Schoolgirl Killed in Cult Exorcism

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A 13-year-old schoolgirl has been killed in an exorcism by her cultist father and a Buddhist monk, drowning after having been forced to undergo the ritual of the “waterfall austerity” over a hundred times.

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The incident transpired in a Kumamoto prefecture town, where a 50-year-old man and a 56-year-old monk resolved to drive out the evil spirits which they believed possessed the man’s 13-year-old daughter.

Her father had apparently quit his job 4 years ago after finding religion, and became a full-time cultist from this time on. His daughter was described as quiet and normal by her classmates, but had ceased coming to school some months previously.

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She was strapped into a chair with belts around her arms and legs around 3AM on the night of the 27th, and then had her face forcibly doused with a stream of water continuously falling from an outlet 2.5m above her for 5 minutes at a rate of 40 litres a minute.

She suffocated to death during the ordeal, which she had apparently been forced to endure 100 times over the last 3 months.

Locals had apparently heard her screaming on many occasions, and the cult had been the subject of many complaints due to its endless banging of drums, chantings of sutras, and comings and goings late at night.

The murder came to light when the girl’s father called her school to inform them that his daughter “died in the pursuit of the waterf austerities.”

Police arrested both men on manslaughter charges soon after.

Her father maintains his innocence, saying it was necessary to drive the evil forces from her, but regrets that it ended in her death.

She had been absent from school for 7 months, but despite 6 visits to her home her teacher was repeatedly told she was not home by her father, an explanation the school apparently accepted without further question.

Local educational authorities are not keen to accept any responsibility for not noticing one of their pupils was being victimised by a cult:

“If a pupil is ill all we can do is ask their parents. Her father was not behaving suspiciously, so we do not think we can be faulted.

We do wonder whether we might have been able to do something to prevent this, though.

[…]

We trusted the parents, and this is the result. We wish to ensure this kind of incident is never repeated.”

The cult to which the men belonged, known as Nakayama Shingo Shusho, was originally founded by Yasaka Kakue, a Shingon sect monk who lived from 1870-1942 and who formed three such sects over the course of his life, each of which is now apparently ruled by one of his descendants.

Shingon Buddhism itself is noted for being esoteric and highly secretive (such sects are hardly known in the west), and the Nakayama group is barely known even in Japan – although like a number of similar groups, they have constructed a huge temple complex deep in the mountains:

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The Japanese government says the group was formally recognised as a religious organisation in 1952, and currently has about 350 temples and churches, and as of 2008 “305,555” believers.

The organisation has yet to make any formal comment on the incident, although believers have been quick to denounce the killing as a distortion of their teachings, claiming the practice is supposed to be a voluntary one for cleansing the soul – and that they have no idea where anyone could get it into their heads that it could be used in exorcising evil spirits.

Although most Japanese are essentially irreligious, much of what is lumped together as “Shinto” and “Buddhism” in Japan actually consists of diverse and not infrequently highly cultish and bizarre “new religions,” Buddhist sects and Shinto (animistic) traditions.

These are not generally subject to a great deal of outside scrutiny – save when it transpires they have been sexually enslaving members or plotting to gas the Tokyo subway.

Online there is little appreciation of the mortal necessity of driving evil spirits from schoolgirls:

“300,000 crazies…”

“As a father, I can’t forgive the father who could do this.”

“The evil spirit which was assailing her was her father.”

“The number of people religion kills vastly exceeds those it saves.”

“The girl they drowned to death was the righteous one – she never gave in to her father and the monk.”

“Those filthy monks claimed another victim!? And a young girl as well! Nobunaga had the right idea – secularise the nation, tax the monasteries and force the monks back into secular life!”

“The possessed ones were clearly the monk and her father.”

“Tax the religious entities already!”

“Since when can you force someone to undergo an ‘austerity’ anyway? The whole point is you do voluntarily?”

“Religious people are all nuts, as you might expect.”

“The dregs being tricked into this rubbish by swindling cults, as ever. They really ought to tax these organisations.”

“As if they have 300,000 believers. That’s probably just what they claim.”

“Another mini-Aum Shinrikyo. These new religions ought to be destroyed.”

“What kind of idiot is frightened of evil spirits when there are men who will do this kind of thing around.”

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    • Eh, I know plenty of people who have religion and it has either really helped them find peace, or they have it but you don’t really notice as it is only a small part of who they are as a person.

      I make it a point to never hate on someone’s beliefs, as I wouldn’t want anyone hating on me for my beliefs (or lack thereof.)

      I judge people as individuals. It seems pointless to point the finger at religion. It’s more effective to just separate the good from the crazies. You mean a lot more interesting people with an open mind.

      • still, 90% of all wars in the history of man are religion based…. it never brings anything good. On a personal level, it might have helped a fool or two, but on a massive scale, religion is nothing but a control device to control the masses.

        • technically. bad guys who start wars often use religion to rally support. That doesn’t mean the conflict was caused by religion. For example, the Sino-Japanese war, the Iraq war, the troubles of northern Ireland (if you could call it a war, I would call it a conflict).

          Most of the 90% of religion-involved wars were not induced by religion. There have been some, such as the Islamic conquests or possibly the crusades (At least, it couldn’t have happened without Christianity) but there have also been wars that have been prevented by religion.

          As long as there are Buddhists (most sects wouldn’t dream of anything like this), Jains, Taoists and Caodaiists, I wont be blaming violence on religion.

        • You’re ignoring that not all religions are the same and not all are intended to control.

          The illogical thing here is that people are blaming dozens upon dozens of abstract concepts rather than looking at the big picture.

          Resources, race, culture, property, and more. All these things cause war. Even without religion, these things would still happen.

          And to say that 90% of all wars in history are cause by religion means that you haven’t done your homework. While some had heavily religions tones, religion is actually the scapegoat for several other reasons people went to war.

