USA: “Bin Laden = Admiral Yamamoto”

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America’s attorney general has angered many Japanese by comparing the killing of Osama Bin Laden to its WWII assassination of Japanese national hero and Pearl Harbor planner Admiral Yamamoto.

In the case of Bin Laden’s killing, the circumstances are still murky – accounts conflict and are shrouded in secrecy, but they tend to agree that a team of US Navy Seals assaulted Bin Laden’s hideout without the knowledge of the Pakistani government, and proceeded to kill (or spirit away secretly) everyone in the compound, most importantly an unarmed but “resisting” Bin Laden.

His body was then secretly buried at sea, with forensic evidence and photographs of his corpse kept under wraps.

Critics of the legality of Bin Laden’s killing liken it to an extra-judicial assassination or execution, and accuse the US government of either making no effort to capture and bring to trial the terrorist, or of deliberately setting out only to eliminate him.

Such criticisms have been voiced by a variety of notables, ranging from the Archbishop of Canterbury to a German former head of state, as well as the expected slew of human rights lawyers.

Whilst it seems likely the vast majority considers his killing thoroughly justified irrespective of what a bunch of lily-livered lawyers say, the US is at least ostensibly a nation of laws and so America’s top cop, Attorney General Eric Holder, is at pains to offer a legal justification for the killing anyway:

“He was the head of al Qaeda, an organisation that had conducted the attacks of September the 11th.

The operation against bin Laden was justified as an act of national self-defence.

It’s lawful to target an enemy commander in the field. We did so, for instance, with regard to Yamamoto in World War II, when he was shot down in a plane.”

He rather spoils the pretense by arguing that the team would be justified in killing him even if he did try to surrender, however:

“There would be a good basis on the part of those very brave Navy SEAL team members to do what they did in order to protect themselves and the other people who were in that building.”

Since he would in any case have certainly been executed after a trial, the end result would likely have been the same, but the unfortunate if accurate image of the US government as a body which freely orders assassinations and torture in pursuit of its interests might have been lessened.

However, the mention of Yamamoto’s assassination quickly inflamed many Japanese – he is one of the few wartime Japanese leaders to retain any standing, having been killed in an actual battle rather than at his own hands or those of an American executioner, and prior to any catastrophic defeat.

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto was a WWII admiral largely responsible for planning the Japanese sneak attack on Pearl Harbor, who, despite being familiar with the US and considering victory against them an impossibility, went along with the leadership anyway, in the best Japanese traditions of blind obedience whilst engaged in a pointless endeavour.

He was later killed in the air by a US Air Force assassination operation (“Operation Vengeance”) specifically ordered by President Roosevelt.

Comparing the killing of a terrorist to that of Japan’s most feted admiral is evidently too much for some:

“Why can’t America get over Pearl Harbor? They destroyed the Imperial Japanese Navy and burnt hundreds of thousands of civilians, that should be enough. But they still aren’t satisfied?”

“This is what the top US lawyer says about it? America is looking more and more like Nazi Germany these days…”

“Just come out and say ‘everything America does is right’!”

“The US is killing innocents itself!”

“The great post-war butcher nations – America, China, USSR, Cambodia, Yugoslavia, Uganda, Somalia, Rwanda.”

“The glorification of Yamamoto is a bit much. He may have been against the war, but he was more a politician than a commander, an opportunist bureaucrat. You wouldn’t like him.”

“And they gave Obama the Nobel Prize.”

“So wasn’t 9/11 legal as well then?”

“Comparing Yamamoto and Bin Laden is taking things a bit far.”

“It might have been legal to kill Yamamoto, but for Laden it probably was not. For the US army to just secretly go into Pakistan and kill someone is hardly respecting their sovereignty.”

“You dumb yanks are getting ahead of yourselves. A terrorist and an imperial military commander are two totally different things.”

“I get what they are saying but there is no need to pick a fight with Japan.”

“Does anyone still believe the US government didn’t know about Pearl Harbor beforehand?”

“If you’re just going to execute unarmed men through trials anyway I don’t see much difference.”

“The ones who called it that were the Japanese government. There’s no way they really think of us as friends.”

“And America nuked and firebombed hundreds of thousands of civilians and that is right! Well, if you are the victors you can say what you like.”

“Comparing some spineless idiot of a general to Bin Laden is OK I suppose.”

