arent obeying their god, they are also giving their religion a bad name.
    For example, the Koran clearly states that murder is not allowed, and Muslims arent even allowed to declare war. But over the years in the middle east, people started following themselves and has completely forgotten about what their God has said. Eventually idiots like Osama pop up, and uses his religion as an excuse.

    Ignorance is not only in them, but in us and the social media too. If everyone had done a little research, they would know that rape or killibg is forbidden in most religions. But instead they become mindless sheep to the media, wich all of you by now should know, will always bend the truth to gain profit.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:05 11/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Muslims follow their traditions, not Koran.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:29 09/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wait muslims can't start wars? I grew up in Saudi Arabia (I'm a filipino canadian who was born in america) Outside the company town I lived, if you messed with any muslims, it was war between you and their 30 family members. Don't mess with them.

    Also not really caring about religions, I asked a random question just to pass the time to a Muslim dorm guy. He said he would kill me if I tried to make him give up his faith. Needless to say, I started to watch my mouth around that guy a lot more. =(

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    Comment by alidan
    14:11 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    the bible gave us 10 comandments, and though shall not kill is number 1, yet it goes on to say in 38 areas minimum, how i should be killed.

    im assumeing its the same for the koran, where it has a few nice words, than goes on to tell you in detail how to beat/kill people who don't obey, and how non believers aren't people so who gives a fuck.

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    Comment by PirateKing
    12:13 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    Of course it matters !

    If someone believes in some invisible mass murdering maniac in the sky that smites anyone who opposes him or not is a big difference I'd say because I don't like to hang out with crazy people who could at any moment just start a bonfire and try to burn me "because god told me so".

    Comment by Anonymous

    I'm an atheist, but even I feel offended by what you said. What you are talking about are FANATICS, not regular people who believe in some kind of god.
    Try to go outside that little bubble where you live sometime.

    Comment by Anonymous

    He's not just talking about fanatics. He's talking specifically about a person with a chemical imbalance or something else wrong with them that would cause them to not only hear voices but also act on those impulses. That's textbook insanity. It's more than just religious zealotry at that point, and ANYONE could be subject to such hallucinations, not just those who are religious. The statement was not only offensive, discriminatory and completely untrue, it was flat out ignorant.

    Comment by Anonymous

    All christards are fucked up in the head.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:03 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    so when are we getting a cat girl religion?

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:09 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    That I wouldn't mind and that's coming from an atheist.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:18 09/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    yup, actually I found two cat girl gods from Egypt: Sekhmet and Bastet

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:31 09/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Pastafarianism. We should all join it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:57 09/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I would be slightly surprised if neither hinduism nor ancient egyptian religion had a cat girl

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    Comment by Aaric
    13:21 12/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)


    Comment by Anonymous
    06:31 07/12/2011 # ! Good (+0.8)

    I think distrusting people based on their religion is as stupid as distrusting someone for lacking one. There are fanatical people on BOTH sides of the debate. Your spiritual beliefs are only a portion of you as a person. I'll get to know the whole person, and then judge you from there.

    People are always bringing up what people from this religion or that religion have done in the past, or what lack of religion has done to people and so on. Then you have the morons who think that you have a religion you suck at science, or if you have science, you couldn't possibly believe in anything out of the ordinary. Fuck off with that nonsense. It's just an excuse to be a close-minded lazy asshole and not get to know people.

    I don't give a shit if you're Christian, Atheist, or whatever the fuck... Jedi... whatever. Are you a good, intelligent person? There we go. We can get along then.

    (Except missionaries. You're annoying. Fuck you and get off my doorstep.)

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    Comment by xey
    07:06 07/12/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    So, is it true that tons of people check "Jedi" on those surveys every year?

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:32 07/12/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    "The Jedi census phenomenon is a grassroots movement that was initiated in 2001 for residents of a number of English-speaking countries, urging them to record their religion as "Jedi" or "Jedi Knight" (after the quasi-religious order of Jedi Knights in the fictional Star Wars universe) on the national census.

    It is believed the majority of self-reported Jedi claimed the religion for their own amusement, to poke fun at the government,[1] or as a protest against the inclusion of the religion question on the census form."

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    Comment by Assassinister
    08:34 07/12/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    How about OTAKUISM?