          For example, there are several holy wars that were actually done for political reasons.

          Also, to say it is a control device undermines human intelligence, as it should be painfully obvious that not all those with religion will turn into extremists any more than all students will pull a Columbine because those boys happened to be high school students. In many wars, the majority of one side happened to be a certain religion due to region, and it was taken as a holy war.

          Lastly, it isn’t far to call people fools for believing in something you don’t. It makes you just as bad as those people who try to convert others.

      • Religion requires the follower to forgo any kind of critical appraisal of the religious dogma and blindly follow it. This is valid for every religion that comes to mind. If I need to point out just how dangerous this particular mindset is, then you clearly don’t understand just how gullible you, and me, and every other member of our species is.

        [quote]I make it a point to never hate on someone’s beliefs, as I wouldn’t want anyone hating on me for my beliefs (or lack thereof.) [/quote]
        Then you shouldn’t hate the men in this article. All they did was believe, right?

        And you shouldn’t hate my belief in the Chaos gods either. After all, I only do sacrifices to Krone on Saturdays and Sundays.
        By the way, are you free next Saturday?

    • thats why i don’t subscribe to any particular religion.. don’t get me wrong, I belive in god.. I just don’t care for some high and mighty human saying he/she speaks for god…. then asks me to kill in his name… er.. Go Fuck yourself!!

    • Having a religion and believing in God are not the same thing. You can easily believe in God without joining a religion.

      I’d even wager to say this is much more logical, as much more thought is put into that belief when someone isn’t there to interfere with what your life experience tells you.

      I have absolutely no problem with people believe in God. I do have a problem with they don’t read, acknowledge, or know their own holy texts so that they can understand or explain any possible contradictions.

      • No it’s not. Hypothetically, it’s more likely that a god does not exist. That is because god must either originate from an intelligent species that appeared through evolution, or it must have always existed, which contradicts everything, and I do mean everything we know.
        The ability of informational systems (ie life) to process and retain information itself is entropic in nature, and to our knowledge, impossible otherwise. More importantly however, the non-entropic universe theory means it’s completely deterministic and everything you do has been “charted in the stars” so to speak.

        Yes, we have incomplete understanding of our universe, let alone cosmology, but the fact is, that nothing we know about the universe supports the god theory in slightest. On the other hand, it’s mundane to explain god as a function to the flaws of our species. We are very good at imagining things that aren’t really there.

    • sadly it is not religion’s fault. We as humans are just monsters and demons. We take things way to far and way beyond where they where meant to go. In the end it becomes a guns dont kill people, people kill people situation.

      All I’m saying is even without religion this man made have still done this and its sad very very sad.

      When it all becomes quiet only the paranoia of the mind will be left and it will be as a sword though the body, slow and agonizing

      • This is true. I completely agree.

        Everyone has their own beliefs. When we start blaming religion and its concepts for people not being assholes, those people get away with a lot more because they know now that they can hide behind religion as the scapegoat.

        The reality is, if this father didn’t have religion, he would have done some other sadistic shit to his daughter. Point blank.

        If there is one thing I have learned from the variety of people I’ve met, it’s that religion doesn’t make non-violent people into violent people, and a violent person who accepts a religion won’t suddenly become non-violent.

        Religion gets the bad rap because it’s easy. Look at how much attention it got on this article. But it’s more effective and logical to judge the man himself. Blaming something abstract is meaningless in the way of justice.

        • [quote]Everyone has their own beliefs.[/quote]
          Well, I don’t. And I’m not the only one.

          [quote]When we start blaming religion and its concepts for people not being assholes[/quote]
          An asshole is someone who steals your car stereo.
          Someone mentally ill enough to torture and kill their own kid is on a whole other level.

          [quote]those people get away with a lot more because they know now that they can hide behind religion as the scapegoat.[/quote]
          The problem is that they form entire communities of their own, where it’s very difficult to notice something is amiss until it’s too late.

          [quote]The reality is, if this father didn’t have religion, he would have done some other sadistic shit to his daughter. Point blank.[/quote]
          That’s just empty speculation.

          [quote]If there is one thing I have learned from the variety of people I’ve met, it’s that religion doesn’t make non-violent people into violent people, and a violent person who accepts a religion won’t suddenly become non-violent.[/quote]
          There goes the idea that religion magically cures every bad thing in the world. And I was just about to convert too!

          [quote]Religion gets the bad rap because it’s easy.[/quote]
          It gets bad rap because people do terrible things in the name or under the guise of religion, and the way we treat religion lets them get away with it. See Scientology.

          [quote]But it’s more effective and logical to judge the man himself.[/quote]
          It’s more effective and logical to send the person to a psychiatrist before anything terrible happens. I know that if I suddenly started talking about “evil spirits”, I’d be in a mental health institution by the time it takes me to memorize one bible passage backwards. But how about when your community openly encourages talking about “evil spirits”?

          [quote]Blaming something abstract is meaningless in the way of justice.[/quote]
          Indoctrination and brain washing is hardly “something abstract”.

      • yea, without religion, man would still be an evil pile of shit…

        im not joking, its what i hear all the time, and i do believe it to be true.

        HOWEVER, and this is a big fucking HOWEVER

        without religion manipulating the stupid for a “divine power” than we wouldn’t have people killing in the name of an imaginary friend. yea we would still fucking kill, dont get me wrong, but the stupid people wouldnt rally under a invisible boogey man.

      • True i have read a legal case where non religious people try to exorcize demons out by forcing a kid to drink water. The concept is that by vomiting the water, demons will be expelled along with the water.

        The kid eventually died by drowning sadly.

