Japan’s Liberal Democratic Party is set on passing a bill which would ban all loli material as child pornography, saying it promotes crimes against children.
The law as it stands strictly prohibits making and distributing (photographic) child pornography, but “simple possession” is not criminalised (except in Kyoto, which recently passed its own local ban).
Various legislative efforts to pass national bans on possession of child pornography have in recent years been made, but all have have been abandoned due to the inability of the LDP and DPJ to agree on anything.
The latest effort to pass a ban is encountering difficulties because the LDP (authoritarian mock-capitalists who ran Japan for almost the entire post-war period) and their Komeito stooges (a minority political party controlled and supported by the Soka Gakkai, a Buddhist cult) want to explicitly include anime and manga in the definition of what can constitute “child pornography,” whilst the ruling DPJ (incompetent leftists) opposes this.
The LDP and Komeito both assert that such anime and manga promote victimisation of children and so should be banned, whilst the DPJ oppose any inclusion of 2D material, saying it should be protected on free speech grounds and instead considered culture.
It is the LDP to which arch-manga hater Shintaro Ishihara formerly belonged (he left to form his own party as it was insufficiently crazy for him); his son is in fact the LDP chief secretary (a large proportion of LDP seats are in practice hereditary in nature).
The Democrats have generally been sceptical of efforts to more heavily criminalise child pornography, arguing that such laws would be ripe for abuse by police – a not unreasonable concern considering Japanese police are practically a law unto themselves, and a corrupt and capricious one at that.
There is thought to be almost no chance of the two sides agreeing, and the DPJ still control the Diet – although when the Tokyo manga ban was initially proposed, the Tokyo DPJ initially opposed it, only to decide to support it when a reworded and even more extreme draft was submitted a second time.
2ch possesses an almost schizophrenic blend of crazy right-wingers and lovers of 2D culture (frequently the same people), and so is in some trouble when its most hated party is also its only saviour:
“Otaku vote-grubbing!”
“If the LDP get this past it will be a storm of censorship, no doubt…”
“By all means crack down on the sellers and buyers of that stuff. But crackiing down on people who are just immersed in fantasy is sheer madness.”
“Banning all romantic scenes involving under 18s… Infinite Stratos and so on will be done for in a stroke.”
“All the arguments for these laws are based on pure emotion, not reason.”
“There is absolutely no evidence which suggests manga promotes victimisation of children. On the contrary, it probably has the opposite effect. Do they watch rape ero-anime in South Africa? My only concern is the effect of 2D on people’s interest in real women, and on the birth rate.”
“And with even the panchira censored in recent anime…”
“The LDP is a religion now.”
“The LDP has my vote!”
“The LDP and Komeito are just going to keep on about this. Eventually it’ll pass. And the DPJ will probably be massacred in the next general election.”
“I voted for the DPJ only because of this. But when they get kicked out the next lot will pass it anyway.”
“The touch of religious hysteria which the LDP and Komeito have in relation to this issue is pretty scary.”
“It’s because the cults lurking in the LDP/Komeito’s background will never accept child sexuality, whether real or imagined.”
“The LDP and Komeito are desperate to ban this stuff, they’ll just do it later anyway.”
“This is nothing less than re-establishing our thought police.”
“This is the only reason I support the DPJ!”
“People don’t understand freedom. You may be free to think of this stuff, but you should not be free to publish it to other people. You can’t just say anything to other people.”
“Because it’s fiction we should allow anything? I’m ashamed of Japan…”
“All the foreign countries ban this stuff so why shouldn’t we?”
“If what they are doing is right, why haven’t we got rid of the mosaics in our porn? Just because foreigners do it doesn’t mean it is right. Saying that is a bad habit of the Japanese.”
“Japan’s rape and youth crimes are a twentieth of what they were at the start of the post-war period. Yet AV and ero-manga are more available than ever – strange isn’t it?”
“The censorship crowd just want to eliminate everything they disagree with. They keep attacking on a near permanent basis, it’s troubling.”
“How many people would they falsely arrest if they got this law?”
