Japanese men quizzed on which of the prevailing female beliefs about men’s romantic attitudes to women they consider to be wholly misguided provide a ranking of the most egregiously wrong.
1. Men just love a good layer of makeup on a woman
2. Men like skinny women
3. Men like women with big breasts
4. Men love women who are self-indulgent
5. Men adore the scent of perfume
6. Men are great fans of frilly/lacy clothing
7. Men just can’t see through a woman acting cute [“burikko”]
8. Men don’t like women who exhibit a healthy appetite
9. Men always love young women
10. Men don’t say “I love you” because they don’t really love you
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i love breast's so dont get me started!!
DFC, why u not at the top yo?
I guess #9 is the indirect way to say that...? But yea, that's still too low yo.
6. Men are great fans of frilly/lacy clothing
Naturally, ZUN (godly-awesome, uber-drunken, lolicon, musician and creator of Touhou Project and all his 'daughters') is on the top of the list...
8. Men don’t like women who exhibit a healthy appetite
As long as she ain't Whitney Houston anorexic or a fat-ass sumo wrestler, she is healthy enough...
Then again, how about healthy 'below' there...That's another story...
I think that the term healthy appetite refers to being physically fit (within their weight index). Anorexia is not within a woman's (or a man's for that matter) weight index.
@The Kiss
Ah, thanks for clearing that~
I was too busy looking back and forth at the questions and that Hanasuka Iroha waki OP picture that I read #8 wrong...
I'm pretty sure a healthy appetite just means that when a woman goes to a restaurant, she'll order from the entree menu and actually finish it, instead of eating half of a salad and trying her hardest to skip dessert. The keyword is "appetite," which you two seem to have misconstrued for "figure." It's a plus if she has both, though, especially for her health's sake.
With the oversized portions they serve in American restaurants I sure as hell hope she doesn't finish a whole entree AND dessert!
Nah I saw #3 as that, I actually prefer breasts in proportion to body type/size or whatever the proper term is for it.
Short girls with small breasts are to me, hotter than the well endowed ones.
I guess I;m just the type to for the overall look instead of just that one body part on a woman.
Oh and btw, I'm a leg-man. Dunno if that's the proper term but that's what I call it XD
lol at #10
About #10...those are pretty powerful words. How far into a relationship does a woman want to go before hearing that? If too early it's obviously bullshit and if you wait too long then they get pissy. And no matter which way you go you are liable to incur their wrath after you say it due to their romantic expectations being impossible to live up to. Older woman are most likely the way to go and that's a real shame for obvious reasons.
i agree with 10, men are honest, and don't lie. while women tell everything as if they truly believed it.
Not saying anything isn't lying
just say you love them when you love them rather then waiting cause you think its bad or saying it early cause they want to how hard is that?
Yet it is so true. A relationships of mine broke 'cause of this. She sad "You never sad that you love me!" and I answered "Yeah, 'cause the word 'love' is just bullshit. I want to hold you tight, want you always by my side. I want to support you and be there for you." she sad then "So, do you love me then?" and I sad "I won't use a word with such a weak and subjective meaning like 'love'". She ran away saying she hates me. we broke up 'cause of this.
One week later she had a new boyfriend ...
Oh you did not say that unless you planned it out before hand. That's so stagey and fake sounding. Seriously, did you just pull that from an anime?
Of course it is taken from some anime. Only in his wildest dreams would he have been in that situation, and even if he had been then he's an idiot.
Wow all that breakup (if it happened) could have been avoided if u just freaking said I love you.. Idiot
Obviously that would ba a (one-sided) summary of what actually happened. But this situation is somewhat predictable with the right thought patterns, and if he's anything like me he could have thought about that sort of things and have that kind of answers more or less built in mind to answer.
I'd never do that, though (unless I'd want to hurt the girl, which I wonder why I would). While it is sometimes sexy to have brains and to be rational, this is clearly a situation where it is not. The girl does not want a philosophical discussion about the meaning of the word "love," she wants her partner to embrace the meaning she's attaching to it right now, and her partner to feel "love" for her according to such meaning. And she would have settled for just pretending by saying it. Sometimes just give people what they want is the reasonable thing to do.