        • @HouseLife

          the “which-hunt” itself wasn’t primarily targeted towards whiches, which unlike the common interpretation is a sexually neutral word referring to both man and woman.
          It was targeted at heretics, which becomes clear once you read the trail examples featured in Malleus Maleficarum.

        • @Darkrockslizer

          The witchcraft trials were such an elaborate attack against the Goddess energy that it’s hard for me, whose researched it, to even follow the logic, because it’s so selfish and unreasonable that I can’t even find its logical source. It was merely to wrest control away from women of intellect. It was a lot more than that, but all the torture and ‘tests’ were nothing more than excuses to kill knowledge among the women.

          When I think about the shamanic knowledge of herbs we lost from all the midwives and healers who were killed in the name of witchcraft, I honestly start to tear up. If they had lived to continue their research and care, then the medical profession today would be a place of actual healing. The only possible way that the current medical system could exist is due to a masculine domination in the concept of ‘healing.’ It’s invasive in every form, and the smear campaign against the true nature of internal healing still goes on to this day in the morons who think naturopathic and homeopathic medicine is somehow a fad or a lie.

        • Well, if your aim is to get rid of the demon, it IS very effective… nobody said anything about saving the person from it πŸ˜€

          You know, in medieval there were many tests to see if you’re a witch/wizard. Like they threw you into a river you swim out, you’re a witch they burn you on the stake. You drown you weren’t, oh well ┐(Β΄γƒΌο½€)β”Œ

    • wrong, abortion (devil’s influence) has killed hundreds of millions, religion has cleansed tens of thousands, and those were sinners and criminals

      Many ignorant people here, faith in God is the only reason God let us understand his world through his gift of science “the study of God’s work”

      -Samantha

      • why does there have to be a god? are we so helpless we can not find our own way with our own knowledge we have obtained? or is your brain to small to see a larger picture of how things really are?

        Just a question πŸ˜€

        • Some people find comfort in following a higher or superior being to know they’re on the righteous path to whatever rewards they may receive or not in the current or next life.

          Just living out your own life and avoiding extremism should be good enough to escape the (supposedly) fire of hell (that probably awaits me after this life).

        • @Float
          The sentence involved only religion and claimed that more were killed by it, rather than saved. (Though religions sometime claim that killing means saving.)

          So, there is a comparison between killing and saving, but only through religion. Which means there is no point in comparing killings, at least not on this topic.

          I think the main point was, that religion is pointless, as it kills far more than it claims to save.

          I btw don’t hold the killing against religions. Killing is the natural way of life, I just criticize the hypocrisy of claiming to do good while doing all those atrocities. Even nowadays. And not just the small time religions.

        • @Float:
          You DO realize that all the examples you listed are totalitarian dictatures, don’t you? Sure, the ones in power there outlawed/repressed religion, but it was simply a matter of quashing potential rivals. It isn’t any better when the nutjobs in power use religion instead of repressing it: Talibans, the Inquisition, Puritans,…

        • Religion has little to do with anything as a whole. Even unrelated mass deaths in history can eventually be traced back to the intention of one party or another to cleanse or save a group of people based on the will of a higher power that someone somewhere is better than someone else.

          As usual, religion is not the problem, stupid people are, but unfortunately there’s a correlation between stupid people and religion. Religious people point to Ghandi, Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King, and many other figures that were of prominent religious background in some form or another, but the reality is that they were wise more than they were religious. Look at their words, and they have nothing to do with religion, but speak to the teachings of the original source. If you look at the instances in history of religion leading to violence vs. religion leading to prosperity, it becomes almost statistical that with all the horrid crap that occurs with religion, at least SOME good things MUST come from it. Always remember, Catholicism and Christianity are NOT the same as the teachings of Christ.

          Faith is and always will be the stepping stone to understanding. Those who stop at faith in the face of change and new knowledge are restricting their evolution as a spiritual being. When science disproves religion, which it does many times, the wise amongst them move on and learn how to be closer to Spirit through the knowledge. The arrogant and fearful (the rest) cling mindlessly to that which gives them false belief in their own power, while remaining powerless. It’s almost beautiful in its sadness how powerful the human ego can be in protecting people from themselves.

        • Some people probably want to have a feeling of belonging or purpose. Honestly I don’t care if people believe or not if they’re not being annoying about it. And if religious people are more likely to donate and more likely to donate more (even to nonreligious charities) all the more power to them.

        • >>Religion IS the worst killer on this planet.

          I believe this to be wrong and suggest that the worst killer on this planet are people who are part of a psychological crowd. (Anybody could be part of one.)

          Religion is just one way to create such a crowd and because religion lost most of their redeeming features I agree that we should stop giving them special treatment, as in money.

        • I agree with Float. While religion might get blamed as a cause of violence, it’s typically rather caused by people who are killing for other reasons, who just use religion as one way to get people backing them. If they weren’t using religion as an excuse to cause harm to others, they would be using something else, whether that be race, politics, economics or any number of things. There might be exceptions, but I think for the most part religion does more good than it does harm.

          Getting back to the point of the original post, it is kind of absurd that it’s considered perfectly legal in most places to kill someone before they’re born, but not after. Some might argue that their minds aren’t developed enough yet at that point, but really, aside from perhaps at the very early stages, they must have some degree of consciousness, even if they aren’t yet experiencing the world as most people do.

        • You are a sad pathetic little monkey Float. Those dictatorships didnt like to share power with anyone and the second power in those countries (at that time) was religion. And btw communist states operate like a religious sects. North Korea is a great example.

          And blaming mass murderings on “lack of god or faith in floating bearded man” is just retarded.

          Religion IS the worst killer on this planet. And ignorant and hypocritical people like you will take all of us down the drain sooner or later.

        • ‘Many ignorant people here, faith in God is the only reason God let us understand his world through his gift of science “the study of God’s work”‘

          How Ironic she says this yet provides no scientific proof of her invisible space monkey. I guess her god gave us the discount gift of science.