“The LDP and Komeito are just too dangerous now… and you damn Democrats, you voted for the Tokyo manga ban!”
“The LDP and Komeito don’t give a damn about the children – they just want to take anime away from anime otaku and make them make babies.”
“They’ll push this through and just revise it later to include the 2D stuff.”
“It’s over. The DPJ will be done for next election and this lot will get in and ban everything.”
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well that would destroy 80% of their earning
Underground manga doesn't seem too far off
I think it'd explode in ero content if it was forced to go underground anyway.
I mean, now they try to stay safe.
If they're forced to go underground, they're able to have the characters do whatever they feel like. People will still want to aquire it.
Maybe if they pass it, people will get tired of censoring their own minds and form a Revolution. Rose of Versailles hentai will skyrocket.
Hey man, i got the stuff
*Open coat filled with manga*
All uncensored and delicious!
Oh noes iz deh police
-puts away manga and takes out Ishihara book-
Oh wait, those are corrupt agents, if u gvie them some of the stuff they'll leave you. Wait... That's all police
We'll have to take the covers off of Ishihara's rape novels and use them as covers for our illegal manga. Sounds like fun!
Don't worry, they're here for the loli manga too.
Illegal goods top seller:
1. manga
2. drugs
3. weapons
Pssst. Hey. Want some hot stuff? For fifty grand mills I can hook you a page or two of some hot loli action.
Yeah. What a crappy world we live in.
Instead of educational enlightenment we get repressive retardation.
Know what? I'll call it by its name. It's all the fault of this damned fear-mongering that started 10 years ago. Every fucking country engages in enslaving their people with fear and delusions. We will soon have a planet that's too scared to develop any further because life is potentially lethal.
@ 04:15
"Instead of educational enlightenment we get repressive retardation."
what's there to be educated about content used as fapping material by oyaji and Japanese / foreign NEET? Said content being caricatures which strongly resemble real life children in terms of physical appearance?
Please, enlighten me.
Enlighten me how parents shouldn't be concerned that the type of content in question, it being as easily accessible as it is (won't be soon, haha), might influence or encourage a pedophile to do the deviant acts usually depicted in these type of comics in real life to their children?
Fear-mongering isn't necessary, dontcha' think?
Thanks for the enlightenment.
We don't take your words seriously anymore after you said that you like lolis and watch ecchi. You're worse than a pedophile. Go to your nearest mental hospital ASAP.
@thereallamberto
It's not my fault you're a pedophile who's on otaku sites all day; you operate two accounts (your own and my flattering clone account arabesque2) on SanCom alone.
You really shouldn't put that much effort onto somebody who goes on the internet for a 3 hours maximum a day.
@大和魂 【門前の小僧習わぬ経を読む】:-*sigh* am in no mood to fight you troll, take your shit and leave already, my god, its because of ignorance like yours that people get screwed over.
@arabesque
Actually, I think it's Evil "De" King who's impersonating you. Lamberto's too stupid to think of something like that.
@大和魂 【門前の小僧習わぬ経を読む】
Yes, you, of all the people in this thread, need enlightenment. Why don't you sit down a second and THINK about the stuff you post here. Fear-mongering is EXACTLY what you're doing right here.
I would actually like to know how old you are and if you even understand the concept of "reading comprehension".
People like you are dangerous because you only deal in extremes. Obviously, you propagate that lolicon equals pedophilia and rapist tendencies. That is absolutely and irrefutably wrong.
Even if a person would be branded a pedophile, that doesn't make HIM or HER a rapist, a criminal or worse.
WHY should parents be afraid? Of what? Of 2D drawings? Parents should educate their children, should talk to them and LISTEN to what their children have to say.
Nobody can guarantee a 100% safety of anything. But you're making this world even worse by casting the blame and a verdict on people who haven't done anything.
ENLIGHTENMENT comes through open-minded discourse. This encompasses positive as well as negative aspects of life. Art and literature serve their purpose and if they are misused, that is not the fault of the fictional material but rather the fault of single individuals with their own problems.
Uneducated people like you who can't see anything beyond their tiny little egos, who can't see other peoples thoughts and wishes, those are the ones who will continue to make this world a sad joke.