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:19 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    @ Anon 08:14:

    "The information isn't to keep tabs on groups like some kind of stalker."

    The information will be used for whatever the people in power want to use it for. Maybe different purposes than those it originally was collected for.

    Maybe many members of some crazy religious group get themselves elected and decide that people of Religion X or Political Group Z are a "threat to national security", "potential terrorists", or excuse-of-the-day, and decide to fuck up these peoples' lives.

    Why would you make such a thing easier for them to do?

    It has happened before. In the 1960s, FBI agents worked with credit bureaus to plant false, negative data which screwed the credit ratings of people belonging to selected groups.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:43 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    silly assassinister, we all know otakuism is the worship of idols and hatred of anything thatll get in the way of getting their self reportetdly huge cocks/"mad vajayjay skills" to their unrequited love <:3c

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    Comment by Powerpuff Loli
    09:15 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Ugh... Now we can also add "religious demographic creator" to George Lucas' titles.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:44 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    First time I had to fill out a census was last year and it was one of the most personal and prodding surveys I've seen.
    We'll mock it as the government truly shouldn't be forcing us to answer such things. Asking religion and other crap allows them to keep tabs and peoples beliefs. Personally Atheist, by why do the government need to know? It doesn't seem right.
    If I remember right, 2001 had 650k people listed Jedi as their religion, which completely threw off their tallying. We are suppose to answer that completely truthfully by law, but can they truly do something against so many?
    This was also before the Internet went mainstream, so causing something like that to happen is amazing.
    One more thing, Jedi came way before Star Wars ever did, look it up.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:57 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    What Anon 08:14 says. Plus when your descendants look you up in over 100 years time after the census becomes available, and see that you thought you were a 'Jedi', they are going to think you were a bit of a twat.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:03 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    OTAKUs! embrace the Holy Divine Trinity of Haruhi/MinMay/Mio! (MinMay is from the Old Testament)

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:14 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    The information isn't to keep tabs on groups like some kind of stalker. Information collected by the census is very valuable and important for all sorts of things, from administrative to academic. The Census data is used for many, many things including research on human trends and population movements. There is a purpose, no need to get paranoid.

    Amusing as the Jedi stunt was, it probably messed up anyone trying to track religious movements or other population related statistics. Which is why being truthful is important, even if a good deal of people aren't.

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    Comment by owi2000
    09:51 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    The US government acknowledges Jedi as a religion, going so far as to allow armed forces personnel to have Jedi as their religion on their dog tags.

    Just a lil fyi.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:52 07/12/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Damn... the called the troll's bluff? That's one thing they did right. And it's right because it's hilarious.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:29 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    And thus Religion = Fantasy

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:13 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Unfortunately, its now apparently a felony to write "Jedi" as your faith in Australia, as you can be FINED A LOT OF MONEY FOR IT.

    Well, they did descend from convicts, stands to reason they hate freedom of speech.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:51 07/12/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    So you can lie and check the wrong box, but you can't write Jedi?

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:50 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    The funniest MODERN law I have read that has NOT been written out of the charters is in Missouri:

    "It is illegal to walk your bear on Main Street without a leash."

    How the heck would that be relevant nowadays?

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:09 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Apparently stupid laws exist everywhere. Imagine that.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:15 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Am I church of Haruhi.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:03 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Harken!!! We have a true believer!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:54 07/12/2011 # ! Good (+0.9)

    I admit I was on the bandwagon of distrusting religions for the sake of it. But after opening my mind and doing some research (and maturing in my views towards people) I realized that religion wasn't the problem. It was human ignorance that was ultimately the issue, which led me to understand that individuals couldn't be judged for having a religion anymore than someone could be judged for lacking one.

    I couldn't be stupid enough to deny that many of the world's greatest scientific minds had religion. Nor could I deny that religions like Christianity gave rise to valuable artwork, music, and architecture. I also have great respect for humanitarians who had religion (MLK, Gandhi, Dalai Lama, Mother Teresa, etc.) So instead of viewing these people as masses or movements, I examine them as individuals. Where they geniuses? Where they valuable? Where they helpful? Where they ultimately good?

    That's what matters now.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:18 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.3)

    You know that Mother Theresa was a complete scumbag who any sane person would despite, right?

