Manga Plagiarism “More Blatant Than Ever”

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2ch’s plagiarism police have been sharing some of their favourite examples of how not to go about blatant manga plagiarism, although at times it seems their zealous pursuit of these goals has got the better of them.

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As usual, the lines between parody, homage, inspiration, copying and outright coincidence are ones many find difficult to discern – although many are so blatant it is only hard to see how they could possibly evade detection.


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    Comment by Anonymous
    10:51 07/10/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Some of these are blatant but some are just fully stretching it.

    The One Piece, Naruto, Bleach and ... was it Dragonball? comparison is so stupid. How else are you going to illustrate a bunch of old fogeys gathered around a table having a meeting?

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:00 07/10/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Super Doctor Kenshiro?

    I'm sorry ma'am but your son...was already dead ATATATATATATATA-TA!

    Avatar of Shizu's Waki Obsessor: MaidNiac
    14:56 07/10/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    Come to think of it, if Kenshiro isn't living in a post apocalyptic world, he probably would open a clinic and make himself a professional acupuncturist.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:31 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    ATATATATATTATATATATA~!

    HOKUTO HYAKURETSU KEN

    "I have pressed your hidden pressure points. On the count to 10, the HIV viruses in your body will implode and be discarded along with your urine, and you'll live a happy live"

    *HI-DE-BU!!*

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    Comment by Darkrockslizer
    15:43 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Don't worry sir but your back pain... IS ALREADY GONE!!!
    AAATATATATATATATATA!!!!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:32 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    YES!!! I truly laughed out loud for a full minute at this comment, thank you.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:59 07/10/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Some of these are obvious copies, but some (especially the ones drawn from photos) are just examples of the same pose. Using references is not plagiarism.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:54 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Yeah pose references is all right. The incorrigible ones are the ones who lift ideas and do tracing.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:23 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    I'd say post references isn't just allright, it's necessary. We won't get mangaka drawing reasonable and dynamic poses unless they peruse photographic reference material. Some things you just have to see before you can draw 'm.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:39 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Absolutely!

    There are pose books made specifically for artists to use as references. I've been advised by more than one art teacher to keep a reference file of magazine clippings, etc of images to use as reference material.

    There's a whole world of difference between reference (something you look at to get pose/proportions right) and tracing.

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    Comment by Matthew
    09:38 07/10/2011 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    First thing i noticed was a few of these manga were from the same studio.

    SO they shuffle their workers around to work on other projects and use templates...

    Show me something original.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:13 07/10/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    I noticed some were kind of pushing it. I wouldn't say One Piece and Naruto looked the same or HxH and Bleach. But I guess you get some good ones and some bad ones.

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    Comment by Firaku
    22:42 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    They has mad tracing skillz.

    Comment by คภєк๏
    11:05 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Kind of pushing it? Like the snailheads?

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    Comment by Darkrockslizer
    15:39 07/10/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    JoJo ones for sure were on purpose, Araki always had countless references to music bands and fashion brand posters he liked, especially in naming (and designing) Stands which were the center of his story.

    Well, that's why we will never have a proper JoJo anime, I think. It's a copyright infringement hell :D

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:27 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    ^
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    Agree! He wouldnt be able to make a comic that last over 100+ volume if he doesnt study different form of fashion and art other than looking into other comic.

    Its hard to distinct referencing and plagiarism when you work in art ground, but some thing like first 11 samples are outrageous.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:27 08/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Huh I was going to say that.

    There's a difference between references and plagiarism.

    It's like the slo-mo thing they do in movies are you going to call every single movie with a slo-mo in it a Matrix ripoff? Unless it's copying it exactly and it's not a parody of it I wouldn't.

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    Comment by HouseLife
    18:53 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    Actually, the vast majority of the ones I saw before I started skimming fit under reference or parody. The Death Note one is a bit close, but the creature coming out of the mouth was obviously some type of parody of that drawing. A lot of these aren't even plagiarism, just that there are so many dynamic poses for charging and punching you can have and they will all eventually look similar, like Nappa foeshortening and the guy who is in a similar pose, but the angle is different.

