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  • =3= bit bogus to add the bra because Clearly there was no bra on and there questionably was no pantsu on either and the steam since there was no friggin thick steam in those areas. I dont care if they are all like naruto and apparently have no nipples i wanna see all no hiding.

    Could be more like Elfen Lied… its a tit … moving on O.o another tit… moving on

    Digital Distribution is something they should get on board with. I’d be willing to pay to watch shows online <- Online as long as it is nice.

  • 40!? Sweet fiery underlord! I’ve seen whole seasons cost less than that! I got my Elfen Lied Collection for 30 bucks! For serious, people! WTF!

    Though, I DO hate to say it but if you know where to look, the whole season is free. Like it or not, it’s the truth. The internet. A double-edged sword indeed.

    • I think you’re looking at this the wrong way. It’s not that they are paying a lot, its that we are paying damn near nothing.

      $60-80USD for two episodes is the standard in Japan because that is what the companies need to charge to produce a profit. The most recent figure I’ve seen to produce an anime is about $150,000USD per episode – that means about $300,000USD goes into producing just the two episodes that are going to be on that DVD (in Japan).

      The production companies get very little out of commercial revenue – most of that goes to the broadcasting network.

      As a result, nearly all of their costs must be covered by DVD and merchandise sales. And while each DVD is selling for $60-80USD, the production company is only getting a part of that. That cost is broken up for the store it is bought from, the cost of shipping the DVD, the cost of making the DVD itself, the cost of producing the DVD content (menus, extras, etc.)

      When we buy anime here in the US, the licensing/distribution company is trying to pay off only a few factors: licensing, translation, dubbing, DVD production, and shipping. All of these together are relatively small relative to the Japanese production company, which also has to pay its animators and script writers. Hence we end up paying much, much less about $2-3 per episode. But this also reflects two tends of anime sales over the last 10 years: 1) the popularity of anime has increased and sales are higher than they were ten years ago, and 2) anime is mostly purchased in season or half-season box sets now, as opposed to 4 episode DVDs 10 years ago. 10 years ago we were paying about $7-8 per episode.

      As far as Japanese production companies think, we aren’t a market into which their costs are being broken up, we are just additional profit. They cover all their costs with sales in Japan, and anything they makes from US licensing and sales is pure profit. Ideally, costs would be broken up proportionally between the Japanese and American markets – we’d end up paying more, and the Japanese would end up paying less.

      • “My Dick”

        is how I choose to respond.

        The friggin studios should choose to (marginally) lower the pay of the bosses to help with the overall profit rather than individual paychecks (of the top earners since the animators get squat for all their work)

      • It is a rip off as a good scifi TV series in the US can easily cost $1 million per episode to make.

        Yet the companies that make them do make good money selling an entire season for $24.

        The initial money often is made back by the TV station buying the rights to show episodes the DVD and blue ray sales is icing on the cake.
        Even when something is released direct to DVD they don’t charge nowhere near that much.

        Maybe animation producers in Japan should negotiate a better deal with the TV stations if they have to charge $40 an episode to make a profit.
        That or it’s a sign the market is over saturated.

        • US TV producers (and Hollywood) earn majority of their income from re-sale and rebroadcasts in other territories. This is something Hollywood grasped in 60-ties and their Japanese fellows are simply too dumb to understand.

          there are over 200 countries in world, each with at least a few TV stations and every time they rebroadcast some old kids cartoon, shitty blockbuster from last decade, or even classic Noire movie 50-ties, Hollywood and TV producers earn money.

          First, TV show is sold to ordering (premiere station). Then, it’s being sold again to premiere stations in other countries. Then it’s sold on dvds/blueray in US. Then, it’s being sold yet again to other TV stations in US to fill their schedule. Then, yet, yet again, it’s sold as non-exclusive to other stations all around the world. Then they sell it as localized dvd. Then they sell it as filler for tier-3 TV stations all around the world. Eventually, in 20 years time, you can *still* see that TV show as rerun at 3AM in Estonia, or Channel576 in UK.

          The whole point is, US TV producers realized that digital content is not like car or a hammer – it doesn’t degrade with use and as such, can be resold pretty much infinite number of times again, and again.

        • Well you know, the U.S. isn’t Japan. Anime and manga is looked down upon in Japan as it is.

          They air this at 2 A.M. in the morning. They’re lucky to get 5000 copies sold per volume. Even if they halved the price, they’ll still only get like 10,000 at most.

          Otaku anime is niche. This isn’t Bleach, Naruto, or One Piece.

        • @Red Comet and ryuzakixd
          TV series in the US get paid to broadcast, as the broadcasters make money from the commercials.

          Late night anime in Japan is treated the same as paid advertising slots are here – they pay to have it air. TV anime is nothing but a half hour advertisement for the DVDs and merchandise.