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:50 07/12/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    I'm happy to hear what you have to say about her if you'd care to elaborate.

    I'm not Christian, as anyone with reading comprehension could tell you from my post. If you want people to take you seriously as an intelligent individual, make logical points without labeling people as "christards" and maybe you'd have more credibility. Otherwise you sound like a brainless fanatic.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:04 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't care about the idiot you're replying to, but you don't make a case for yourself by asking them to perform the equivalent of a Google search about Mother Theresa. Smugness isn't the answer, you can use a computer too.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Don't even bother bringing up a point if your idea of an argument is "I don't like Mother Teresa, go search Google and see why *I* don't like her."

    I was hoping you two (three?) would actually have a good conversation about this. But no, we have someone telling someone else to just Google it because they can't be bothered to make their own points while at the same time ignoring the core of the rest of the argument.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Sadly christards prefer the ignorance is bliss type of mentality.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:12 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Albert Einstein said he was a religious person. But he didn't belive in the Jewish or the Christian God.
    i think being atheist is bulshit. people have "their own" God, their own view on something that is bigger than human strength. we could have 7 billion different religions, with each human their prophet.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:32 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Then you're an idiot. I'd argue the opposite-- being religious is bullshit. People don't actually believe in gods, they're just projecting their desires for an orderly universe that recognizes their oh-so-great suffering, instead of the real, decidedly chaotic world that doesn't give a damn what you think, feel or sufffer.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:13 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    You clearly haven't read squat about Einstein.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    08:51 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Or atheism.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:53 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    i think being atheist is bulshit. people have "their own" God, their own view on something that is bigger than human strength.

    I see this as selfish desire to feel important through some fundamental power which works in our favor. Without "god" humans are merely pieces of dust on a rock far away from anything significant in this universe and we only exist mere fractions of a moment barely affecting
    Some people have trouble comming in terms to that. We call them religious. Others, like Einstein see god as nothing more than a metaphor for the universe and it's inner workings.

    ...every one who is seriously engaged in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that the laws of nature manifest the existence of a spirit vastly superior to that of men, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.

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    Comment by PirateKing
    12:14 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Don't mention the crazy sadist ho Theresa with Gandhi and MLK who actually tried to help people instead of making them suffer because "god says so" !

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:30 07/12/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    I see that people don't like Mother Theresa. That's fine. But that doesn't negate the rest of the argument, especially when you're willing to acknowledge that Gandhi and MLK were good people.

    Both of them should be examined as people who did good deeds and had good messages to spread to the world. It would be ridiculous to discount them among good, intelligent people just because they had a religion. What matters is they were good people.

    This is what I mean when I say I don't care if you have a religion or not. Sure it's popular and easy to make fun of Christians, but logically it's also rather trite if you mean to actually make a point about an individual.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:58 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)


    Comment by Anonymous

    Fuck mother Teresa!

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:11 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Bride of Christ. I imagine being god he's fairly well endowed. It might be an effort in futility.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:13 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Don't: You don't know where she's been!!

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    Comment by HouseLife
    07:37 07/12/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    Missionaries are uselessly annoying, but there were actually a few women coming to my door recently to talk about something related to the feminine and god being a woman or something. These people, like any other, are glorified religion salesman and trying to make god a woman is just as stupid as making god a man. But the fact that women were coming to my door to basically talk about the Goddess energy really did actually make me happy.

    It's proof positive that the perceptions of religion are really balancing themselves a bit across our collective unconscious. The concept of a male god and only a male god has existed long enough now, and in order for true balance to occur, the world has to remember the Goddess Energy, the feminine, and re-integrate it into the belief systems again. Balance can't be achieved without recognition of both sides.

    It's not new at all. Just forgotten. So bringing it back will not necessarily be as hard as it needs to be. Ironically the people who can really harm it are the militant feminists. They actually used masculine tactics to achieve their goals in a time where that worked in their favor. It doesn't anymore, so it's in their favor to reconnect with that side of themselves again.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:54 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    God in Christianity is an absolute existence which cannot be defined in our views. There was never a "man god" or a woman god" in any of the Judaism derived religions.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:55 07/12/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    I think what he's saying is that if God is "neither" then he has the energy of both, and therefore, since we as humans have both, both energies should be respected.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:55 07/12/2011 # ! Good (+0.8)

    "If you can't even define the damn thing, how the hell can you actually believe that it exists?"