    Whatever, these people are trying to hard and let their successes in the past get to their head and they're finding shit that isn't really there. Artists use reference. Congratufuckinglations. Welcome to the last few thousand years of art. If they call that a bad excuse, tell them to try and match some of the deadlines at great quality and see how they do.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Groove Adventure Rave and One Piece definitely.

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    Comment by Koyoto_Shadow
    10:19 07/10/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    I'm guessing it's that very reason that staff is likely shared/shifted between some of these manga that you get these neigh identical scenes between them. If you were paid as little as they are, and under that level of pressure, wouldn't you stick with the poses/framing/scenes that you knew best?

    On same token, I'd imagine a lot of those sports snapshots get passed around from one person to the next for reference, and end up in a dozen manga or more, using that same pose. It's hard to get some of those poses in your mind when drawing without such references.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:39 07/10/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    That's correct in several cases.

    D.Gray-man was accused of plagiarism in several cases and 2ch tried to spread the rumor that their "discovery" of 25th picture got Hoshino sued by the artist of Death Note, leading to her shifting magazines. Obata later came out, called them all douchebags and confirmed that Hoshino worked on Death Note as an assistant; she was the one who drew that panel in the first place.

    Pictures 3-13, 34 and 38 are all from two very famous plagiarism cases. In both of them, the "mangaka" ended up being blacklisted by multiple publishers for art theft. Sankaku is trying too hard to make them a sensation here, though. Both are 3+ years old.

    And Slam Dunk's author admitted several times that he copied the poses from famous photographs as fanservice for basketball junkies who read his manga.

    I wish people would stop comparing Hiro Mashima with Eiichiro Oda, though. The two's art is only vaguely similar in terms of faces. Mashima's understanding of human anatomy is considerably better and his sense of motion is good enough to not rely on grotesque caricature.

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    Comment by Darkrockslizer
    01:12 08/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wow this is actually a lot of relevant info! Thanks for the interesting read, anon!

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:08 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    And some scenes will inevitably end up looking the same anyway.

    Take that jumpshot picture, with the other player trying to block.

    Unless you shift the viewer's perspective, it'll always look the same, but that's a given really considering the nature of the play and how to defend against it.

    Watch a basketball match in its entirety and especially if certain players have their own specific guard. Nearly all those matchups end up looking the same way. Sometimes the defender wins, sometimes the offense wins. Sometimes there's a foul either way. But the general look nearly always remains the same, dependent only upon the camera view.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:49 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    want something original?

    try googling naburo, a perfect 100% plagiarism
    try not to vomit

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:02 09/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    couldnt it be considered like a doujin or something?

    Avatar of Shizu's Waki Obsessor: MaidNiac
    15:20 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Good Lord, I finally found something equivalent to Chris and his Sonichu.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:41 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Gimme a break!
    There is a limit to these poses.

    Like the last picture for instance, the pose depicts lust on a bed, and now think other ways of how they can convey this lust on a bed.
    Sure there are lots of them, but equally there are lots of picture doing the same thing.

    How could you call these plagiarism?

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:43 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Some are plagiarised though.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:14 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    i agree. and some where they use pictures as reference are far from anything worth pointing out as bad. using photos as reference is a natural procedure.

    on the other hand what is shameful, is that they trace the photos or other artists work with photoshop, or other means like projectors. in my opinion this type of cheating should be considered against an artist, and if he continues with it should be sacked.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:06 07/10/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    WTF? Most of this isn't plagiarism, most of it is just same kind of poses/movement/expressions.

    Are the japs at 2ch seriously this stupid? Bleach now have the patent of bad guys sitting at a table looking badass, NO ONE ELSE IS ALLOWED TO HAVE BAD GUYS SITTING AT A TABLE FROM NOW ON!!!