It's at the top of that other list, "Top 10 Female Beliefs Lolicons Know To Be Wrong"
So true.
Natural is always better.
men THINK they like natural better but everytime I don't wear makeup all the guys at work ask me if I'm feeling ok and tell me I look really tired.
I think what's best is MINIMAL makeup, light coverage to make your skintone even and to hide dark circles. It barely takes any makeup to do this, but a lot of ladies are so worried about their "bad skin" that they put on more than necessary.
^ Exactly anonymous!
And seriously guys on 2ch, you've seen the power on makeup with various articles around here and I can't believe you still believe that natural is better. There aren't a lot of women who can pull off the natural look.
Most of you wouldn't even look at these girls if they didn't wear makeup, because makeup transforms them completely.
Yeah...
A natural look, I mean.
#3 should rather be "men ONLY like women with big breasts".
It isn't as if big tits are actually widely considered a turn-off, like a fake cute act is.
3. Men like women with big breasts
9. Men always love young women
3rd,9th? I dont get this list..
Enter, Usa Mimi and Popura!
yeah if you can find a short girl with big breasts that aren't TOO big and look reat on her, then you got a keeper.
Otherwise DFC it and at that point You're in heaven instead of marshmallow hell XD
Me neither.
"9 out of 10 guys like big breasts. The 10th guy likes the other 9."
lol, completely false, b cup is as big as they need to be, even a cups are fine. only because you have a busty fetish, dont group other men with yourself. Only an american would call other people gay because they dont agree with his preference.... damn barbarians....
Where you around a few days ago when Japanese Miku fans were bitching to high heaven about the portrayal of their favorite non-character in car ads?
Yeah, too bad I'm not american.
And FYI it's a comical affirmation. Unnecessary to say that the sexual preference do not influence on the preference of woman's breast size.
Btw nice xenophobia and lack of sense of humor there.
amen @ anon 05:13
jajajajaj agree
Those are proven to be true. Psychologically the majority of males are inclined to like younger big breasted women because it shows they are suitable for raising kids.
Yup, it's the truth and many are in denial about it because of heavy Christian influence in the west. Nobody seems to recognize that genetic memory does have some effect. If we've had generations of people fearing sex as unnatural and evil in our histories, then we have in fact grown up with altered beliefs. The Original Sin concept and women tempting men as the devil's work has hounded us unconsciously for years, and frankly I think that is partially what's involved in causing certain forms of sex to be deified, while most others turned into evil or somehow mentally wrong.
There are scenarios of course where fetishes are birthed from psychological traumas or just events in one's life, but even if they discover that trauma and rectify it, the fetish still works on the sexual mind. It's not like fear where we become more confident and less afraid once we find the source of trauma. Sex is still sex no matter what we think, the fetish just becomes more under our control once we know its source. You don't lose fetishes, you expand your repertoire. The only people who actually have a mental issue with sex are the people who only like a single kind.
I have a big breast fetish because i was never breast feed as a child. Your life effects your sexual desires, i was born lactose intolerant and now i love women with large breasts.
It's not the heavy Christian influence. Heavy Christian influence was around the time of Romeo and Juliet too... they got married at 13!
It's the women sleeping around that want a fallback guy, who say that men going after younger women is wrong.
If the goods don't meet market standards, outlaw alternatives... that's protectionism.
Just take a look at the age of consent at Vatican city
Btw its 12 years old
I'm not sure what breast size has to do with raising kids, but ok.
I also wouldn't agree that a teen is more suitable for raising kids than someone in their 20s or 30s. Clearly the older woman has more experience which in most cases leads to better parenting. And from a natural pov the older woman has shown survival of the fittest. A younger woman hasn't.
