29% of USA: “Quake is Divine Retribution Against Japan”

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A poll of Americans reveals 38% consider the recent earthquake and tsunami a “sign from God” and a further 29% believe such disasters are actually divine punishment from God.

The report in question, based a random sample of 1,000 Americans and conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute, a secular research body concerned with religion and public policy:

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Nearly 6-in-10 (59%) white evangelicals also believe that natural disasters are a sign from God. Only about one-third of Catholics (31%) and white mainline Protestants (34%) believe natural disasters are a sign from God.

A majority (53%) of white evangelicals believe that God punishes nations for the sins of its citizens–a view held by just 1-in-5 white mainline Protestants and Catholics.

The revelation that Ishihara is only as crazy as the average evangelical Christian is somehow less than surprising.

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  • Citizens of Japan; Disregard the idiot christians who think they run the world (and think god is there best friend) This is not the majority of america anymore. Most americans are donating more than they can afford, I sure did when I got news of this awful tragedy.

    GIVE TIL IT HURTS AMERICA

  • Did anyone actually read the linked article…?

    “and even fewer (29%) believe that God /sometimes/ punishes nations for the sins of some of its citizens.”

    Sometimes. Not particularly this one, just every now and then, which is slightly more reasonable.

  • “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”
    Voltaire French author, humanist, rationalist, & satirist (1694 – 1778)

    “Stupidity is a condition. Ignorance is a choice.”
    -Non Sequiter

  • Global Warming is fake. The Entire galaxy is heating up. Not just Earth. Fight against the Illuminati. They control the media, and hence, they control everything you think you “know”. Peace 🙂

  • This is a retarded survey

    1. White Evangelicals were sampled
    Evangelicals only make up 5% of America
    Evangelicals are predominantly black.

    2 Random Survey
    “Public Religion Survey”
    Not random at all. They purposefully took one of the smallest faiths in American, then the minority of that faith in order to get the results that THEY desired.

  • Im not sure which is worst, the poll questions or the answers? Would would be racist/ evil enough to think Anyone in JPN deserved what happened?! I’ve donated to JPN a few times, I hope someone gets helped out from it. No one wants to be in a situation like that. Nature is just more powerful than we are. Simple as that.

    That poll was retarded and not representing USA in the slightest. Thankfully the few friends I have from JPN were safe from the effects.

    1000 people out of 20 billion or whatever we have here? Yeah that was a great poll that wasnt skewed at all… Must have been just 1 cult building.

  • It’s NOT all Americans,
    it’s WHITE extremist Christians…
    and yes they are all REPUBLICAN.

    Republicans in govt. have made some very very outwardly racist comments about the immigration issue her in the U.S., so blatantly racist that for the first time I sincerely feel ill will towards another fellow human being.

    These guys are the same like mindedness that brought you slavery, genocide, the KKK, the Salem Witch Hunts.

    Even though the “Study” may not be scientific it still illustrates how dangerous these white conservatives are here.

    They claim to be so in god’s grace and yet they buy guns and ammo like crazy when when a president who happens to be black is elected…there was a MAJOR ammo/gun purchase spike for a while after we inaugurated the president.

  • Well you can’t blame the americans, they lost 12,000 people on the assault on one far off japanese island alone..well the japanese lost millions but they killed millions too, not forgetting the rapes, beatings, abuses, burnings, killings and other crazy stuff their soldiers did. Hell they burned our capital city to the ground during the past. It’s all good and charming to imagine this as divine retribution. After this tsunami some of the blood that boils from anger of the japanese has been sated or tamed, hopefully.

  • So, that means god really love sweden then considering we get almost no natural distasters. We get a few storms and such, but nothing bad enough to kill anyone.

    I’m so glad to live in a god blessed country

    xD

  • ironwarrior says:

    Sorry, Artefact–polls ARE NOT a form of “valid extrapolation,” especially when they are performed by groups or agencies promoting an agenda. Twenty-nine percent of 1000 does not equal 29% of 300,000,000. I suggest you do some serious research in statistical fallacies and advanced stochastics.