        • all the cool kids call each other stupid on the internet!
          Seriously though, you’re going to skip past her main point to complain about where she’s coming from? Just a question.

          Actually on the subject: anyone who complains that religion kills so much is wrong. Look at societies without religion. Engineered famines in the Soviet Union and China alone took out 50 million. Eastern bloc countries had their officer corps brutally purged and the general population could be harassed at any time. Other examples are North Korea and the Khmer Rouge. This is what happens when religion plays no role in society. And sure, abortion kills a lot too.

        • The main point of her argument does not say that God has to exist, but it instead suggests that religion does not kill more than it saves. I’m inclined to agree with her opinion when presented with anti-religious cases such as the Soviet Union (gulags, Great Purge, Holodomor and other genocide), Red China (suppression of Falun Gong, Tiananmen Square, Great Leap Forward), Khmer Rouge (killed a quarter of their own population), and the Mongols (who overall became nicer to their subjects after embracing Christianity and Islam).

          Also, insulting someone’s intelligence is generally a douche move, but what do I know?

      • “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
        Then he is not omnipotent.
        Is he able, but not willing?
        Then he is malevolent.
        Is he both able and willing?
        Then whence cometh evil?
        Is he neither able nor willing?
        Then why call him God?”

        Have a good day

        • You got that a bit backwards Float.

          Let’s work with the premise that the Genesis tale is true.

          Leads to the following problems.
          – If God wanted absolute obedience to his Laws, then he shouldn’t have given Man free will.

          It’s like giving people a cupcake and then telling them it’s forbidden for them to eat it. Why give it, if they’re not allowed to eat it?

          Same with free will.. You’re allowed to do whatever you want, long as it coincides with my demands. If not, then you’re SOL.

          As he’s Omniscient he should’ve known that it would never work. So again, why bother giving it then?

          – If said free will was a result of eating the Apple from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Then why put the thing in the Garden then?

          As God is omniscient, then he would have to know that Adam and Eve would eat from it.

          Meaning that he set them up from the word go, and that goes against the whole idea that God is just.

          So he punished them for something that he himself could’ve easily prevented from happening.

          And that’s just two issues you run into. Wee bit too tired right now to recall the other ones.

        • >>It’s like giving people a cupcake and then telling them >>it’s forbidden for them to eat it. Why give it, if they’re not >>allowed to eat it?

          >Have you ever do that to a dog (or seen it done to a dog)? >Put some food in front of a dog and order it not to eat.

          It’s called training, which is a workaround, and has nothing to do with the topic.

          The difference, for those who don’t find it obvious: we have dogs and want them to do what we want. In the story, god creates people. If he was really trying to make people do what he wants them to do, he just could have maked them that way. And if he was kinda bored and wanted something he could train, he would have. But he didn’t bother to train and just watched, as far as the story goes the character god is ja major jackass.

        • >It’s like giving people a cupcake and then telling them it’s forbidden for them to eat it. Why give it, if they’re not allowed to eat it?

          Have you ever do that to a dog (or seen it done to a dog)? Put some food in front of a dog and order it not to eat.

        • >>And that’s just two issues you run into. Wee bit too tired >>right now to recall the other ones.

          The funny thing is, once people confronted religious people with these issues, suddenly, they agreed that you mustn’t take those things literally.

          They also went from “There is a god” to “You can’t prove there isn’t”.

          If this wasn’t as sad as it is, I would laugh my ass off.

        • Evil comes from the freedom to make choices, and I’m sure you’d get upset if someone took away your freedom to do less than efficient things (like browse here, I’d bet all this wasted time harms your ability to mix around with other members of society or form the Master Set of Ethical Rules to End Evil). Therefore, willing has to be able to get people to stop doing evil of their own volition. Success has been rather mixed, at least people rarely kill just to watch others die anymore.

        • You know, starting a religious flamewar when a significant portion of the people here have been itching to have a religious flamewar as soon as they read the title is hardly a “successful troll”.

      • God is a replacement for parents when we all grow up and we push this absurdity on our own children so they can in-turn push this absurdity on their children. It’s like how the Americans still us Imperial measurement. They know it’s not as accurate as Metrics yet they still use it out of habit and the unfounded pride in being different. They had it pushed on them and they push it on their children.

        • People like you should be exorcised. Not even joking.

          To say Shingon is “hardly known in the West” is false. Most anyone who studies Asian languages, history, or literature should know about it. It’s one of the more famous sects. It’s all over the place. :-/

        • [quote]To say Shingon is “hardly known in the West” is false. Most anyone who studies Asian languages, history, or literature should know about it.[/quote]
          People who study Asian languages and culture are hardly a large portion of western society.

        • Hugo Kim i hope you are trolling if not your a pathetic piece of shit. Oh and an hypocritical fuck.

          A religious fanatic wanting to kill people who dont believe or whats worse! Left their religion.

          You are a true christian Hugo keep up the good work lol…

        • Really? I study Buddhism (in the West,) and I’m only peripherally aware of Shingon. I’ve heard it’s fairly mainstream in Japan, but esoteric sects seem rare in North America – if anything, there’s a strong leaning either to Zen or secular distillations of core concepts, or to Tibetan Buddhism in my experience.

        • Wow Hugo. Really?
          How dare you say something like that? Wishing death upon someone for having different views. You’re such a narrow minded asshole. Why are you even on sancom?

          All people like YOU should be killed.

          Inb4 hypocrite.
          It was a joke people.

    • And the local school are incompetent fucktards, when there’s been screams in the night and weird drum beating then adding 2+2 should be rather easy.

      It is impossible for that stuff not to be well known in the area and the teachers were just fucking cowards for not pushing the issue with the police.

