Manga Plagiarism “More Blatant Than Ever”
- Categories: Manga, News
- Date: Oct 7, 2011 09:24 JST
- Tags: Comparison, Copyright, Crime, Image Gallery, Parody, Plagiarism, Shonen
2ch’s plagiarism police have been sharing some of their favourite examples of how not to go about blatant manga plagiarism, although at times it seems their zealous pursuit of these goals has got the better of them.
It should of course be noted that spoilers may be present in the various images used:
As usual, the lines between parody, homage, inspiration, copying and outright coincidence are ones many find difficult to discern – although many are so blatant it is only hard to see how they could possibly evade detection.
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First thing i noticed was a few of these manga were from the same studio.
SO they shuffle their workers around to work on other projects and use templates...
Show me something original.
I noticed some were kind of pushing it. I wouldn't say One Piece and Naruto looked the same or HxH and Bleach. But I guess you get some good ones and some bad ones.
Kind of pushing it? Like the snailheads?
JoJo ones for sure were on purpose, Araki always had countless references to music bands and fashion brand posters he liked, especially in naming (and designing) Stands which were the center of his story.
Well, that's why we will never have a proper JoJo anime, I think. It's a copyright infringement hell :D
Actually, the vast majority of the ones I saw before I started skimming fit under reference or parody. The Death Note one is a bit close, but the creature coming out of the mouth was obviously some type of parody of that drawing. A lot of these aren't even plagiarism, just that there are so many dynamic poses for charging and punching you can have and they will all eventually look similar, like Nappa foeshortening and the guy who is in a similar pose, but the angle is different.
Whatever, these people are trying to hard and let their successes in the past get to their head and they're finding shit that isn't really there. Artists use reference. Congratufuckinglations. Welcome to the last few thousand years of art. If they call that a bad excuse, tell them to try and match some of the deadlines at great quality and see how they do.
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Agree! He wouldnt be able to make a comic that last over 100+ volume if he doesnt study different form of fashion and art other than looking into other comic.
Its hard to distinct referencing and plagiarism when you work in art ground, but some thing like first 11 samples are outrageous.
Huh I was going to say that.
There's a difference between references and plagiarism.
It's like the slo-mo thing they do in movies are you going to call every single movie with a slo-mo in it a Matrix ripoff? Unless it's copying it exactly and it's not a parody of it I wouldn't.
Groove Adventure Rave and One Piece definitely.
They has mad tracing skillz.
i agree. and some where they use pictures as reference are far from anything worth pointing out as bad. using photos as reference is a natural procedure.
on the other hand what is shameful, is that they trace the photos or other artists work with photoshop, or other means like projectors. in my opinion this type of cheating should be considered against an artist, and if he continues with it should be sacked.
I'm guessing it's that very reason that staff is likely shared/shifted between some of these manga that you get these neigh identical scenes between them. If you were paid as little as they are, and under that level of pressure, wouldn't you stick with the poses/framing/scenes that you knew best?
On same token, I'd imagine a lot of those sports snapshots get passed around from one person to the next for reference, and end up in a dozen manga or more, using that same pose. It's hard to get some of those poses in your mind when drawing without such references.
That's correct in several cases.
D.Gray-man was accused of plagiarism in several cases and 2ch tried to spread the rumor that their "discovery" of 25th picture got Hoshino sued by the artist of Death Note, leading to her shifting magazines. Obata later came out, called them all douchebags and confirmed that Hoshino worked on Death Note as an assistant; she was the one who drew that panel in the first place.
Pictures 3-13, 34 and 38 are all from two very famous plagiarism cases. In both of them, the "mangaka" ended up being blacklisted by multiple publishers for art theft. Sankaku is trying too hard to make them a sensation here, though. Both are 3+ years old.
And Slam Dunk's author admitted several times that he copied the poses from famous photographs as fanservice for basketball junkies who read his manga.
I wish people would stop comparing Hiro Mashima with Eiichiro Oda, though. The two's art is only vaguely similar in terms of faces. Mashima's understanding of human anatomy is considerably better and his sense of motion is good enough to not rely on grotesque caricature.
Wow this is actually a lot of relevant info! Thanks for the interesting read, anon!
And some scenes will inevitably end up looking the same anyway.
Take that jumpshot picture, with the other player trying to block.
Unless you shift the viewer's perspective, it'll always look the same, but that's a given really considering the nature of the play and how to defend against it.