    It depends on which religion you want the definition for. I think the definition this comment chain is talking about is the spirit, God, who has both male and female (yin and yang) energy, which is why both should be honored.

    But from your tone I'm guessing you weren't actually looking for intelligent discussion, right?

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:59 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    And you're the reason people don't like atheists.

    Can't keep to yourself nor respect other's views while putting yourself on a higher pedestal.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:07 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    The founding fathers are an exception because it was the norm from those times. Either believe in some kind of deity or else.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:20 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Nah, christards and deists are just fucked up in the head."

    It's a good thing the Founding Fathers of America weren't Christians or Deist. Oh, wait....

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:00 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nah, christards and deists are just fucked up in the head. They can't admit to themselves they'll cease to exist when they finally die.

    Comment by Anonymous

    If you can't even define the damn thing, how the hell can you actually believe that it exists?

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    Comment by PirateKing

    You're a brainwashed douchebag. Equating feminine traits with good things and masculine with bad is complete bs feminazy propaganda. Btw, in the end Feminism is like "White Power". They only care about themselves and getting what they want and if they have to trample others and spit on their rights then that is fine by them. Or have you ever heard of feminists saying "oh no, that would be too onesided and unfair against men so lets tone it down to really be equal and fair to men and women alike" because I sure haven't and I don't think I ever will !

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    Comment by Ethan
    12:36 07/12/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    No one said anything about feminine traits being good and masculine traits being bad.

    But I distinctly remember you going on and on about how "men use women for sex," which is Feminist thinking that is used against men at every turn these days, especially in faulty court cases.

    So if anyone is a feminazi it's you.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:37 07/12/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    We decided that PK is a trolling feminist woman, remember? Ignore her.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:58 07/12/2011 # ! Good (+0.8)

    I had a buddy whose bitch of an ex used the same argument. "He used me for sex," "I'm a victim of harassment," blah blah blah. Stupid greedy bitch was lying to get money and sympathy.

    PirateKing, take your hiking boots and your butch mullet and fuck off, you feminazi piece of shit whore.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:31 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    PirateKing is just trying to redeem himself from all that Feminazi propaganda he was spewing on a previous article that everyone called him on. Don't mind him.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:54 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Yep Yep.

    The people who came up with the idea that atheist are not honest are... well, stupid. So many crooks and rapist are "Christians". Especially when they use it as a title. "Hi, I'm a Christian - call me Jack" rather than "I'm Jack" - like who really cares.

    So for these idiots, they'd trust a Christian child-molester in their home than a non-believer.

    Proves, you can't fix stupid.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:31 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    This ancient game of telephone has go to go. Education in comparative religion would likely be the key.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:27 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    No, there's definitely reason to mistrust people for their religion...

    When your morality and inhibitions are based on external commands, rather than internal, not only are you in danger of being mislead into doing stuff that is harmful to others, you are also a danger if you 'lose faith' and thereby remove the external pressure.

    Stephen Fry did a tour of America, and he told a story about this redneck he met that was absolutely convinced that if he didn't have God watching over him he'd be raping and killing his neighbor.

    Tell me you feel safe around such people, instead of wanting them locked up for psychiatric treatment?

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:01 07/12/2011 # ! Good (+0.5)

    You don't know these people, and have no proof that all of their morality or goodness comes from external sources. An evil person will always show himself to be evil, religion or not. A good person will be good with or without religion.

    This is why it's important to realize that a person's spiritual beliefs are only a portion of the person. It's inane to assume that a person who does a good deed only did it because of religion if they happen to have one. In the end, you don't know that, and it's trite to dwell on it.

    If a Christian fire fighter risks his life to save my family from a burning building, I'm not going to say, "Fuck you, you probably only did this because you're Christian." The man just saved lives. God didn't tell him he had to become a fire fighter or run into burning buildings. That was his decision.

    Comment by Anonymous

    They're still fucked up in the head.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:55 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Most people who say that are just exagerrating stuff immensely to make an argument, but there is something to it. Many human beings don't care about others unless there is some sort of consequence.
    Also there's the whole concept of eventual justice' over abstract justice.