> I'm not sure what breast size has to do with raising kids
Nothing, but the male's brain pattern recognition wires this vision with this idea as a reflex. Pretty much the same thing as wanting to punch someone you disagree with. It is unlikely that eliminating the disagreer will ever solve anything, yet we want to as a reflex.
> And from a natural pov the older woman has shown survival of the fittest. A younger woman hasn't.
Natural pov is the only one that matters in this discussion. And nature doesn't care the woman managed to survive longest, nature wants the species, in this case the foels, to be the healthiest. It so happens that it usually comes shortly after fertility.
Life is unfair, yes, I know.
They prefer what they were taught to, they grew on Pamela Anderson films and big tits advertisement from Holywoot and America.
It's saying these are WRONG. thus the whole premise of the survey. aka, Men don't always like big breats and dont always love young women
your avatar soy diferent bigest boobs en A Chanel anime
"Men are great fans of frilly/lacy clothing"
Argghh, that hit me right on the exact weak spot...
If a girl dresses "like a girl" she has my undivided attention because it's so rare. It doesn't have to be frilly and fancy, but if a girl actually wears a dress? Wow, it's attractive and even exotic.
"No, dude, I don't think your jeans look hot - I think they look like the other 99% of girls, or guys."
Dude?
I think I've figured out your issue with jeans...
Agreed, any girl who wears a dress for once will get a lot of my attention.
I'll be sure to never wear a dress again if it will keep Sankaku guys from looking at me.
Unfortunately the same applies to quite a range of very decent guys.
Predators likely won't care what you wear, as long as your general figure predicts you will look good with no wear at all. If you wish for them, fine, then.
Unless the guy you were attracted to, you later found out he was a Sankaku guy... then you'd excuse that.
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Unless the guy you were attracted to, you later found out he was a Sankaku guy... then you'd excuse that.
( ´_ゝ｀) oh... okay then I must be an ugly ham beast then. When I wore a dress out for fun nobody noticed me expect my friends who liked my dress.
Frills And Laces = <3
probably you wont be attractive enough for a sankaku guy, so don't worry
indeed a girl in a one piece dress is perfection
I am nearly 18 and I have yet to encounter a girl in an one piece dress, let alone a not-slutty skirt.
Gal types are just too rare.
couple that with a simple summer hat and I can now die happy.
There is just too many Tomboyish girls nowadays
My girlfriend always wears dresses, and it is a blessing! She also carries a parasol in the sun. I think it's cute and extra info, She is from Okinawa Japan!
I choose my girlfriends clothes ,
Usually indoors she changes into bras that looks like car fur and panties that look like car fur with a tail , Cat ears on the head and a collar
outdoors its a one piece dress with a straw hat .
unfortunately dresses are impractical,
If I were to ahve a girlfriend, I'd like one that wears nice, modest dresses. Jeans just aren't attractive. I hate wearing jeans myself as a guy.
Lace will always do it for me at least 90% o the time.
A summer dress? Done, i rarely see those nowadays, sign me up XD
I see lots of women wearing dresses in my university. Glad they're not influenced much by the culture of "Jeans" all the time which is boring :/ seriously.
Men are so fucking stupid.
Dresses and skirts aren't as comfortable or practical as jeans in most everyday situations. It's not about a "culture of jeans."
Only men come up with this stupid shit. It's like the bag-strap thread all over again.
@13:13
FFS, read before you speak.
They are talking about their preferences in womens clothing, not saying "dresses and skirts are all around better for everyone".
As in most things, what's practical isn't always what people like. Stop jumping everyone who doesn't prefer what you find comfortable. What you wear is your choice, doesn't mean everyone has to choose it too.
i love tight jeans on women, u can fully appreciate a great ass.
Always a women to piss over shit and kill the party
@13:13
Guessing that you are a women who have a tomboyish attitude?
"Dresses and skirts aren't as comfortable or practical as jeans in most everyday situations"
Might be true, but also that for now is only your own opinion. If you when and ask those who wear dresses and skirts...I wonder if they end up saying otherwise.