“You guys are way off. Killing Bin Laden like that probably is illegal, but it’s only natural for them to have killed Yamamoto.”

“He was reconnoitring the front, of course he should expect risk there.”

“Just once I’d like to see those damn yanks have their cities bombed. Keep at it Al-Qaeda.”

“They don’t even mean it as an insult, the fact that they just come out and say that just shows how much contempt they have for Japan.”

“Doesn’t that excuse justify all acts of revenge though?”

“This is all the fault of those dirty Koreans enlisting American support.”

“It’s not like all Americans think this, what are you idiots on about?”

“Maybe we shouldn’t say this in front of the Americans, but amongst Japanese blaming them seems OK.”

“This isn’t just some American guy, this is their attorney general saying this.”

“Al-Qaeda are the proper successors to the Kamikaze special units!”

“It’s good that they killed Bin Laden. It’s the obvious thing to do. They should just come out and say they set out to kill him and stop all this rambling legal crap about Yamamoto.”

“The USA goaded Japan into attacking it by leaving Pearl Harbor open to attack, so it could get into the war – that should be common knowledge.”

“They are picking a fight with Japan by comparing Yamamoto to him?”

“As if they are. Who picks a fight with domesticated animals?”

“If you look at America now, they are so powerful you’d have to prepared to do anything if you wanted to harm them.

Pearl Harbor was like that. They felt their only chance was to deliver a critical hit to a slumbering foe and then force them to the peace table while they had the advantage.”

“Even an American can tell that comparing a terrorist leader to the military commander of a nation with which you are at war is misguided at best.”

“This is harsh, and just after Operation Tomodachi too…”

“They just squandered all the goodwill from Tomodachi…”


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    Comment by Jozle
    10:48 06/05/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Yamamoto was opposed to WWII, due to the fact that he went to Harvard, he really didn't have a choice but to serve his country and made the attack. Osama is a whole nother story. His story was basicly revenge.

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    Comment by TFish
    13:52 06/05/2011 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    But that's not the point of the quote. It doesn't seem like people are getting that the comparison is just to say they were both in the field leading a war. There's no commentary at all on how the two lead their army or their personal beliefs, just that they were war time commanders and take the chance of being killed by being in their respective military.

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    Comment by Shippoyasha
    17:07 06/05/2011 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    I agree with that assessment. If anything, the original usurpers of the government, the military coup enablers and those advising the emperor (and even the Emperor himself, despite all the Japanese apologists saying he was totally innocent) are probably more worthy targets of vengeance.

    Also, it's not 'just Pearl Harbor'. That's what the hypernationalists would want people to believe. It's the whole freaking 40+ years of subjugation, destruction and rape of dozens of nations leading up to that Pearl Harbor attack. It's that whole violent cycle and that violent culture that fostered it.

    I hate to say this, but they really got what was coming. And it's really sad that Japanese citizens were killed by hundreds of thousands, but that's not even accounting for the badly mistreated POWs killed by the Empire and the countless millions of civilians in 'lesser' nations at the time. Worst being the inhuman slaughter in Phillipines and Manchuria. Possibly worse than even the way Nazis hunted the Jews since the attacks on civilians by the Empire was indiscriminate.

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    Comment by Shippoyasha
    21:00 06/05/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    I actually agree. It was an ugly time at the early 1900's with all the colonialism and all that (America and Europe was part of the problem), but the fascist uprisings were way too extreme, way too anti-humanist, way too.... well, EVIL.

    And it's shocking how I find some fellow Japanese still think we had the right to kill off 'inferior' Asians and all foreigners. I'm glad Japan has more of a pacifistic streak than an insane, murderous fascist streak.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:15 07/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    The only country that is still communist because of America is North Korea and that is only a guess b/c all the others have for the most part stopped being communist

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    Comment by TFish
    03:05 07/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    There's no point in arguing if any act of war was "Right" or "Wrong". At the end of the day, no matter the circumstances; it's one human being slaughtering another human being, and the taking of human life is always unjustified.

    Would the world be better off without some people? Sure it would. It would be insane to find a way to disagree with that notion. But really, whoever the main bad guy is in the world at any given time. Look back into their past and I am willing to bet 9 times out of 10 they themselves are just lashing back because of a previous wrong doing done to them.

    There's a cycle of hate in the world, killing just begins more killing. People kill each other because some ancient book says they each are supposed to own a patch of sand. There's no sense in any violence, and until there's a way to break the cycle. There will always be war, and war is always bad.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:14 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    The US military has also raped thousands and murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people, if not more.