          TL;DR Aired anime = Half-hour Sham-wow commercial

          That is why series in the US can afford to put down a million per episode. They don’t rely on DVDs to recoup the investment, mainly licensing and broadcasting.

      • $150,000.00 USD an episode is no excuse.

        I.E.
        Charlie Sheen earnt 2+ million dollars EACH episode, yet, the DVDs of Two and a Half Men weren’t expensive.

        You don’t put all the cost in DVD sales, you put in advertising. If the broadcasters are keeping the money to them, the producers should manifest themselves.

        • Are you a fucking idiot? I mean really?

          You’re comparing Charlie Sheen, one of the more well-known Hollywood actors and Two/half men, one of the most watched and successful sitcoms in U.S. history to niche otaku anime?

          Anime like this is already aired past midnight and the only people that watch it are otakus. Wtf are they going to advertise besides more anime? Nevermind the fact that otakus culture (all anime and manga) is shunned in society.

          Two and Half Men get 1.5-2 million viewers PER EPISODE. It’s also on PRIME TIME TV.

          Don’t be an idiot.

      • And 20 years ago we paid about 10 bucks for each episode. In VHS.
        DVD costs are cheaper in all regards.And that doesn’t mean anything per se.

        Even so, when you use aryrthmetics, you find the faults of that logic. Just taking out the earnings from the shops (usually 30% of the final price, less if they are making some kind of offer), you would find that companis would have to sell about 500.000 DVDs of each anime they make just to avoid going bankrupt. The figures just don’t match.
        Of course, companies complain they’re earning too little, but normally that only means that they want, as a natural thing with a capitalist mindsent, more money. It’s not that difficult to understand

        What in fact makes anime in Japan so expensive is firsty, the difference in their salaries. They go from 1.5 to 4 times the common salaries in USA and Europe, so it’s perfectly normal that, even if primary necessities like food aren’t really expensive, “luxury” products are way more expensive than in other countries. After that, obviously, comes the idea of earning money without having to sell your products in foreign markets depending on other companies…

        Probably, making the effort to produce and market an anime series aimed to be sold globally would make way cheaper for all the customers (japanese and “foreign”) and produce larger profits for the companies involved. Like what’s done with electronic products like iPhone (usually sold by local telephone companies). That’s waht they really mean when economists say that japanese manga and anime industry needs “foreigners” to grow.
        But it’s way too difficult to actually implement for anyone to take up the risk of doing it. Just the actual way is ok with them.

        • I think your “aryrthmetics” are a little off. How would it require selling 500,000 copies to recoup production costs of a pair of anime episodes costing $300,000 to produce? That would mean they were making less than a dollar per DVD. If you figure $300,000 to produce two episodes, at $80 per DVD that would only require a little over 5,000 copies sold to break even at your suggested 30% markup. Of course, that doesn’t include merchandise royalties, advertisement revenues, overseas sales etc.

          I think the previous poster is a little off on the cost to produce each episode too. Prime time anime series can cost in the range of $100,000 to $150,000 per episode, but late night anime tends to cost less, so we might only be looking at a few thousand copies sold to break even from DVD sales alone.

          I agree that they could charge less per episode. Only hardcore otaku will be willing to spend hundreds of dollars per season to rewatch an anime they already saw on television. More “normal” people will just pass entirely. It seems like they could greatly expand their potential customer base by bringing the cost of DVDs down into the range of $10 or less per episode. The otaku would probably still spend their entire savings on anime and merchandise, but now they could be getting additional profits from people just wanting to watch an anime series they liked, or are interested in.

        • “Too difficult” really cracked me up. To follow on your example, I can already see Jobs&Apple saying “naah, selling iPhone is too difficult, lets give it up and do… whatever”.

          what you describe is a common problem with publishing industry – since it’s ultimate monopoly* sheathed form any semblance of real competition for literally hundreds of years (since Gutenberg designed his printing press, really), doing pretty much anything “too much risk” (there is no risk involved at all) and especially, “too much work” or just impossible.

          Few random highschoolers from a Fansub group can figure how to do mass-, worldwide distribution&release and execute it in their after-school time, with minimal costs, yet for paid, 40h/week ‘professionals’ in publishing industry, it’s “too much risk”, or “too impossible”?

      • Maybe publishers should finally wake up from retarded slumber that they are in since the middle of the last century, when internet didn’t exist.

        You know, like give customers what they want (and in the form they want – physical media is outdated nonsense – even more so for anime fans outside Japan), for less. Then surprisingly they might acutally earn more, as people tend to pay reasonable money for what they actually like, and if they are treated seriously.

        • exactly!

          going by what the previous posters said regarding profit distribution, it seems like the system is fucked up.

          if the anime industry is to survive they seriously need to change the way they do business (and not to mention drastically improve the quality of their product).

