2ch is in uproar after the publication of an article which alleges the type of man Japanese women find most undesirable are none other than the extreme rightists of 2ch.
We decided to survey local women, asking them to identify “the men you’ve seen online who you would absolutely not want to date.” Right at the top was “net-uyo.”
[“Net-uyo” – Internet slang for “net-rightwingers,” a vocal and largely 2ch-based population of ultra-rightists who generally seek to blame all of Japan’s ills on foreigners, and Koreans and Chinese in particular.]
The term “Net-uyo” is disparagingly used to identify the net right, who operate solely on the Internet making baseless and irrational attacks on China and Korea. It generally excludes those who have actual reasons for criticising these nations, and who do not rely solely on the Internet to do so.
Below are some of the reasons the women asked considered net-uyo to be creepy:
“They don’t work but on 2ch they are suddenly fully fledged members of society.”
“They call anyone who likes Korea a traitor – I wish they’d realise the only traitors around are jobless losers like them.”
“I don’t think they’ve noticed they are on the same level as all the Chinese and Koreans who bash Japanese for no reason.”
“They are petty and gutless people who only judge people by race.”
“The kind of people who take pride only in being Japanese are really creepy.”
“I wouldn’t want to be seen with the kind of people who spout accusations of propaganda everytime there is something about Korea on TV.”
“If you actually say ‘chon’ [racist term for Koreans] and ‘busayo’ [insulting 2ch term for leftists] in real life anyone would recoil…”
As the net-uyo only make their bold proclamations online, it appears they are mainly considered unemployed or people who have trouble with communication.
It should be noted that the perception that 2ch’s various crazy sub-strata are compromised of jobless NEETs is as baseless as 2ch’s theories about race – although otherwise such assessments seem fair.
The article soon incited tens of thousands of posts from 2ch itself, most of which either jeered the net-uyo or, as if to prove the article’s point, denounced it as a Korean plot to discredit them.
However, as one of the writers on the site in question actually identifies himself not only as Korean but also a former “intelligence researcher,” and the article itself is credited to “Yamato Nadeshiko,” it is not hard to see from where they derive such suspicions.
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Yes im not, because i am a boy
what is this? I don't even...
Yes, We can!
Another internet war with 2ch...
actually im sad there arent any sancon vs 2ch posts anymore. cant we do sth to start a new war of words?
maybe...if someone actually wants to start one
We could just wait till one of the news articles pisses them off, it's going to happen eventually.
What subject should be used this time to piss them off like always?
about the truth behind hairy foreigner?
@torappu,y'know,almost ANYTHING pisses them?
The truth about hairy foreigners behinds
Bash K-ON or somthing say that it looks korean
Please don't do that. Sankaku's posters are full of retards. It would bring shame to the rest of the english-speaking internet populace.
Same goes for 2ch, duh.
No it wouldnt, you know, the "english" part.
Wut engrish?
Leftists, rightists... doesn't matter. All Japanese political groups are spineless anyway.
remove the word "Japanese" and it still makes sense
Well, I can't even FATHOM trying to date anyone who hangs around their political beliefs so far that it becomes a toxic, polarizing, militant kind of a lifestyle. I can say that much. Same with people who take religion and philosophy too far.
I'm rather surprised that Rightists still exist.
The age of war and racial purity is over, boundaries shift and countries rises and falls, nothing is the same everyday.
Acceptance and unity of different races should be achieved instead of discrimination. Chinese, Koreans, Japanese or anyone should be united to achieve peace and stability in Asia.
>Acceptance and unity of different races should be achieved instead of discrimination. Chinese, Koreans, Japanese or anyone should be united to achieve peace and stability in Asia.
Not, it shouldn't.
We're all different people with different values.
And that's an OK.
Japan's culture is unique and wonderful, because they are not allowing it to become tainted by foreign influences on a larger scale, unlike other nations did.
Think about it: Why do we love Japan ?
I hope you'll come to the conclusion that melting everything in a pot by allowing others to have an impact on you is not the right thing for Japan. The isolation just worked best.
And even those woman on the streets probably think the same.
Japan having its own culture is fine. What's not fine is advocating that other nations are somehow inferior or that foreign citizens are somehow inferior as well. We know fully the kind of shit Japan went though for believing in that garbage. It hurt Japan so much more than expected.
"I hope you'll come to the conclusion that melting everything in a pot by allowing others to have an impact on you is not the right thing for Japan. The isolation just worked best."
Historically that's not true though. The Dutch had an extremely important role of bringing Japan to the 'modern' era hundreds of years ago. Plus Japan itself wanted to mature and bring itself up to modernity by basically copying every European and American lifestyle aspects and adapting it.