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    Comment by Crazy_O
    20:49 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    "There are fanatical people on BOTH sides of the debate."

    Iv never seen an atheist being fanatical because he is an atheist. He may be also a communist and being fanatical about that, but how can you do something fanatical from a lack of a belief in something.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:47 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    because when you don't get off your high horse and engage in reconcilliary debate, then you're a fanatic. even if you're fanatic in not believeing in something.
    most atheists i know's religion is Science. they believe in any journal, in every article, in every statistic. Science is about doing, not about reading and saying "yes is true!". as a matter of fact, there are always scientific people who are challenging familiar concepts all the time to see if it's true or not. most people are lazy and take for granted human schemes such as evolution, or relativity, or how brain works, etc.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:55 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    because when you don't get off your high horse and have a conciliatory debate then you're a fanatic. even if you're fanatic on not believing in something.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Atheists believe they are better than everyone and are fanatical about trying to get people not to believe in something.

    The comments being spewed should tell you that. Most of the people hurling around insults and calling names are people backing atheism.

    The people who have a religion, or the people who question it (agnostics or non-religious) are all having intelligent conversations or trying to reason with the people who came in to do nothing but complain and insult and belittle people. But for the most part, the religious were talking to each other while the atheists came in determined to add nothing to the conversation except to throw tantrums.

    And yet it's always atheists who hypocritically proclaim that people are always trying to push their beliefs on them.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:34 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Thanks for admitting you're a coward while the religious fucktards erode secular rights.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:20 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    6:30 what does it matter? Do you have an actual point to make? Do you have anything intelligent to say? No, I thought not. Please, continue to prove my point.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:30 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I assume you're another agnostic/deist coward.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:24 09/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Up yours coward.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:16 09/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    just shut up and stop making atheists look bad. -_-;;

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:58 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Atheists believe they are better than everyone and are fanatical about trying to get people not to believe in something.

    So are you saying that atheists have priests?

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    Comment by John Bobson
    12:39 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nice complete, sweeping generalization, 6:04. I'm glad to see that your great cognitive powers are being put to good use sweeping everyone under some bizarre umbrella. Your stereotyping, frankly, just proves too many people right for me to be entirely comfortable.

    Anyway, pull your head out of your ass and have a nice look at the real world.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:03 29/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Seems more like you're the coward for not having an intelligent argument at hand. Say, aren't you a little late for elementary, Timmy?

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:52 07/11/2015 # ! Neutral (0)

    Following a religion means that there is a specific book with a specific mythology that you look at and say "Yes, these are things I agree with and want to abide by.".

    If that book has pedophilia, promotes making war on peaceful neighbors, and has detailed instructions for how to mutilate non-believers and those captured in battle, then I think it's reasonable to say that I distrust someone who uses that material as a guidepost for their life.

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    Comment by Erin Bushay
    22:56 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    @Anonymous 6:31

    It's not that Atheist think religious people suck at science, I'm sure everyone knows there are highly respected scientist who believe in a god. How I and most atheist think is that it's strange that someone who understands and works in science can believe something so far from logical.

    The other thing I'd like to mention is that Many Priests, including ones in the Vatican, don't believe in God, they believe in the Bible. Meaning they don't think there is some supernatural being who exist but they believe the teachings of the Bible to be a good guide to life. This I understand, this makes sense to me as it's just using the Bible for moral guidelines (treating it as just a book, what it really is) instead of dismissing science with the supernatural.

    And to say we just need to get along but then finish by telling missionaires to ef off seems like a horrible thought. It'd be like if I said, "I don't care if someone is religious, as long as they're a good person I'll like them. Except for Jehovahs, they can rot." It kills the sentiment when you do stuff like that. I don't hate Jehovahs either, anyone that dedicated to something is pretty amazing.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:56 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I agree with this anon, this crud is getting out of control. Such human ignorance just screws with everything.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Well fuck you too. I'm a missionary and I don't bother anyone's doorstep unless I am invited.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:05 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Spread reason and logic, not religious superstition.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:22 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I don't mind religious groups who get together and try to help others because they really want to help (many respectable charities are like this). But those who "help" with the sole goal of converting are the worst. Then again, those charities never call themselves "missionaries."