    • It’s from DVD release.

      They’re probably not censoring the Blu-Ray version in hopes that people would buy the overpriced ones.

      If they do censor the Blu_Rays too though, I’ll still be laughing.

      • Blu Ray Release is exactly the same, I have it. However, this is NOT censored, if anyone who actually saw the episode actually listened to the dialogue (strange concept, I know) she was wearing underwear in that scene, including the original light novel.

        It was the censorship TBS forced on them in the broadcast that said “not an ounce of underwear shall be seen because underwear corrupts our youth!” that got people’s hopes up. Rather than blaming the makers of the anime, blame TBS for putting up these anime that are clearly for fanservice, then not allowing fanservice. Same deal with Haganai this season.

        • I must say the broadcast version was superior here. While it could be argued either way about the lower underwear, as it was out of view, they clearly added a bra strap in there, removing the scene’s implied toplessness. The new arm positioning also covers the navel, and brings into question why there’s an arm there at all, seeing as there’s nothing that needs covering. The original definitely left more to the imagination.

          They didn’t need to uncensor the scene outright, but it would have arguably been better had they kept the upper half as it was.

        • The second one is from a different anime that I’ve never seen. I don’t know what it’s from. I’m not saying there’s never censorship, far from it, and in fact there was a bit of it in the first BD release (they had Subaru, who was probably supposed to be naked, wearing shimapan and with no nipples during a particular scene in episode 1). It was an improvement over the original, but still not what it was supposed to be.

          I hope the next volume does better. I have high hopes for Usami’s pantyshot at least, but a whole blu ray release for a re-do of one shot isn’t worth it.

      • its still a pretty shit thing to do. i mean i’d buy the bd anyway if they were both uncensored but of course that’s not till it gets licensed in the states so i can get it for a reasonable price. until that happens i’ll just have to do what i’ve always done….

        • @15:39
          Unless the scene was drawn using separate layers for various elements, which is often the case. In this case, the arm clearly moved, and a bra strap mysteriously appeared, so at least both of those elements were separate from the background image. The same goes for things like steam, which are not part of the original drawings. Plus, anime often reuse a particular still image for many consecutive frames, so “redrawing the scene” might involve little more than editing a small portion of one frame of animation.

        • You’re not going to get an “uncensored” episode in ANY anime, if it was hand-drawn and animated to be censored, in the first place.

          Are you just stupid, or believe the “hype” of a possible rumor that the episode “might be uncensored”, once it is released on DVD or Blu-Ray?

          In other words, the production company in charge of making an anime is sometimes (most likely, always) forced to censor any scene in any episode of any anime on PURPOSE, by DRAWING any scene censored. You can’t un-censor a scene that has already been drawn to be censored in the first place.

          Unless they go back and redraw the scene, then splice it in when they make the DVD.

    • Am I the only one who really doesn’t give a fuck that there are censors in place? Atleast now it stays an anime instead of crossing into hentai/porn territory. Or am I the only one who cares about the anime part and not any possible fake nudity.

      • it’s not that fanservice is required, it’s that if they’re gonna insinuate that there’s fanservice and then not deliver then they’re pretty much just trolling the viewer. they should’ve just made a “clean” show to begin with!

      • I just hate censorship. Its like slapping the viewer in the face and saying “you can’t handle this!” If you want to show a nude girl then show a nude girl. If you don’t want nudity then don’t put it in. Don’t show it and then cover the screen in blurs, white mist or bright lights. Its so intrusive and pointless.

      • @ Njrg 01:29:

        You might be.

        I dislike the artificial CEN$OR$4DOLLAR$ aspect of all anime, not just this one.

        I also dislike the stupid sexual innuendo and boob-tropes:

        -Simulated bukakke by mayonnaise on a woman’s face

        -Woman falls flat on her back with no broken skull, broken back, or other significant physical damage, guy lands on top of her with his hands on her boobs.

        -The kettle-drum “boom-boom” sound effects to draw attention to the size of a woman’s breasts.

        But yeah, I like looking at naked women (2D and 3D), so no censoring, please.

        I need goot plot and characters in my anime. Some are so stupid I refuse to watch them, despite the T-and-A.

        • “-Woman falls flat on her back with no broken skull, broken back, or other significant physical damage, guy lands on top of her with his hands on her boobs.”

          I don’t know about you, but a typical healthy person doesn’t usually receive critical injuries from falling on their back from a standing height. It might hurt, but it probably isn’t going to break their bones unless they have a calcium deficiency or something. 😛

  • They already showed in the previous episodes that they weren’t showing nipples. I don’t see the surprise in this move. Only anime I can think of that held off on nipples to much later episodes is B Gata H Kei which actually made sense in the story.