As for immigrants, it's fine that they try to control it a bit. What's not fine is saying that somehow it'll 'dirty' the Japanese identity. That just reeks of imperialistic attitude to me. That said, there's a lot of weird fringe issues such as Brazilian workers being used illegally/semi-legally as well. Pretty much like what Mexican workers are to America. There's a lot of vague, exploitative crap that is happening in regard to immigration. If I had to say, it's soiling Japan the way discrimination is a national policy.
>As for immigrants, it's fine that they try to control it a bit. What's not fine is saying that somehow it'll 'dirty' the Japanese identity. That just reeks of imperialistic attitude to me.
Too bad I KNOW exactly what Im talking about.
And you obviously don't understand. Maybe you're young or something.
Do you even know what the term 'imperialistic means ?
It's the exact opposite of what i want. Imperialistic means to influence other nations in one way or the other.
And now to my point:
I live in Germany and can fully experience what immigration of culture and people can do to a country.
Most of our immigrants come from Turkey and have an islamic background. And they already force their culture on us and destroy our own.
But they'll call you 'racist' or Nazi' and using our past to force you to shut your mouth.
Im ot going into details now ... let's instead make a japanese example.
We all know that feminism isn't that big of thing there. The japanese also keep quiet about enjo-kosai, lolicon, homosexuality and similiar things. Their culture doesn't allow them to talk about many things openly. That is how their society works and why they can tolerate what we couldn't.
Now let's say they let 1 million americans in. And they have the same rights as japanese.
What will they do ?
Even if only a few of them go demonstrate about 'feminism', 'ero-manga/games', 'lolicon' etc. and going on in talkshows about those 'problems' they would force the japanese to take action, so they won't lose their face. Because this is how japanese work. Just remember how alicesoft and illusion putted down their sites after the rapelay debacle.
I for one am happy with Japan as how it is.
Isolate your culture from foreign influences does not mean rejecting everything new as you imply.
Um. I may be young, but at least I lived in Japan and know change is afoot.
I do kind of agree with the situation of Europe being 'invaded' by the more hardcore Islamic influences. As sad as it is to say, some aspects of harsher Muslim law is a bit invasive. That I can agree. It's an unfortunate situation but I think you're underestimating the hypocrisy of Japanese immigration laws (especially in regarding 'cheap labor' like the Brazilian population in Japan) and just the general imperialistic attitude.
And by imperialistic, I'm talking about the Imperial Japan way of thinking specifically. That entry to the nation means on some cultural level, Japanese are a superior 'race' of sorts. But as time goes by, that kind of thinking is going by the wayside. If anyone is receptive towards learning Japanese language and its culture, they will get the chance at a life in Japan. It's just the hypernationalistic fringe that is putting on a nasty front for racial overtones in the immigration situation in Japan. It's nothing like that Muslim/Europe situation.
I don't think you really are estimating just how similar the Eastern Asian cultures can be though. Especially in regard to Korea, the cultures are almost IDENTICAL. And in fact, a vast swath of Japanese population probably has had intermingling of Korean blood through thousands of years of close interaction (the supposed 'closed harbor' of Japan is a myth. They at least had close contact with Korea if nobody else. They even interacted with China straight through Korean monks and ambassadors and traders).
"We all know that feminism isn't that big of thing there. The japanese also keep quiet about enjo-kosai, lolicon, homosexuality and similiar things. Their culture doesn't allow them to talk about many things openly. That is how their society works and why they can tolerate what we couldn't."
I do agree on some levels that they aren't too openly talked about, but I do feel the wind is shifting. More youngsters are more world weary and more open towards more open dialog of those ideas and it's usually the adults and older generations keeping mum about such taboo topics.
As for feminism, it is not quite there yet but that is slowly and surely changing as well. Again, I don't see how an advanced culture will sit idly by and let some antiquated cultural fossil like cultural chauvinism survive. It isn't. More and more women in Japan are being independent. Cultural stigma is one thing, but change is happening. Though not in some overtly violent way or anything.
>As for feminism, it is not quite there yet but that is slowly and surely changing as well.
I can totally accept changes in a society.
If the japanese want feminism, so be it. As long as a change comes from within their society.
It's a different matter though to import people with other cultural backgrounds which change a country more aggressively.
And the problem with moslems in our country goes much deeper in my opinion. It's not just about fundamentalists.
Guess I'll take a last example from my own country, to point out what i wanna say.
Back then in the day, Germany had a big thing for naturalism. This began during the time of the nationalists but had it's absolute peak in the DDR (east Germany).