    By your logic the attack on the towers was also deserved by the US.

    Lots of innocent people dying to pay for the wrongs of others.

    Bravo on the twisted logic.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:34 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Those idiots should thank america every time they see oppai in anime

    They're too stupid to realize that ishihara wouldn't be the exception, he'd be the norm if japan was still an empire

    Imagine a nation of ishiharas hellbent on killing all happiness and joy in the world

    They should thank america

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:27 07/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    "If it wasn't for America, China, Vietnam, and Korea wouldn't be Communist."

    How the hell can you say that? If it wasn't for America all of Asia would be Communist and let's not forget Europe and the middle east as well. Go look up a history book!

    Look no country is perfect, but the world complains about America acting as the world police. We don't want to be the world police but the UN is useless and other countries other than Britain don't want to get involved and it forces our hand. Do you want countries like North Korea, Iran, Iraq (pre war) having WMPs?

    Let's not forget that WWll could have easily been prevented but Europe was too cowardly to stop Hitler when we knew all about his ideals and breaking the treaty of Versailles.

    The Attorney General shouldn't obviously made that statement. It was careless. As for bin Laden being killed, some people deserve to die and he is one of them. There is evil in this world and he was one of them.

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    Comment by erochichi
    00:10 07/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nice to read a comment from somebody who really can history. The rise of Japanese militarism probably got power from victory against Russia in 1905. Racist ideas amongst military we`re strengthened which led to atrocities like in Nanking etc. Japanese military saw themselves as superior race, destined to rule all Asia, including Russia in later stage.
    I love Japan, but not it`s criminals, like ruthless military or yakuza.

    Comment by Anonymous

    If it wasn't for America, China, Vietnam, and Korea wouldn't be Communist.

    Pearl Harbour was a military attack against military targets. Which totally justifies the mass murder of thousands of innocent civilians.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:44 08/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well in any case, Japan aren't accepting what they have done during the WWII as facts.Is a nation of that nature in any position to criticise the war behavior of others?We can always get over mistakes and move on, but not before accepting and learning from them.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:44 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Not only that, but he planned a legitimately military operation against a legitimately military target. That's a LITTLE different then turning several hundred civilians into unwilling missiles for the killing of several thousands more. :\

    Comment by Dark Mage
    14:41 06/05/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    This may offend some but it is the truth.

    Japan of WWII was a brutal regime and they did terrible things in all the places they invaded.

    The things the did in China,Korea, and the Philippines were on par with Germany's actions in WWII.

    Fortunately that Japan was destroyed and new peaceful Japan took it's place.

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    Comment by erochichi
    00:16 07/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Negotiator has it right. Anon 18:39, you are clearly stupid.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:40 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Does Nanking ring any bells?

    Yes, we did nuke them but the emperor brainwashed the people into believed if we invaded, the marines would rape and pillage when in fact Japan did all that.

    Comment by Anonymous

    your clearly a jap

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:43 06/05/2011 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    You clearly have no understanding of what happened with Japan in WWII.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:34 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    USA's Attorny General is "Eric Holder" - He's a fuckin' Idiot!!!! No really.

    *He wanted to bring "Kalid shake Mohamad" to NYC for a Civilian Trial.

    *He selectively OVER-Looked video evidence & Testimony of the Blank Panther Party intimidating voters in Philadelphia

    *He used Tax Payers money to attack the Gov. of Arizona in court so she couldn't enforce a law (that was Passed in her State) that let the police check immigration status on people ALREADY accused of 'Other crimes'.

    Eric Holder is an IDIOT!! Not even a Punch-Line The Japanese should be LAUGHING at Mr. Holder for even comparing Yamamoto to a shitbag like Bin Laden. I would rather have Yamamoto as my Attorney General...and he's not even alive!

    Laugh it off Japan - He'll lose his post in 2012 with his Boss.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:38 12/07/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Do not compare honorable Admiral to barbarian terrorist.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:29 07/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Osama knows too much about US Secrets to Stay Alive.

    He worked with the US for many years and in fact the USA Sponsored him and their armies for many years from the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan till near the end of the war.

    In effect they started the chain that resulted in 9/11 and all the deaths at the World Trade Center.

    To leave him alive was not an option.