        • @01:15
          most use “Jihad” when referring to “Jihad bil Saif”
          Interpreting “Jihad” only as inner “struggle” and ignoring it’s many meanings is a compatibly recent development among moderate muslims.

        • On the plus side marrying up to four lolis is legal.. but only fellatio until they reach an age where they won’t be “damaged”
          (the prophet thought it was OK once his last wife turned nine.
          The age seems to be valid, she is recorded to have played with puppets at a time after it happened, which was not allowed for girls after their first period)

          If you’re into “older” women, raping someones wife might be your thing.
          There won’t be much consequences as she will need to get four male witnesses to get you persecuted.
          If she doesn’t manage to find four, she’ll be stoned to death for adultery if she talks about it.

          The fujoshi might not be very happy though as you’ll have execute all gay couples you find by throwing them from high places.

          …and there will be no turning back from your decision, it’s not in the book but a hadith claims the prophet was in favor of killing apostates… (no burning though)

          If you peel all the padding and modernizing from the religion that’s what you’ll find at it’s core, most are moderate but the text itself isn’t (if you read it in the proper chronological order of revelation).

          Pretty much the opposite of christianity where you end up with pacifist hippies once you take away all of the added structure of the church and consider the pacifist new testaments teachings to have priority over the jewish old testament, like the later more militarist revelations in medina of have over the older ones written down in mekka.

        • So, what about it? A “struggle” can hardly be considered “bad” or “wrong”.
          That’s like saying “achieving good grades at school is immoral”.

          It’s the hardliners that cause all the grief. And that includes the people behind trop.com.

          May Amaterasu have mercy with their souls.

    • They should suffer the same as the girl did (or just plain waterboarding for hundreds of times). It always is strange for me that some peopel who are for the death penalty want a “humane” way of killing the criminal. In my opinion the murderer should suffer at least as much as his victim(s) did. If you want lethal injection then use sulphuric acid, if you want to hang him, then use short rope so he is strangled, if you want to put him in electric chair, then use voltage low enough to take at least half hour to kill him. Or just pour some gas on his dick and light it on fire. If the fire does not kill him, light on of his fingers on fire and so on.

        • Two reasons – 1) others may think twice before committing a crime they might be boiled alive for, 2) while here the father was the killer, in other cases the family of the victim might want to “thank” the murderer properly. It’s just wrong when someone who has murdered somebody is allowed to live out his life in relative comfort or even if he gets the death penalty all considerations are taken to ensure that he does not suffer. He did not make these considerations for his victim(s), why should we?

          Or at least, if you want to keep him alive, make him earn his food – one thing the Soviets did well – the conditions in a prison were bad and the criminals had to work. Once somebody did some time they usually did not want to go back to prison, unlike now when he goes out of prison just to commit another crime and go back and then complain that he does not get enough vitamins.

  • A loli Died that day.. screw those men.. Pedobear is Angry… Pedobear is coming to get you!

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  • Agnostic writing here… religion can be helpful in society, but it also can be harmful if abused. Just like drugs: “take in moderation.”

    As for perpetrators… possibly insane, possibly evil, possibly plain stupid; regardless, they need to go to be locked up as a danger to society.

    As to the neighbors… WTF–ASSHOLES?!! They can’t tell the difference between a baby crying because its diaper is full, or the shrieks of small children happily at play, versus the screams of the tortured?! I don’t belive that.

    The bigger question is, did the police bother to send a team through the cult’s properties to search for other possibly involuntarily-restrained/tortured people?

    • From an agnostic point of view, religion has a lot of positive aspects, it’s just more popular these days to go against it. But if you actually look at the pros and cons, there are very good arguments for both sides.

      Religion has helped a lot of people and set a lot of people straight. But also, religion can be credited for centuries of priceless art, architecture, music, and philosophy. Some of the greatest scientific minds were also religions men, as, contrary to popular belief, religion and scientific thought do not have to be mutually exclusive.

      Talks about religion tend to be a little dull these days because it’s more popular and accepted to be against it. But then that almost always shows that both sides aren’t actually studying what they are talking about.

      • To quote Stephen Crane:

        A man said to the Universe
        “Sir, I exist!”
        “However” replied the Universe
        “The fact has not created in me a
        sense of obligation”.

        “When it occurs to a man that nature does not regard him as important, and she feels she would not maim the universe by disposing of him, he at first wishes to throw bricks at the temple, and he hates deeply that there are no bricks and no temple.”

        God (if he exists) just doesn’t give a shit about what you do or don’t do, period.

        The short story “The Open Boat” by Crane broaches this subject quite well. It’s worth the read.

      • God > religion

        We don’t know what’s out there. We can trace the light of 13 billion year old galaxies, and even if it were possible to gather all possible data in the universe (which it isn’t) we would still never know what’s beyond that. I can easily see how someone can believe in God, but it’s harder for me to accept that he’s agenda is anything like the murderous rampages we tend to see.

    • lies and manipulation can be useful in society if took with moderation ?

      and you really believe that ?

      for the neighbours, a teenage’s screams sounds like another teenage’s screams, i have a sister who believed all her life that the louder she screamed, the faster she would get what she wants,

      so unless you can hear words or understand that she’s drowning you can’t really think “oh, a kid is being tortured”

    • You left out the involuntary part. As in involuntary manslaughter, because her death was a direct result of her ‘exorcism’. But not the intended result.

      You’d think they would bring up torture charges too, and question wither or not she was being held there against her will. But it’s Japan, and kids probably don’t have much say in that matter, there.

      • @ Anon 12:56 28/09/2011:

        “…her death was a direct result of her ‘exorcism’. But not the intended result.”

        So, if I intentionally drive my car over my enemy, killing him, can I get the charges reduced to “involuntary manslaughter” by playing stupid and saying, “Well, gee, I didn’t know running him over in my car would KILL him, I thought it would just rough him up a bit.”?