Oh and yeah, let me spell it out for you. This problem we're faced with here goes FAR beyond possible depictions of virtual sex. We're almost at a point where the depiction of a seemingly underage characters can be criminalized, because of "what-if" scenarios that couldn't be any more far-fetched.
With every cut, with every censorship, with every ban we're losing far more than mere drawings on paper.
The doujinshi market is in essence underground.
Problem is how to find english translated kind since its a bitch if it all Japanese beside legal bookstores won't sell underground mangas....
I rather manga go under ground that disappear then again I rather the entire poltical agendas that only want a quick buck like this to disappear
-_________-
i love this....
so, in 20 years, then the majority population dies out (like 70% of japans population is over the age of 50-60) the few people left behind will live in poverty cuz we wanna decrease one of our conuntries major exports cuz we dont like loli...
sigh
It is time that THEY open their eyes and look at the loyal fans instead of the criminals.
1."anime harms children" my ass. the next chapter of (insert anime here) is the ONLY thing keeping me from jumping infront of a bus.
2.the only reason this is happening is because old dudes that cant have a good night with themselves like shintaro, so they prey on children.
3.laws like this will result in a massive economic downfall of japan....
1. Agreed, anime only hurts adults, the adults that have to ruin it for the rest of us who watch it because they seem to have a coronary over the lovable lolis
2. Agreed, it seems 1st world countries all fall for the "save the children" lecture ... as if what politicians could do saves anyone >.>
3. When do political decisions banning unharmful things ever not...
We need Yabuki Kentarozord, NOW!
And Japan (or at least those Government-running organisms), stop making your country as moralistically normal as the others. Being moralistically normal is overrated.
"such anime and manga promote victimisation of children and so should be banned"
"such politics and laws promote victimisation of Freedom of speech and so should be banned"
Oh how I wish I could +2 this post.
I wish this idiotic trend of banning 2D works would end. Categorising imaginary depictions, which cannot suffer harm and have no rights, as real child porn only serves to trivialise actual child abuse.
There is also no evidence at all that fictional material causes actual increases in real crime. In any case, 2D is pure fantasy and doesn't correlate with actual sexual preferences- the vast majority of consumers are not pedophiles in reality.
The entire basis of such laws is just scapegoating and prejudice.
Arguments like "anime hurts children" are easily picked up by moms because of their natural fear of their children being hurt. This is just a way to gather parents' vote. The politicians don't necessarily hate anime, they just want to win elections.
That's what people called them in my country POLITICO-LOCO.
I find the LDP to be more idiotic and pathetic than you maniacal sickos. At least I'm now a sicko myself.
Actually, circumstantial evidence points to the opposite. The existence of such material seems to act as a kind of buffer... unfortunately, even though it's been noted as such, no organization seems willing to actually FUND a study specifically targeting said material.
The funny part for me: I remember going over this as circumspect information from several Criminal Justice and Law Enforcement Practice Textbooks back in college. I know these Textbooks are still in use as well, because my nephew is now taking the same course and they're still using the same textbooks.
"circumstantial evidence", if it even really exists, is always a "what-if" scenario.
We have to ask ourselves if we, as humans, want a society that executes people long before there's even a case.
Pedophilia is a naturally occuring predisposition that can be found throughout the animal kingdom. However, when people hear pedo, they think rapist. And that's just wrong.
Lolicon doesn't even affect reality.
And i don't even want to mince words here. If people fap to drawings, then let them. There is no harm in that. Repression will always have the adverse effect.
Uninformed, ignorant people need scapegoats.
If you ask me the loli anime pictures might just be enough for some pedophiles to stop them from doing anything to a real kid, which IMO they should leave them alone, its a drawing, no one was hurt, maimed or otherwise abused by its drawing. I mean just cuz they think the pictures is hot or sexy does not mean they are a rapist. I myself like loli pictures alot, but real life kids do not interest me at all. IMO what people have in their own home to get their rocks off too is really no ones business.
I think the law in general is making too big a fuss over cartoon loli pictures and such. They should be worried about other things tbh.