    On a personal note, I live in the mountains of West Virginia, USA, which is fairly backward (hillbilly’s) and full of various evangelical groups (including the bat-shit crazy ones). Oddly enough, I’ve yet to hear a single group mention “divine retribution” as a cause for the tsunami in Japan. Most of the local churches have been fairly sympathetic and even want to offer some aid. Even the White Supremecist groups that live north of me about 20-30 miles have said nothing. As an aside, as a Jew, I like fucking with them, but I haven’t heard any of them mention recent Japanese events.

    What makes me more bonkers, though, is the absurd posts that reference American racism. AAARGH! Let’s review: racism, simply put, is “prejudiced behavior toward or against a group of people based on defineable physical characteristics.”

    Saying “Americans are racist” is nonsensical, given that America is defined by ALL racial groups, regardless of the proclivities of the Founding Fathers. Would Japanese Americans be racist toward Japanese Asians? Of course not–if you’re of Oriental descent, you would be saying you are racist against yourself.

    You have to define the SPECIFIC individuals within a SPECIFIC racial collective within America to make that assessment, and even then, its not going to be be accurate. You can’t say “All white American males are racist toward Japanese Orientals,” because it is obviously false.

    Still, the word “racism” fails unless you’re defining the specific physical and genetic charactieristics. In the above example regarding Japanese Asians and Japanese Americans, animosity would be based on “nationalism,” maybe even “ethnocentric,” but NOT racism.

    I’m sure most posters on here will ignore this or carry on with their self-righteous behavior and poor education, but COME ON, PEOPLE! If you’re going to post some hate, love, or general bitching, show some fucking smarts and commonsense!

    <3

  • Weird that 32% of people in American say that quake was divine retribution in Japan…but when that happened in New Zealand and Christ Church fell…it’s not retribution of God? Double standards, distorting fact to suit their needs is corrupt.

  • Dogmatic religion relieves social and intellectual anxieties by laying an “in-group” blindfold over the symptomatic realities. It is a terribly unfortunate fact that many people take such relief as an excuse to act more inhumanely.

  • Oh please, gawd my fucking ass, this is not a divine punishment from his all mighty, its punishment for letting scum like Ishihara come to power, and the minute he announced he wanted to do a second term, bam. This shit happens =_+ Its a shame the same thing didn’t happen when Bush came into power, or when Chen did a few years back.

  • I’m really getting sick of these godly believes. Every time I visit a forum I always see biblical text talking shit about Armageddon, punishment from god, and divine retribution. Total bullshit. I don’t give a damn if I’ll burn in hell.

    So be it. Go fuck your god.

  • over 300 million in the U.S. and their sample size was 1000 random in an unspecified area of the country? There sample size was not sufficient so show anything but the overt bias’ or stupidity of the few respondents.

  • From the same people who say that the Jewish people are bad people? Come on, didn’t they have something else to do, e.g. helping the earthquake/tsunami victims in Japan. Where’s the love of these Christians (of the poll) about loving each other and forgiving those who had sinned. This generation of Japanese have nothing to do with the WWII, but they need to understand that war never brings something good or right, actually everyone need to understand this, including Americans, Europeans, everyone literally! Don’t watch back at what Germany and Japan did, but look forward and prevent big wars that probably will happen in the near future!

  • Catholic bastard cant and wont stop on saying its divine intervention of some sort of the crap they believe in , which also means that at some point if i see an American catholic son of a bitch i will make him make the look of a lifetime cause im gonna stick my keyboard straight up his ass

  • What was the actual question?

    Eg, “Do you think pushing little old ladies into a pool is a good thing? versus Do you think saving a burning old lady by putting her in water is good?

  • From the same study.

    “More than 8-in-10 also say that providing financial assistance to Japan is important despite economic challenges at home.”

    The sample also seems a bit biased towards religious respondents, as only 8% said they didn’t believe in God, which seems pretty low even for the US.

  • This is retarded even for Sankaku. Come on. OK, let’s look closely.

    >Nearly 6-in-10 (59%) white evangelicals

    >A majority (53%) of white evangelicals

    >evangelicals

    So, the survey was conducted on nutjob religious extremists. Most Christians are not evangelical. Those are the weirdos who scream at snakes and fall on the ground shaking in their churches. Not even the slightest attempt made for proper demographic research.

    Did this survey actually even take place? Keep it real, son.