Watch a basketball match in its entirety and especially if certain players have their own specific guard. Nearly all those matchups end up looking the same way. Sometimes the defender wins, sometimes the offense wins. Sometimes there's a foul either way. But the general look nearly always remains the same, dependent only upon the camera view.
want something original?
try googling naburo, a perfect 100% plagiarism
try not to vomit
Good Lord, I finally found something equivalent to Chris and his Sonichu.
couldnt it be considered like a doujin or something?
Gimme a break!
There is a limit to these poses.
Like the last picture for instance, the pose depicts lust on a bed, and now think other ways of how they can convey this lust on a bed.
Sure there are lots of them, but equally there are lots of picture doing the same thing.
How could you call these plagiarism?
Some are plagiarised though.
There are ironic examples, right?
So much COPY & PASTE !
you mean, Copy = Edit = Paste?
Funny I never see this comic being caught by 2ch's plagiarism cops
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I don't mind if they draw from real life still pictures. A lot of artist use this to capture certain poses if they can't quite visualize what they want.
Stuff like the Junji Ito rip off however...
God, of all the things in the world to copy, why would you choose Uzumaki? Or any Junji Ito work.
Oh lord some things are better left untouched
Some people have too much free time.
it's 2ch, what did you expect?
these guys have even less of a life than anyone here
The hate is strong in you.
And yet it's the truth.
Sometimes you don't really need things such as "too much free time" to find something like these. Just open a thread in 2ch, gather at least a dozen of people into the topic and each comes with at least one or two snapshots or panel strip of a plagiarized manga. Voila, you'll have a compilation of manga plagiarism.
But yea, I need to agree that those panels and artworks that just happened to have people with an identical pose being here do indicate a huge presence of free time.
loved the emma/d gray man example :D
A bit of a stretch really.
I loved Emma, couldn't "let myself get hooked" much for D-Gray-Man...
Any idea if its the same artist/studio/whatever?
If you gotta "simmonsed" a slife-of-life show for your shonen jump-type show for your dramatic scenes... well... I'll let the imagination finish that sentence O_o.
Some of these are obvious copies, but some (especially the ones drawn from photos) are just examples of the same pose. Using references is not plagiarism.
Yeah pose references is all right. The incorrigible ones are the ones who lift ideas and do tracing.
I'd say post references isn't just allright, it's necessary. We won't get mangaka drawing reasonable and dynamic poses unless they peruse photographic reference material. Some things you just have to see before you can draw 'm.
Absolutely!
There are pose books made specifically for artists to use as references. I've been advised by more than one art teacher to keep a reference file of magazine clippings, etc of images to use as reference material.
There's a whole world of difference between reference (something you look at to get pose/proportions right) and tracing.
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gotta agree these people have too much time to be searching for these..
There's only so many poses people can draw, just because it's the same, doesn't make it plagiarism. I'll admit, some of the images were definitely near copy/paste, but some were just way off target just because something is similar.
Artist use references all the time, and obviously mangakas are artist, they get inspired by other mangas and at some point, you'll notice some similarities. Inspiration and plagiarism are two different coins.
People on that site have way too much free time to be digging though hundreds of thousands of pages of manga in hopes of finding the slightest thing similar. Just enjoy the manga for what it's worth if the artist put their time into making it.
Sankaku, I love how you browse Japanese forums and find delightful subjects to post about. However, it's best for everyone if you post images that are actually relevant to the post instead of just every image found in the thread. Examples: pictures 30-33. In addition, remember which pictures you've already grabbed and don't post them again. Really, this is basic article editing.
tl;dr - Proofread your articles more, and look for repetition and relevance instead of posting everything you find.
Mangaka who plagiarize deserve the $3 an hour they get paid.
Some of this is just using reference a little to closely. As a professional artist you have to use ref, it's just part of the biz. I agree that it should probably be mixed up a bit more, but c'mon give them some slack. The other stuff though... just laziness.
Who's the hottie in 027.jpg???!!!
I may be wrong, but I think it's River Phoenix, and actor/model that died in 1993.
Bit of trivia, Squall (Final Fantasy VIII) was modeled after River Phoenix.
Considering the relatively poor salary earned by the average manga 'artist' and his helpers, plus the deadline pressure, it's a surprise more copying isn't being done.
With the second season of the incredibly boring Bakuman anime looming this quarter, I look forward to the plagiarism how-to episode.
Some of these are blatant but some are just fully stretching it.
The One Piece, Naruto, Bleach and ... was it Dragonball? comparison is so stupid. How else are you going to illustrate a bunch of old fogeys gathered around a table having a meeting?