'We have to ask ourselves if we, as humans, want a society that executes people long before there's even a case.'
That sounds pretty good. Laws always seem to make everything worse, so if people get killed before the law gets involved, there should be less human suffering.
Following this theory to its natural conclusion, if we kill everybody as soon as possible, we won't be troubled by a society at all.
What would it matter Megidola ?
I didn't know there would be so many Anti-Lolicons on 2ch.
This is Japans business though and I would not interfere in any way, even if I could.
Still, I am sick of those people.
Video games are evil ... lolicon is evil ...
People like to control others and bann things ~ ONLY as long as they don't consume it themselves.
Never heard about people screaming for a ban of alcoholic drinks and beer.
Not even after some drunk people beat someone to death. And if it's about alcohol, suddenly there are no 'suffering children' anymore either.
That's how it goes.
There ain't anything to argue about. Because it wouldn't even matter if lolicon increases 'child abuse' or video games serial killers.
You don't hear such discussions about things that are socially accepted in our society. At least not in my country.
And no sane person can say that alcohol doesn't increases homicide/violence and rape (and vandalism and other crimes of course).
Talking about double-standards.
Breivik showed us where to go. And what a single person is capable too.
If they want to take all the things I love away, they will pay !
Actually, there WAS a famous movement to ban the sale of alcohol in the US.
Spoiler: It didn't look like such a great idea, in hindsight.
@Tex_Arcana: Need I remind you, that alcohol WAS banned in US? In ~1920 a law for that was passed. The intention was pure. To reduce alcohol-caused crime. But it backfired. And badly at that. Not only alcohol was in fact accessible in "special" clubs, but it also promoted one prominent and famous name. Al Capone. There is one more effect of that law. The US budget was loosing $500 mln. every year. It ended in 1933 with Rossevelt saying "I think this would be a good time for a beer" on Sunday and in Tuesday the 21st Amendment was ratified.
Alcohol being banned at least makes an iota of sense.
Because the high it gives people and the impairment that happens is extremely intense for a legal option. But apparently, it's mostly that people hasn't wised up to the dangers of being addicted to it to the point where it can be medically diagnosed as an 'addiction' sometime in the mid last century. Same is happening with cigarettes where people are more aware of its dangers and naturally, more people would become wary of it.
Total bans are not necessary. Just better information.
I like the UK Law on this;
fictional 'child porn' is criminalised based on how -real- it is, which goes for bestiality and other illegal sexual activities.
Meaning that a loli eroge manga or anime would not be criminalised because it's obviously not real, and so would not promote the crime.
The Japanese government should stop worrying about harmless fiction and worry more about the real articles of child porn out there.
You are mistaken. Relevant English law (Coroners and Justice Act 2009) does not take realisticness into account. The criteria are:
-The image portrays minors
-it is pornographic
-it portrays sex acts with a child (the text of the law gives an exhaustive list of examples)
-it is grossly offensive/obscene
You may be confused since there is prior law against 'pseudo-photographs' depicting child sex abuse. This covers photoshop-constructed and otherwise photorealistic images.
Actually, it is.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-14169406
Okay, the guy is an ex-pedophile, but...
>jailed over child rape drawings
>drawings
You seem to be misinformed. As Anon 03:32 points out the bill in the UK covers "Anything that looks under 18" or seen as "distasteful". Doesn't matter if say it was characters of known franchises like Etna or Flonne from Disgaea who's age is known to be way over 100.
This covers everything from vampires, demons, angels, anthropomorphism or any other fictional creature. As long as the drawing looks underage.
I think you're confusing the DPA (Dangerous Pictures Act) and DDA (Dangerous Drawings Act). Thus covering what the DPA misses which are drawings.
next time we see a new process:
Duke Nukem vs The World
he is just too badass with his curses,
soo Ishihara and Co. are trying
their hardest to ban that moth**fu**er.
Im just getting tired of all the anime hate.
lol, i misread 'Democratic' as 'Demonic' instead...
You didn't misread anything.
lol
perfict fit is perfect fit!