  • Poll: Most Americans don’t blame God for natural disasters
    By Nicole Neroulias

    (RNS) We may never know why bad things happen to good people, but most Americans—except evangelicals—reject the idea that natural disasters are divine punishment, a test of faith or some other sign from God, according to a new poll.

    The poll released Thursday (March 24), by Public Religion Research Institute in partnership with Religion News Service, was conducted a week after a March 11 earthquake triggered a devastating tsunami and nuclear crisis in Japan.

    Nearly six in 10 evangelicals believe God can use natural disasters to send messages—nearly twice the number of Catholics (31 percent) or mainline Protestants (34 percent). Evangelicals (53 percent) are also more than twice as likely as the one in five Catholics or mainline Protestants to believe God punishes nations for the sins of some citizens.

    The poll found that a majority (56 percent) of Americans believe God is in control of the earth, but the idea of God employing Mother Nature to dispense judgment (38 percent of all Americans) or God punishing entire nations for the sins of a few (29 percent) has less support.

    From Noah’s fabled flood to 21st-century disasters like Hurricane Katrina and the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, some people blame incomprehensible calamities on human sinfulness.

    Such interpretations often offend victims, however. Public outcry prompted Tokyo Gov. Shintaro Ishihara to apologize for calling the disaster a “divine punishment” for Japanese egoism.

    “It’s interesting that most Americans believe in a personal God and that God is in control of everything that happens in the world … but then resist drawing a straight line from those beliefs to God’s direct role or judgment in natural disasters,” noted Robert P. Jones, CEO of Public Religion Research Institute.

    The poll found that most racial and ethnic minority Christians (61 percent) believe natural disasters are God’s way of testing our faith—an idea that resonates with African-Americans’ history of surviving through slavery and racial discrimination.

    (Japan’s population is predominantly Shinto or Buddhist—religions that view nature as a force beyond our control or understanding—but the poll could not get a representative sample of those groups in the United States.)

    In other findings:

    — Most white evangelicals (84 percent) and minority Christians (76 percent) believe God is in control of everything that happens in the world, compared to slimmer majorities of white mainline Protestants (55 percent) and Catholics (52 percent).

    — Nearly half of Americans (44 percent) say the increased severity of recent natural disasters is evidence of biblical “end times,” but a larger share (58 percent) believe it is evidence of climate change. The only religious group more likely to see natural disasters as evidence of “end times” (67 percent) than climate change (52 percent) is white evangelicals.

    — Across political and religious lines, roughly eight in 10 Americans say government relief aid to Japan is very important (42 percent) or somewhat important (41 percent), despite our current economic problems.

    “After one of these disasters, people turn to their clergy and their theologians and they look for answers, and there are no great answers,” said Gary Stern, author of “Can God Intervene? How Religion Explains Natural Disasters.”

    “But almost every group believes you have to help people who are suffering.”

    The question of God’s role in, and humans’ response to, disasters has long vexed the world’s major religious traditions, Stern said, even as answers often remain elusive.

    Prompted by the 2004 tsunami that devastated Southeast Asia, Stern interviewed dozens of American ministers, priests, imams, rabbis, monks, professors and nonbelievers about their theories. They offered disparate views, sometimes at the same time: forces of nature are impersonal; God is all-knowing but not all-powerful; nature is destructive because of original sin or collective karma; victims are sinners; suffering helps test our faith and purify us.

    “The evangelical world is definitely focused on original sin and on the general sinfulness of our world … and it won’t end until Christ returns,” Stern said. “In the mainline world, their theology is not well-suited to why God allows these things to happen, so their emphasis is on looking for God in the rescue efforts. And Catholics feel that suffering makes us holy, and there are mysteries that we can’t answer in this life, and we’ll find the answers in the next life.”

    But among evangelicals, there’s a wide gulf between the fundamentalist perspective that sees disasters as proof of God’s wrath and the moderate view that sees “a distinction between an earthquake as part of God’s plan and God causing that earthquake,” said R. Douglas Geivett, a religion professor at Biola University in California.

    “There are a lot of things that I wouldn’t cause to happen to my children to teach them certain lessons, but I might allow them to happen, so they might learn the lesson,” said Geivett, a former president of the Evangelical Philosophical Society.