        I’m pretty sure the answer is ‘no’, at least in the USA.

        Likewise, father + priest should be held fully-accountable.

        • The Japanese version of “manslaughter” is slightly different. They were charged with “inflicting bodily injury resulting in death,” which is a step below deliberate murder but does not depend on whether they intended to kill the victim or not, and is in turn a step above “involuntarily” causing death through negligence or error.

          In any case, it is a very serious crime.

        • Anon, you have a motive to kill your enemy, so you will be assumed murderer even if it really was an accident.
          In this case, the father had no obvious motive to kill her. If the prosecution had a plausible motive to work with, they would have brought murder charges.

  • all religions do this shit, not just remote Buddhist cults and Islam, you have to be seriously out of touch with reality to join a religion in the first place, or to believe that this is an isolated case.

  • They how kill a girl and they throwing all the fall on the religion.
    Her father and the monk they are just 2 twisted people they think that they can escape.
    And the teacher from the school he is idiot or he is pretend to be one .

    School has responsibility …

  • Do you think the Japanese will go after Buddhism and try to ban it like they try to ban anything ‘otaku’ after any extreme individual anime fan does something bad?

    No, I don’t think so either.

  • If everytime a religion killed someone, the tax on that religon’s operations rose by 1%, this wouldn’t be a problem.

    Wacky cults don’t looks so appealing when the business plan to exploit either the powerless or the moronic pays less than delivering takeout food.

  • This kinda reminds me of jigoku shoujo season 2 and 3. Blame a kid for being a demon and pretty much talking about how “bad” or “noisey” things are over at the neighbours, but not actually doing shit. It’s simple. People are cowards. Fuck if the girl wasn’t in school for 7 months the educational system should have called the police to get her back. And the neighbours….they heard everything, and what did they do? They sat on there fat asses and waited for her to die.

  • This is some of saddest crap I’ve read in a while for those with faith or lack of go smoke some pot look through a telescope and tell me what yousee, not even our best scientist know any more certain than anyone else, and let’s not forget your loli loving cock suckers I only hope you kiddies are still in high school faping to thirteen year olds, but more than likely you thirty-five thinking about sixth graders. Go fucking die

  • Wow sankaku comments are the gutter of the internet. Youtube,liveleak have comments on par with those here.

    Why do i even bother to look it up from time to time… AHH YES! For the comments !

    I love to watch retarded monkeys in a zoo.

    • You can’t prove or disprove that, so it’s a stupid point to argue.

      It never ceases to amaze me how many people try to sound logical or scientific using a hypothesis you can’t prove or disprove.

      • On the contrary, you can disprove his claim rather easily. Just present God and you have disproven his claim just fine.

        What you can’t do is prove that there is no God. Then again, you cannot prove the easter bunny, Big Foot, yetis, or a flying spaghetti monster isn’t real either. Or in other words, someone that believes in God are likely just as correct as someone who believes in Big Foot or the easter bunny…
        Funny how we only tend to put one kind of those people in mental asylums πŸ™

  • This is exactly why I hate religion. Mental people start thinking that they’re all high and mighty and that everyone a bit different is possessed by the devil/evil spirits.
    Fucking religious psychos

  • religion is stupid. I will say christianity is among one of the dumbest but wow are we lucky its not scientology thats the the number one infectious religion.

    though with out religion i think some really good anime shows and manga books would disappear <_< one tiny win for religion. Another life taken by fucktards that believe there was a god telling them even though it was their own thoughts. <_<

    morals to live by are good/can be good though.

    • Bashing religion is stupid in itself. You’re being hypocritical.

      What if a good, moral person happens to have a religion? They should be treated the same as a good, moral person who doesn’t have a religion.

      I don’t know why people are so set on taking one aspect of someone and using it to insult the person regardless of how well they live their lives or treat others.

      Either way I couldn’t give a shit what you believe in if you’re a good person.

      • No, they should be treated like a good moral person who also happens to believe that Santa Claus is real.
        Someone who have given up their critical thinking and ability to reason for the sake of easy access to a community and self gratification does not deserve respect.

        They have thrown away our one tool, our ability to think and reason, that have allowed us as a species to not only survive, but to thrive beyond the means of any other species on this planet. Our ability to reason is why we can go to bed well fed and warm at night. It’s why were able to travel to the moon and back, and someday, it will be the ability to think and reason that enable us to travel to the stars.

        Theism, at it’s core, is turning of that ability to think and reason, because no deity can be argued for with reason and logic, in theisms there is only belief, no proof.

        And for doing that, believes deserve no respect, only pity.

      • not bashing things that are completely imaginary and people actually think is true is stupid unless you do it to manipulate people. If they are a good person the you should probably let them know that what they believed to be true is actually false. Its like santa just on a bigger scale.

        • satan raped and killed god and shoved him into teh pits of hell to rot. …. satan is running our world…….. everyones worshipping the devil in bliss…… but satan is ruled by a the all mighty cock.

          PROVE THAT FALSE…. cant so must be true according to that logic. everything that i say is true until proven wrong. …. I am satan’s spawn : O i have immortality beyond the scope of silly humans. tis true cuz it cant be proven false

          teh logic is even more flawwed than the other anons : O if you havent proved it to be false then it must be true. <_<

          btw the hidden leaf village is real and they all look exactly like they do in naruto.

          cant prove that false

          ps. i got my dick sucked by god before she died…. she looked like she was 10 πŸ˜‰ tis true unless you have proof that says other wise.

        • People like the anon@2:49 with fundamental flaws in their thinking skills is why religion still exists in the age of reason and science.

          Your logic is bad, it is very much possible to prove that a God exists, you could for example simply show us an almighty, omniscient being that fit the definition of God.