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    Comment by entropy13
    13:51 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yamamoto is still the "bad sort" if you get my meaning. He's opposed to it but still "following orders."

    Unlike some of the German officers (not "Nazi", they are not tied to the party but are officers of the German armed forces) who "follow orders" yet also consciously help Jews escape from German-occupied territory.

    Heck even the other "loyal" officers tried killing Hitler.

    Yamamoto? He just looked on meekly and did nothing but "follow."

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:08 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    IA. He was just enabling the regime. So he said he didn't like the attack on Pearl Harbour, so what. He still did it. Actions speak louder than words. He was only a dog following orders.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:20 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    in my view the japs look at all of us as dogs till today they dont respect any one but there dead fuck ass corps emperor god shit head

    Comment by Anonymous

    the following japs that commented are total ass wipes that complain but at the end are wrong all the time every time and why are they right now. During WW2 they rape and murdered people and i have seen chinese little girls have sticks up there pussys all done by japanese soldier. It seems the japs have no moral values at all so i conclude general fuck face or tojo is no better than Osama

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:05 06/05/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    For god sake. Rape happen in War, i assure u. Even from the U.S.A side i believe.

    It is just because one side won the war than they can just tell that they are the heroes and they did nothing wrong during the war while those who lose on the war will get all the blames.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:52 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Nothing comparable? I think Dresden is sort of up there.

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    Comment by torappu
    01:45 07/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    What are you saying? USA never did anything as horrible? I'm not saying this in a "they did worse than Japan, Japan is all okay!" way, but in a "of course it'll be harder to find out about America's atrocities, especially when they win a war, than Japan's atrocities as they have lost WWII for example" way.
    You won't learn much about what the victors have done in the background during times of battle, but that is no reason to assume that they were clean and only killed some civilians here and there.
    Japan did Nanking/Unit 731; short-term atrocity.
    USA did Agent Orange (Vietnam); people still suffer from it nowadays even though it happened decennials ago.
    In addition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_subject_research#United_States

    And my personal favorite example:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine%E2%80%93American_War [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine–American_War]

    Japan has learned (obviously due to being forced) to behave though after WWII. USA still enjoyed their power and have continued to fuck around even in this century.

    Every fucking country fucked around with innocent people, period. No reason to point fingers.
    Soviet Russia will stay nr1 for amount of its own people murdered in gulags though

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:06 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    The US did absolutely nothing comparable to what Japan did in Nanking in WWII. The US has definitely done some shitty stuff, but only crazy ultra-conservative Japanese nationalists believe that it's worse than Imperial Japan.

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    Comment by Japancrazie
    08:51 09/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol malaysian... Bad history. that is.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:17 07/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    The US bombings of Japan are not even comparable to what Japan did.

    US bombings killed 100,000 civilians.

    Japanese raids killed 10+ million Chinese civilians and soldiers.

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    Comment by caiooa
    03:06 07/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    "The US did absolutely nothing comparable to what Japan did in Nanking in WWII"
    yeah, outside of use nuckear nuckes in 2 civil cities, when pearl arbor was a military base. -_-"

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:32 07/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    And you guys believe Suddam Hussain had WMDs

    In wartime anything goes, I wouldn't be far surprised that Americans have torture and humiliated other people. There are true stories of brutal rape of other villagers and civilians back in the old day BECAUSE TECHNOLOGY WASN'T AS ADVANCED AS IT IS NOW.

    Nowadays if you get caught even raping/razing a village without permission you will be quickly up for court martial if it ever gets through the press. Like this article now, defending the killing.

    Oh we forgetting Gutamano Bay now are we?

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:18 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    agreed the japs have done alot of scary things nearly vomit after seeing what they did to malaysian ,chinese and koreans. they even use chinese people as test subjects for bio weapons seriously the japs a mental. you also wouldn't believe what they did to americans POWs

    Comment by SpectatorMode
    09:32 06/05/2011 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    Just what we need. More drama over the poorly-chosen words of one person

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    Comment by Keima88
    09:40 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yup thats true.

    Glad to see that some of the Japanese realise that. Its just a misunderstanding.

    The only thing he said was that both of them are enemy commanders. Not that they are the same kind of person.