Naturalism was widely accepted and could still be. In difference to other countries there would be public places to go to and not just 'isolated' naturalist beaches. Of course there have always been conservatives and christians that doesn't want that. But it'd still remain and be widely accepted and practised.
And in East Germany it still is accepted in some places.
Now, since we've taken millions of immigrants in, they've changed our society. They don't need to be 'extremists', since they already are different then us. They don't want naturalism and many other things in our society. And thus, fight it, instead of assimilating themselves.
This is how things work usually.
Moslems don't have naturalism in their countries. So it's normal for them to oppose it. And this is why they don't belong here.
>Not, it shouldn't.
We're all different people with different values.
There's a difference between having different views/values and discrimination based on some prejudice. And latter is NOT okay, it's immature, narrow-minded and stymies the evolution of society as a whole.
> Japan's culture is unique and wonderful, because they are not allowing it to become tainted by foreign influences on a larger scale, unlike other nations did.
Yes it's unique, but you're wrong about it not being influenced by foreign cultures. You need re-read you're Japanese history, specifically the Meiji restoration. The Japanese had to learn Western practices in order to prevent being subjugated by the west.
>The isolation just worked best.
It won't work forever; existing in a vacuum leads to stagnation, or worse subjugation by a foreign entity. Civilizations must evolve or risk falling and being left behind by history. The Japanese leaders of the 19th century knew this.
So what you're trying to tell us is that you're a xenophobe.
I find this attempt to forcefully preserve a culture to be arbitrary and stupid. Japanese culture or any other culture for that matter wouldn't be what it is today if they didn't allow it to evolve and progress the way it has. It is simply stupid to decide that the way some culture is now is the way it should always be.
And with a comment as naive as that, you've clearly never visited Japan. Or China for that matter.
PROTIP: Americans and (not nearly as much) Europeans are LIGHT YEARS ahead of most asian countries in tolerance for foreign cultures, because despite the surface of racism- America is a country MADE by immigrants, and Europeans have had colonial influences for generations, and now direct immigration for the last 40-50 years.. most Asian countries have NEVER had this.
No, it's because people have been brainwashed by Jews. This nation was a country of WHITE immigrants.
Direct immigration will destroy this country and make it into something else.
Oh yes, the proverbial "brainwashed by Jews" line, yeah white people are the greatest thing since hentai and everything they touch turns to gold and we would all know this if it wasn't for the jews....hey do you know the old japanese folklore tale? It was said that if you make a wish right before you blow a load it will cum true, so the next time you fap to a david duke video aim your cock upwards so that your jiz hits your chin and I bet your ideal white world will come true.
remember japanese insular identity, they don't think the same way americans (who came by boat.. ) and europeans ( who could always mix pretty easily) their concept of the outsider is much stronger
Not to mention the fact that they were practically torn from that 200 years of self imposed isolation looking down the barrels of cannon.
That would make me very distrustful of foreigners also.
the only reason the rightists avoided a bullet from me was my stuff sgt yeah that penis brain was this close to having a bullet to his fucking penis
You've never seen Fox news, have you?
You're a fucking idiot. You spineless fucks are causing the decline of our nations. You think the Chinese want to unify?
Fuck you and your sappy naive garbage.
China wants to unify. but only inder their banner.
While in 4ch most of them have jobs
You must have missed the daily "Why don't you have a job?/girlfriend?" threads.
the only way to prove it is using statictic
Well, is truth though.
Oh this is just "hillarious"!
Excellet ubber trolling of 2ch, congrats Arte!!
^_^
The internets: It is srsbsns.
"I don’t think they’ve noticed they are on the same level as 'all' the Chinese and Koreans who bash Japanese for no reason"
that 'all' in the statement just make them a hater too
Except it was written in Japanese and the "all" wouldn't likely apply there. >.>;
nelson pointing at 2ch: "Ha-haw!"
"All" of them being these Chinese and Koreans who bash Japanese for no reason. How do I english.
Living is enough work as it is.
Um, you can quit anytime. Don't worry, no one will miss you anyways.
Who cares if they're suspicious, they're always suspicious. Most of the translations we've seen from 2ch are obviously racist. I WANT MORE ARTICLES WHICH POINT OUT THEIR FLAWS.
"The term “Net-uyo” is disparagingly used to identify the net right, who operate solely on the Internet making baseless and irrational attacks on China and Korea."
So, basically, what Artefact does.
I think Artefact actually makes money. Unlike those filthy Net-uyo.
is that true
just look at the ad
Don't forget the inordinate amount of Aya Hirano "coverage".
Amen.