          What’s not possible is to prove the non existence of anything, including such things as the Tooth Fairy, dragons, orcs, or for that matter, God.
          The only thing you can do with claims of non existence is to disprove them, commonly done by actually proving their existence. For example, showing a real live dragon would be a pretty good way to disprove the claim of dragons not existing.
          Ironically, the thing that God, the Tooth Fairy, and dragons, all have in common is that so far, no one have been able to disprove their non-existence, and thus, claims of their existence are equally not creditable.

        • the world was created in seven days and with in those seven days man was created. lolololol shit like thats why religions get bashed.mankind sure is isnt any where near as old as the earth, mankind never lived with anything during or before the dinosaurs. and if this was true that would make man the most pathetic thing on the planet. Born as a complex organism with a very good brain*this could be debated* yet only in during the 20th centurary man kind has teh internet, airplanes, teh invention of easily distributed porn. Then when you want to say its stupid to bash religion. 1st go get a scientology book. 2nd read it. 3rd then try and tell me that.

        • Santa can be proven to be a creation. You can’t prove or disprove the hypothesis of God. Anyone who is actually claiming to be logical or scientific would acknowledge this much, and then acknowledge that it’s stupid to try to prove a negative to someone. Therefore, bashing religion is stupid.

    • Religion is great. I love it. For all the bat shit insane stories and mythology it came up with I mean. It’s left us with a really vibrant pool of highly imaginative unintentional fantasy, perfect for basing deliberate fantasy off. I really don’t know where the world of fiction would be without it.

      But you see, these religions, have stopped producing new stories. And yet they seem confused as to why their fan base is abandoning them. Expecting people to keep tuning into millennia old repeats and printing the same book again and again, it no surprise. Religion has served it’s single useful purpose. It’s time for it to sink into the history books for our future children to laugh at.

  • They how kill a girl and they throwing all the fall on the religion.
    Her father and the monk they are just 2 twisted people,
    they think that they can escape.
    And the teacher from the school he is idiot or he is pretend to one .

    School has responsibility …

  • I know this might sound crazy and people will hate me for saying this, but I wonder what the situation was.

    Why did the father think his daughter was possessed?
    The girl was a quiet normal girl according to the article, she went to class normally, till (I assume) her father started exorcising her.

    Why did the father have to rely on a secret cult?
    There are many possibilities, the fact that the mother was not mentioned most likely meant he was a single parent, and if he does not have anyone to turn to he turned to religion.

    I am pretty sure this was all under good intent, the idea of exorcising the daughter. Except when things fail and the religion has its pride it has to sustain it is pressured to continually try until it works, or till she dies.
    The father thought it was fine because he assumed the priest was a professional, the priest thought it was fine because he was given this authority and power. It resulted in something similar to the Milgram experiment.

    Looking at the context here the people may be good people to begin with, it is not like they had the intent of raping, killing, or torturing her.

    Also, Samantha it is not that they do not have faith in God, it is that they do not have faith in the God you have faith in and you have to learn to accept that.

  • and you thought waterboarding was torture… 100 times?? WTF?

    more humans have died in the name of god ( whichever you chose.. from Moses to the pebble on ur shoe) but.. it was always Man saying they spoke for god etc. .. religion can save people.. man’s bastardization of it.. Kills..

    • People use religion as an excuse when they do something wrong. And then while everyone is bitching about the religion the man who did wrong gets away while everyone is bickering.

      I don’t have a problem with religion. I won’t spend my time arguing what it does to people. What I want is for people to STFU and blame the actual assholes who do this shit.

  • Such is life… When you have fucked up parents, there’s nothing much anyone can do. The laws are made to give full responsability and priority to the parents, so nobody can take your child for you without a very good reason or shits like that. But sometimes this happens, we can’t blame the school or the government. It’s really hard to do something in this situations, taking the child for a father that is just a bit weird is nearly impossible. Poor girl, really sorry for her.

    • This is why things like home education should be outlawed. The teacher visited to check up on her repeatedly, but obviously the teacher has no authority or power in that situation. He or she might inform the police, but if there is not a law requiring that the student attend in a proper school, what can the police do if no laws have been broken?

  • There are no bad religions! Without religion, the world would be a very fucked up place to live. Religions tell us that killing is bad. This guys ain’t religious, but extremists. Extremist is diffrent from follower and from religious.
    I just hate when atheists act like if they were “science guys”. Science has never disproven God. In fact, religions helped science during millenia. Religions built our culture (that’s why I say the world would be fucked up without them), society, laws and traditions. Even now, we use the Gregorian Calendar created by the Pope Gregory XIII, and the current year is the would-be current age of Jesus Christ himself, and atheist can’t say he was never born because it’s a widely accepted fact.
    Quoting Wikipedia: “cult pejoratively refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre”
    While religion is: “Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and moral values”
    Quite different ain’t it?

    A very important thing is that, as I said at the start of this comment, no religion is bad, and I have already cleared out the diferences between religions and cults. Most people that have lived in this world have been religious. Yes I know that most of the wars have been provoked by religions, but religion has made more good than harm, because as I said before, religions built our culture, traditions, laws and society.

    Finally, I don’t care if most people here don’t believe in God or deny him. It’s not my problem. The bad thing is to bash religions, because many people who enters this site are either agnostics or members of a religion (like me :/). And it actually feels horrible to read some of them because most are very harsh and insulting. Every person on Earth has a right to choose a religion or not chosing one at all, but if you don’t choose any, please don’t insult and discriminate people that do, because ther’re actually more… Also Christianity and Buddhism are different things too.

    • I don’t know about you, but I don’t need someone up in the sky to tell me that killing is bad.