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    Comment by TheBeast
    11:06 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    yamamoto just had a case of bad timing. a well laid plan with a wrench thrown in the gears. osama is an unprovoked killer of innocents with the element of intent. yamamoto did want to kill the americans, but he was going to do it by the book. the only difference between murder and manslaughter in america is the element of intent. osama intended on killing civilians and had no plan to announce it. yamamoto was going to declare war and it just so happened he was a bit late. so america reacted with above average retaliation. yamamoto deserved to die because he was the enemy, but osama deserved to die because he was a scorge on mankind, an abomination.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:44 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    +1
    That and the fact that it tends to lack evidence for the BS that's published.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:03 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm just waiting for the "Ishihara's Dick Seen in Smoke Cloud" articles to start popping up.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:12 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    It might be a little worse. Imagine if 4chan threads were sensationalized and turned into news articles where Anonymous was the representative demographic of a nation.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:31 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol you said it. Sancom is really fucked up if you think about it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:08 06/05/2011 # ! Good (+0.5)

    “Why can’t America get over Pearl Harbor? They destroyed the Imperial Japanese Navy and burnt hundreds of thousands of civilians, that should be enough. But they still aren’t satisfied?”
    “This is what the top US lawyer says about it? America is looking more and more like Nazi Germany these days…”
    “The US is killing innocents itself!”

    2ch being a bit hypocritical considering their past atrocities

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:22 06/05/2011 # ! Good (+0.9)

    the difference is, Japan retired, American is still killing..

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:05 06/05/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    If by "retired" you mean "was forced to dismantle their military while the US handles their defense" then, yes!

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:21 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Houselife, people like you are just victims waiting to happen.....

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    Comment by Shippoyasha
    21:12 06/05/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    I actually kind of agree with House except SMART Americans like the President himself has said this was about a terrorist leader. Most muslims in America bristle at the thought that Bin Laden is their 'leader' in any way. Most of the Arab world has long since discarded Bin Laden as any kind of leader since he killed fellow Muslims in Muslim nations (and also in the West).

    Likewise, those people acting on bloodlust and going nuts celebrating doesn't represent everyone. It didn't back in 2001, it doesn't now.

    We shouldn't pay too much heed to how media separates the two sides so evenly. Especially when apparently Muslims largely disagree with the extremists and militant Islamic nations' policies quite a bit more than we know (if not, where's the BILLIONS of Muslims rising against us? Instead they go on an internet fueled 'Jasmine revolution' in their nations trying to be more like us).

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    Comment by HouseLife
    13:06 06/05/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    The simple reality is making light of any symbol of the honor of a nation or an ideal is the perfect way to cause history to repeat itself.

    The day Osama was killed, I wasn't relieved that he was killed, because his death means nothing realitistically. It only means that we've much to learn when you see stupid college kids chanting in the streets exactly like the flag-burners in the nations who oppose us. I was only happy when they said that they at least tried to follow a burial in respect of his life, regardless of his actions. But even that is under question because nobody was there to witness it.

    Giving honor to your enemies is the one thing we can do that will prove ourselves to the planet and earn their trust in our ability to lead. Nothing else we do will do so much to prove our honor and character than to treat our enemies with respect, regardless of our differences.

    And yes, anyone who knows some of Osama's history knows he deserves some respect for what he accomplished in the perspective of his people. Just as Hitler deserved respect for his ability to have pulled Germany from the ashes of economic turmoil, even if his intentions became erratic and fearful. Discounting all the good that someone has done because of the effects of their negativity is the mark of a one-dimensional mind, and we're all guilty of it. And it will lead us nowhere but in circles.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:22 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    You speak the truth, seeing americans on the street chant USA USA USA smiling and laughing over a dead person, I was ashamed watching that.

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    Comment by erochichi
    01:23 07/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Anon 20:11 you know nothing about EU. They are spending vast resources to military while social welfare i going down ever so faster.
    Just now it is EU having most military in war against Gaddafi in Libya, USA is mostly watching it from outside.
    EU is ultra capitalist system, if it makes you happy.
    They are now in process letting taxpayers pay for their many big investment bank`s fiasco in Ireland, Greece, Portugal and Spain & Italy coming next.

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    Comment by stomach_hands
    06:42 07/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    a victim must be victimized voluntarily to be considered as a victim?

    bollocks!

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:19 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Correction:
    HALF a Century! as in FIFTY YEARS+

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    Comment by HouseLife
    17:12 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    @ Anon 16:21

    You just defined all of humanity who has sacrificed their ability to see potential. A victim is someone who allows themselves to be a victim, it is not an event, but a state of being you must accept in order for it to happen. I do not accept it. I have the benefit of knowing that I will die, and no matter what circumstance it occurs, it will be by my own will.