And also, try to understand "Glad they're not influenced much by the culture of "Jeans"" a little better.
He only referring girls who are like you, who worn jeans all the time, which now its kinda boring to see. A little change of pace to into the dresses and skirt era aren't quite so bad to see. As I can see it, girls look lovely in them. That's that..nuff said.
I'm a girl who love frilly dresses and skirts (the cute ones, not the gothic ones.) but I never wear them because people think i'm crazy or something, it's a culture of jeans.. :<
sadly the only lacy clothing i have are underwear.. does that count?
Often good looking clothing isn't as practical, 13:13.
I don't like suits - they make me feel like a personality-less corporate drone, some generic dude, stuffy, etc, and on top of that, I'm afraid to DO anything in one in case I stain, rip, or even crease it. That said, a girl I know swears a man in a well cut suit looks sharp and hot. So if I were dressing to impress girls, I'd be more likely to wear a suit than jogging pants and a t-shirt.
So by the same token, men aren't "so fucking stupid" for liking girls in dresses - we like them because they look good. Of course it's not as practical as jeans, but chances are if you're in jeans, you won't even get a second glance, so you have to weigh the pros and cons.
I want to see Frill Lingerie not Dress
@13:13 The only one here who's "fucking stupid" is you, brat.
FYI I'm a woman who likes skirts and dresses because they're fuckloads more comfortable and practical than stupid jeans.
(AND there's the bonus that people don't stare as much at your ass in a dress as when wearing jeans. No camel toe worries either, and you feel comfy and airy rather than all dying of heat and compressed in.)
So there, brat.
Number 1 Reason Why I play Artificial Girl 3 more then sims 3 , I just love to customize my own Frilly / lacy clothes on the girls .
@05:11
number 2 more personality options
number 3 you can male awesome loli characters
number 4 so many hair options and customizable
hairs
number 5. The way Relationships work is way better then sims were all you have to do is talk nonstop to make someone fall in love
I grew up in Alaska, so you can imagine the effect such dresses had on me the first time I went someplace where girls wore dresses.
Where I am its Jeans all the time and everyone X_X
Its annoying being the only one who doesn t wear jeans though XD
well mine is the opposite
men like naked women.. thos with some exceptions,like the 2d naked ones lol
In what world does men like naked women?...
Clothing was invented for a reason.
Do you have sex with the lights out? Or do you like to dry hump?
Clothes were invented because it gets cold out.
Invented ti allow you to play strip poker, to fulfill your fetishes, to have fun foreplay of stripping your couple piece by piece and sorta stuff to. I see what you did there.
So nobody male is a fan of goth lolis? Blasphemy!
Reality check here. Most guys just put up with the goth look because it is a loli wearing it. The goth part is optional...
Yeah, the goth thing is pretty lame in my opinion.
Only works on loli or if there if there is no makeup and everything is just natural.
Only goth GURO lolis, which is why Franken Fran is so awesome.
What's wrong with frilly? If anything, it's not like most people will meet girls with frilly clothes anymore. Only the truly courageous and fashion savvy girls can pull off a frilly look when everybody would just wear t-shirts and jeans like the guys nowadays.
As for the comfort level, skirts can be way more freeing in terms of feel. It is only 'uncomfortable' in the way that it may prove too titillating wearing it in public if one isn't in the mood to (since it's such a rare attire choice, skirts). Wearing jeans and going public? Anybody can do that.
Depending on the kind of skirt they can be restrictive, and annoying when you do any kind of physical activity. I always wear leggings/pants under skirts; how the hell are you supposed to run/ride a bike/sit down in a comfortable position without flashing your panties?
I also hate the feeling of bare thighs rubbing together under a skirt. It's just sweaty and sticky and uncomfortable. Without at least tights I would go mad.
Why not? Panties are cute.
No Lacy clothing?! What's wrong with women over there?! Are they insane?! If only the women dressed up that cutely over here... Got to get a foreign chick to even see a dress/skirt around here...