      [quote]I just hate when atheists act like if they were “science guys”. Science has never disproven God.[/quote]
      You had to go there didn’t you?
      Science has no proof that god does not exist. However, science does prove that many of your previously held superstitions are just that.
      Like how God didn’t put the sun up in the sky because the sun came well before Earth. And like how we are made of mostly carbon, hydrogen and oxygen instead of dirt. And like how we weren’t always in the form we are today, but evolved from microorganisms.
      What many of as atheists think of religion is as entirely baseless claim on the same level as alchemy, magical healing and all the other pseudo-sciences.
      While we don’t claim that a god conclusively does not exist, but you don’t have any evidence to support the creation myth either. You will find atheists far more reasonable if you call your ideas “God theory” just like we do with ours when we have inconclusive evidence.

      [quote]Quoting Wikipedia[/quote]
      Don’t quote wikipedia, quote a dictionary. Preferably something reputable.

      [quote]Most people that have lived in this world have been religious.[/quote]
      Most people smoke and drink achohol. That doesn’t make it a good thing.

      [quote]Yes I know that most of the wars have been provoked by religions[/quote]
      Wrong. Greed and resources are the number one reason for provoking wars.

      [quote]but religion has made more good than harm[/quote]
      There is no way to measure how much “good” or “harm” was done by religion.

      [quote]because as I said before, religions built our culture, traditions, laws and society.[/quote]
      Those things are aspects of religion, not exclusive to it. We’ve seen evidence of them in many early cultures way before religion developed.

      [quote]The bad thing is to bash religions, because many people who enters this site are either agnostics or members of a religion[/quote]
      I believe that it’s my responsibility as a humanist to help my fellow humans correct themselves when they make mistakes. If I have a reason to believe that this is best achieved by rebuking or even ridiculing them, then I will do so.

      [quote]And it actually feels horrible to read some of them because most are very harsh and insulting.[/quote]
      If you leave your car unlocked in the middle of the shadiest parts of town, you don’t get to complain it was stolen.
      The internet is harsh and insulting. If you don’t like it, then take that as a lesson and stay out of the less moderated places.

      [quote]Every person on Earth has a right to choose a religion or not chosing one at all, but if you don’t choose any, please don’t insult and discriminate people that do, because ther’re actually more… [/quote]
      I could make a comment about quantity versus quality, but that would be stupid.

      [quote]Also Christianity and Buddhism are different things too.[/quote]
      O rly?

  • what a waste of a just budding 13 year old piece of meat. She most likely could of been used to help satisfy men’s carnal cravings. But Nooo… they have to go and kill it. What a waste. Japan, you idiot.

      • Such an inflexible thinking, I did not say or indicated “all” people.

        Religion has created more problems in this world than good, people can be and do good things around the world WITHOUT the teachings of religion. However religion tends to create overzealous believers.

        • And people can do good WITH religious teachings. The point is it doesn’t matter as long as you area good person and not a fanatic for ANYTHING.

          So your want to criticize religion, naively stating that it’s has created more problems than good, is ridiculous in itself if you are trying to sound open minded.

  • A loli Died that day….. screw the fathers… Pedobear is coming to get you guys.. ROARS

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  • A loli died that day…. screw the men… Pedobear is angry.

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  • This is how I think the girl really died.

    “Thy kingdom come…”

    “YOUR MOTHER SUCKS COCKS IN HELL!”

    “…Shit…”

    “EHEHEHEHEHEHEH.”

    “Suck on this!”

    *priest drowns the girl to death*

  • blaming someone’s faith is just as ignorant as praising science, since science and faith are essentially the same thing because God created nature and science is the study of nature, thus, the study of God’s work

    the monk and the father were crazy and clearly did not have faith in God

    -Samantha

    • Science demands thought followed by action, Religion demands thought followed by a specific interpretation of action so that they seem justified. Here lies the error in logic.

      With science, things are evidently justified, with religion, you need to presuppose a whole lot of things for your actions to not seem batshit-insane.

      As someone who grew in a quiiiite Christian country, I know the best religion has to offer, it’s just a way for communities to come together and reassure each other that their fears and worries will be taken care of. It’s a nice communal way of fooling each other into happiness and that is beautiful.

      The problems arise when fanatics twist the original notions of a religion so it’ll fit their ideas and since ANYTHING can be made into a believable form if it’s a part of a religion and has been sufficiently justified through methods that require faith, they can basically manipulate a whole lot of people into doing their bidding.

      • Actually if you really want to be scientific about religion you’d have to be agnostic, not atheist.

        Atheists are running on a hypothesis that can’t be proven or disproven. So it’s hilarious to hear them claim to be these men of science while being just as fanatical as religious extremists while trying to get people not to believe in God.

        I’ve seen atheists who were just as tiresome as extremists because both act like everyone else is stupid for not believing them despite the fact that they have nothing to back up their claims.

        They don’t seem to notice that their lack of evidence is just a vast as a religious extremist’s.

        I have to chuckle every time a debate about religion comes up because it almost always turns into a kindergarten battle “debate.”

      • you don’t let yourself understand the world of God

        science is the study of nature,since nature is God’s work, science is thus the study of God’s creation. Don’t you understand? God created nature, and science is the study of it, you cannot ask me to give you proof because the proof is everywhere, you walk on God’s earth, you breathe God’s air, earth rotates around the sun because God designed planets to rotate around stars, science didn’t do that, God did it.

        Science is just “discovering” what God did

        we people don’t invent anything, all we do is discover the secrets to how God made the universe and use it for good (medicine) or bad (abortion) and will be judged at the Gates of Heaven

        you already admitted that Christianity brings people together, don’t you hate being an atheist? aren’t you depressed?

        – Samantha

      • that’s not what she’s saying at all is it? Reworded it’s something like: God created science and nature, so why are you praising that but hating on God?

        Whether or not you agree with that is your own opinion, but at least read through her comment before coming up with a witty retort.