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:31 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Except missionaries try to convert while giving help and that's dishonest.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:05 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Reason and logic and religion aren't mutually exclusive. Anyone who can actually use logic could tell you that.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:54 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I agree with the rest of ure post

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:29 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    By definition you go where you aren't invited and try to convert people.

    "a person strongly in favor of a program, set of principles, etc., who attempts to persuade or convert others."

    Comment by Anonymous

    ok, an atheist ISNT LACKING A RELIGION an atheist is just another way of saying a non retard...

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:51 07/12/2011 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Comments like this are frustrating because it makes all atheists look bad. Name-calling, lack of discussion, acting immature -- this isn't all atheists.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:15 07/12/2011 # ! Good (+0.7)

    13:12 I'm not agnostic, I'm atheist. It's just annoying that people like you make us all look like unintelligent assholes. Then again you're probably religions and doing this on purpose to make atheists look bad.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Fuck off agnostic (secret christard) piece of shit.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Oh, wonderful. Another smug atheist. Just what the world needs. This is why I never identify as an atheist. Besides, being an existentialist is much more fun. You get to read unreadable books and be a pretentious ass. Just plain vanilla atheists on the other hand like to act all righteous and say how much better they are because they don't beleive in some fairytale or whatever wording they like to use. I get it, you don't beleive in God, neither do I, but I don't go on about it. I let people beleive what they want. None of my fucking business. Besides, calling religious people retards? Thats not even funny, you just come off like a dick. See, I come off like a dick because I talk about my fancy philosophy, but I don't go and hate on people because of what they beleive.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:40 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Please don't breed. You're obviously too fucked up in the head with woo woo shit.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Gee, believing in something like a god makes you a retard?

    Hold the damned phone... Why don't we go ahead and look up the term retard now.

    to make slow; delay the development or progress of (an action, process, etc.); hinder or impede.

    Perhaps you are right. Religion has impacted several fields of study and hindered their progress. Especially with all of the wars and everything...

    Then again, religion has been one of the ties that bind peoples together in general since essentially the dawn of mankind, and has been one of the building blocks of society that has caused amazing technological advances historically, often in an attempt to glorify deities.

    Look at the ancient Egyptians and what they accomplished. All for the glory of their gods. They created magnificent structures that have withstood the test of time for thousands of years and are still to this day beyond the comprehension of modern scientific minds. The Great Pyramids for example.

    Isaac Newton was a Christian for fuck's sake. You're going to tell me with a blanket statement that people who believe in a "God" are retards?

    Go ahead. Please go ahead and fucking contribute ANYTHING to mankind that is even 1% as influential to mankind as Isaac Newton's Theory of Gravity, then you can call people who believe in a religion retards, JUST based on the fact that they believe in a religion, you ignorant, ARROGANT fucking bastard. I hope you jump in front of a train.

    IGNORANCE, is what hinders society more than anything. Especially in today's day and age where all of the information in the fucking world is at your fingertips and a few button presses away on google, you have stupid fucking assholes like you, going around telling people all they know about everything they don't know about. We need more fucking wars to weed out the dumb fucks like you.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:15 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    It was the norm during those times you lying apologist piece of shit.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:32 12/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Gee I see nobody actually cares what the core of my argument was.

    I stated that he was ignorant for making a blanket statement that anyone who's not an athiest is a retard.

    Nobody can come up with a reason why MY statement is a bad one, but my comment is -'d and there's people coming along arguing against me?

    Maybe it's because there isn't a valid argument to counteract how ignorant the original comment was. OH boy look at that.

    I guess the ignorant are just making a hopeless stand together. Likely on the basis they're too fucking stupid to be able to read and interpret what I wrote to begin with.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:03 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I believe in science, but then again, science kind of works. How are prayers working out for you?

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:36 07/12/2011 # ! Drivel (-0.7)

    Agnostics are retarded.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    22:04 07/12/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Not sure if trolling or just stupid...

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:12 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    sometimes i wish to make an account just to downvote this kind of shit, then i breath hard and long and say "meh"
    ignore the permatroll

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:01 08/12/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Horay, hail Satan. Can you feel the strongly implied sarcasm in my comment?

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