"such anime and manga promote victimisation of children and so should be banned"
Toothbrushes promote victimization of children and so should be banned. <--A statement that is just as reasonable given the lack of information that anime and manga of any sort promote victimization of children.
The world honestly needs to get off of the "think of the children!" high-horse.
@ 22:34
"The world honestly needs to get off of the "think of the children!" high-horse."
A few adults weren't thought of as children,
and now you have Sankaku Complex's userbase.
Noob detected.
The IDIOT Lamberto <-- pedophile moron detected.
Anon 00:09:- a moron who lacks common sense detected.
@Anon 00:09
@arabesque's fag lover detected.
Real (LOL!) Lamberto <--- sez the person who has the Ishihara dick fetish and is probably jacking off mutually on Evil "De" King's cock.
@ 03:04
Hot damn. if that isn't a perfect example pro-pedophilia logic, i don't what know is.
So you're implying that regardless of the fact the content in question could potentially invoke mental trauma if by viewed minors (like all "modern day" pornography), sexualizes adolescents, preadolescences; and school children, potentially influence readers to commit the acts portrayed in the content on said targets of sexualization (all of this having been SCIENTIFICALLY proven and supported by sociologists and mental health specialists alike)...
It should still be permitted to be publicly displayed just like any regular poster or street advertisement, simply on the bases that it's drawn and thus subject to some "Freedom of Speech" loophole?
That makes as much sense as saying that health harming germs should be permitted to reproduce via the general public because it's naturally reoccurring, and absolutely nothing should be done to stop/curb its influences because it'll be environmentally damaging.
You guys are fucking shallow/idiots/pedophiles, and lack common sense
But do you want me to tell you a few who do have common sense? The LDP.
I should be watching To Love Ru right now, not making self-righteous rants with you illogical idiots.
That's really ironic coming from some delusional Ishihara-wannabe who told us that he's been watching ecchi anime lately, not to mention that he openly admitted that he started to LOVE lolis. @arabesque, you sir are a delusional nutcase!
Well SOMEONE is an idiot for falling into the whole IMPERSONATION thing. Here's a tip: check their profiles and their real usernames.
Actually, this is kinda ironic and funny since WEREN'T YOU SAYING SOMEONE IMPERSONATED YOU? That's why you put "Real" in your name.
Hahahahaha, you really are a moron, Lamberto.
Stop sucking @arabesque's dick already @00:11.
Awww did I hurt widdle Wamberto's feelings?
Tough. Live with it, fag.
Ok your pissing me off, then again thats the whole point of trolling no ?
1) their is NO scientifically evidence proving that pack of bullshit you posted, your just trying to make excuses because a) you do not like lolicon and b) because you are ignorant.
2) Your argument sounds just like the same bullshit that people uses to condemn violent video games.
3) you have no logical base other then "they are children" so what ? freedom of speech or expression, I have the right to say or draw what the fuck I want as long as am not violating another's right, so I can careless if you call it whatever the fuck you want however it is in my right to produce it and no matter what crap you spill, it will not change.
4) this does NOTHING for the crime rate infact there has no need to even go thought with this because japan has the lowest crime rate in the world "yes they may not report everything" however they have less missing children.
5) What is your problem with pedophiles ? did someone molest or rape you or someone close to you ? if so you need therapy not venting.
6) Lolicon has a more chance of making someone a actually pedophile like video games has a chance of making someone into a murderer, it CANNOT happen just so, it in fact is IMPOSSIBLE to happen unless someone is already twisted in the head, you don't just look at something and just go out and do it unless you don't have all your cards or screws right, so you and everyone else who thinks " he likes lolicon, hes a pedophile" no, pedophiles like children actually children, lolicon is a 2D preference, 2D does not equal 3D and whoever says different needs to see a doctor.
What you are basing your pathetic argument on is emotion not actually facts or reasoning but I guess I can't blame you its human nature to only see past their own nose.
@master-evil
"their is NO scientifically evidence proving that pack of bullshit you posted, your just trying to make excuses because a) you do not like lolicon and b) because you are ignorant."
>their
>posting as if you have any knowledge on the subject
go away