    If it means I'll be attacked by the weak-minded for knowing that to respect an enemy even as you kill them for their crimes against you is a more enlightened path, then so be it. The very concept of vengeance breeding vengeance is something the youngest of children can understand, and yet so few people recognize, is proof positive that most people are cowards and not worth listening to.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Also like euroland; never having to spend a fucking plugged nickle on defense to dump more cash into socialistic crap for their lame population. Of which is biting Hard back at euroland even as I write!
    +
    Face it Nipponese; you got a free ride for close to over a century. Blowing it finacial up in the late '80s as your economy popped. You're still playing for it now too!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:28 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Japan raped Nanking. The U.S. bombed (and in some case, firebombed) over 60 Japanese cities, with destruction between 15% to 85% of each city.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:43 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    oh its not only that, the killing of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE IN SOUTHEAST ASIA too.. >.>

    Comment by Anonymous

    Jews: Proving Hitler Right Since 1945. (Smiles)

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:00 06/05/2011 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    lol, these Japansies are just butthurt because they don't have a strong politician like Obama leading the way for their country.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:19 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Japanese, butthurt? Curiously, it's the American who keep on bringing the Pearl Harbor topic out, not them.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:39 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Actually everyone here has been bringing up Pearl Harbor except the Americans.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:29 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    They have every right to be butthurt, after all Americans are whining over a loss. Forever will it be remembered that at one point they lost. Sore losers. I hope another 9/11 happens.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:53 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    well there not gonna sit around and say "hey remember when we bombed pearl harbor then paid ten fold for it."

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:17 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    you people, especially the USA, are so blinded by their pride in their own countries it makes me sick.

    Comment by Anonymous

    lol fag, you've got nothing except pride in your shitty, fail posts over the intertubes. You're not even worthy to lick the smegma off of Obama's dick.

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    Comment by Yasuo
    21:48 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    butt hurt Americans. Easily the face-palmiest of all butt hurts.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:28 06/05/2011 # ! Drivel (-0.8)

    And you being blinded by your hatred of our pride makes us sick.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:23 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Go mention that over 2ch.

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    Comment by Uryuu?
    12:30 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    And you point is? That was then this is now. What happened at pearl harbor was a tragedy indeed. But the nuke that killed innocents couldn't looked over either. At least the Pearl Harbor's casualties are mostly if not all military. Read up Homies.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima_bombing

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:28 08/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    wow u list wikipedia as a credible source dumb As!

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    Comment by drcb
    12:33 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Why not compare Bin Laden with Hitler then, those two killed innocent civilians, not just armed soldiers in a war.

    Remember the Taliban? those cowards killed people for shaving their beards, not for mass murdering people. If they were to actually apply the law fair and square in the Middle East, Bin Laden would have been sentenced to death a long time ago.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:33 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    nanking is between japan and china, nothing to do with japan-america

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:56 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm not sure about Nanking because it happened in the past, but what I do know is that too many controversy and propaganda surrounds it. I'm not really buying it...

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:12 06/05/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Don't tell me America or China is shit-free. It's war, what do you expect? The winner is the saint, while the losers is the devil...

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:23 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I can't believe the bullshit in these comments. It was a reality, Japan's been downplaying it since it happened, and the entire argument of Japan being a "benevolent ruler of Asia, would have been better than the Chinese government" is full of shit. They were Imperialist murderers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2ck8sTrB2k

    this movie should be required watching for Japanese schoolchildren.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:05 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    And frankly it does not matter one bit if there was Nanking or not - the Japanese Empire of the day was an unacceptable regardless of the actions it carried out overseas. Even if it had an epic name.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:34 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    i bet they wish they were under the Japanese now. else look at what shit china has to offer.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:05 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Even IF Nanking wasn't what China claims it was, there's still a lot of shit Japan caused across Asia and the Pacific.

    Comment by Anonymous

    to me.. $1.00 bullet.. vs 3 million dollar trial and incarceration...

    Navy Seals... Saving Tax payers money since 1962!

    and.. as some face saving by me to the Japanese.. Eric Holder is an Idiot... Please forgive his stupidity!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:25 06/05/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    So when are we going to leave the middle east for good since we got him, that would save ton's more on tax payer's money.










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