    Also ban all sports manga!! Just look, for example, theres this guy here from Slam Dunk, and HE TOTALLY LOOKS LIKE A BASKETBALL PLAYER!!! WTF IS UP WITH THAT?

    Also, I found two different mangas with two different guys eating in almost the same manner! COPYCAT!

    And there's like, two different mangas with maids in them.... AND GUESS WHAT?!! THE MAIDS LOOK ALMOST THE SAME! THEY KINDA HAVE THE SAME KIND OF MAID COSTUME?!
    ....

    what the fuck are they smoking?

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:32 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    EATING IN THE SAME MANNER? HOLY FUCKING SHIT!

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:03 07/10/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Oh China Quali- oh wait.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:27 07/10/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Oh whoa. A group of bad guys are having a meeting. They are using a table AND chairs!? Call the fukin cops on that one.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:56 07/10/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Some people have too much free time.

    Avatar of Shizu's Waki Obsessor: MaidNiac
    15:11 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sometimes you don't really need things such as "too much free time" to find something like these. Just open a thread in 2ch, gather at least a dozen of people into the topic and each comes with at least one or two snapshots or panel strip of a plagiarized manga. Voila, you'll have a compilation of manga plagiarism.

    But yea, I need to agree that those panels and artworks that just happened to have people with an identical pose being here do indicate a huge presence of free time.

    Comment by Anonymous

    it's 2ch, what did you expect?
    these guys have even less of a life than anyone here

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:12 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    The hate is strong in you.

    Comment by Anonymous

    And yet it's the truth.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:02 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    This is my pose. I'm doing it first. You're not allowed to use it. :3

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:53 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    soo referencing from a magazine is bad now?

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:25 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    This is not plagiarism although poses are copied almost 80% of the stuff is not the same. Similar poses can be found almost anywhere else. Lame

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:07 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    '_' I Like the art of the person who copied Clamp's poses better than clamp's art.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:23 08/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    They fail at anatomy thought, special at the heads...

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:06 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    It's extremely difficult for an artist to just know how to draw a figure without a reference. (for some poses) I don't think using real life photos are plagiarizing ( It's a cheap way out though ) unless they trace, because that takes zero skill.
    Ugh, just look at all the people who say "Oh, I used *blank* as a reference." when all they did was trace it. Using a reference does not constitute tracing ffs.

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    Comment by kazaza2
    00:56 08/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Plagiarism or inherent laziness in the Japanese entertainment industry?

    Hollywoods been doing it for decades by recycling old plot lines and movies and pawning them off as new.
    Even old 60s cartoon series aren't immune to the treatment.

    Publishers are probably the ones most guilty of this.
    Take an old 60's/70s manga, revamp the art for a modern audience and you get more profit from a product you already own the rights to.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:18 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    "although many are so blatant it is only hard to see how they could possibly evade detection."

    They may seem blatant if someone puts them side by side like this. But if you read a damn manga, who would think that a character looks like someone from a fashion show?
    You'll have to know both and you have to have a freakin good memory to recall the original version when you see the copy.
    I for my part don't really remember how exactly a fighting scene looked in all the mangas I've read.
    It's actually really crazy how they found out about most of them.

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    Comment by Goldsickle
    16:13 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    PARODY/HOMAGE:
    -Makes the reference obvious.
    -Wants the reader to know the connection so readers will get the joke.

    PLAGIARISM:
    -Hopes no one will notice.
    -Initially denies the connection outright but when sources are found out and made public, changes story to claiming it's a homage/parody.

    There, it's very easy to differentiate between parody and plagiarism.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:51 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Why is using an image as reference material considered plagiarism?

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:53 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Inoue used photos of actual basketball players for reference in Slam Dunk? I couldn't tell at all! /sarcasm

    Reference =/= plagiarism.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:50 07/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    wow, is #42 akira, kind of looks like it

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:53 08/10/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    3D Plagiarism???






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