    “This is tragic, but if you ask (why God allows) earthquakes, you have to ask it anytime that people die. We would have to be prophets of God to know that.”

    The PRRI/RNS Religion News Poll was based on telephone interviews of 1,008 U.S. adults between March 17 and 20. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

  • from their website…

    Few Americans see earthquakes, floods and other natural disasters a sign from God

    The new PRRI/RNS Religion News Survey was conducted by Public Religion Research Institute in partnership with Religion News Service following the recent earthquake and tsunami in Japan.
    Most Americans believe in a personal God who is in control of everything that happens in the world — fairly standard orthodox theological affirmations –- but they resist drawing a straight line from those beliefs to God’s direct role or judgment in natural disasters.

    * 7-in-10 Americans see God as a person with whom one can have a relationship, and a majority (56%) say God is in control of everything that happens in the world.
    * However, less than 4-in-10 (38%) believe earthquakes, floods and other natural disasters are a sign from God; and even fewer (29%) believe that God sometimes punishes nations for the sins of some of its citizens.
    * The one exception to this pattern is found among white evangelical Protestants.
    o Nearly 6-in-10 (59%) white evangelicals also believe that natural disasters are a sign from God. Only about one-third of Catholics (31%) and white mainline Protestants (34%) believe natural disasters are a sign from God.
    o A majority (53%) of white evangelicals believe that God punishes nations for the sins of its citizens–a view held by just 1-in-5 white mainline Protestants and Catholics.

    Americans are more likely to attribute the increased severity of natural disasters to global climate change than to signs of apocalyptic biblical prophecy.

    * Nearly 6-in-10 (58%) Americans say that the severity of recent natural disasters is evidence of global climate change, compared to 44% of Americans who say that the severity of recent natural disasters is evidence of what the Bible calls the ‘end times.’ White evangelical Protestants and Republicans are an exception to this pattern:
    o Among White evangelicals, 67% believe that natural disasters are evidence of what the Bible calls the ‘end times’ compared to 52% who see it as evidence of global climate change.
    o Among Republicans, 52% believe that natural disasters are evidence of what the Bible calls the ‘end times’ compared to 41% who see it as evidence of global climate change.

    Only about 1-in-5 (18%) Americans say seeing innocent people suffer sometimes causes them to have doubts about God.

    Most Americans have heard about the earthquake and Tsunami that hit Japan, and overwhelming numbers support government providing financial assistance despite the current economic climate.

    * Nearly 9-in-10 (86%) Americans say they have heard a lot about the earthquake and tsunami that struck Japan.
    * More than 8-in-10 also say that providing financial assistance to Japan is very important (42%) of somewhat important (41%) despite economic challenges at home. Support is high across political and religious groups.

    what do you think of the article now?

  • hey i am a white Protestant in FL but even i do think that is a little much. Sure every country has sin, and God is fair, why would he single out Japan? if this were to be Divine retribution he would have done something to everyone. and lets not forget they found a baby floting 15 miles out in sea still alive, now thats God’s work. in addion, not every Protestant thinks japan is full of sin, those are just the over Zelots lirbals.

  • A bit off-topic (mercifully), but I’ve got to say it… Whoever designed that house should never have to worry about a paycheck for the rest of his life. That’s one tough-ass house…

  • the fact is, there is no god, the natural disaster is natural, it’s happen, just like outer space, where there is no human over there, the planet explode, the black hole, that star crashed on each other, that divine retribution for who? aliens?

    like on the other planets, there is dust storm on Mars, because it’s something natural on Mars, it’s not divine retribution for an alien on Mars, same on earth, such natural disaster is just natural on earth.

  • It is written in the passages in the story of Jonah… Wouldn’t God spare the city of Niniveh because there were only a few who repented? There were a lot of innocents who died in that quake, Christian and non-Christian. Wasn’t it also said in the passages that God will rather go after a lost sheep rather than stay with the herd and count his losses? If they believe that this is divine retribution then their great and merciful “God” is non-existent…

  • So as many as 56% of respondants to a biased poll revealed they’re fucking crazy-assed religeous nut cases….. Is this really any suprise? The more important issue is, how the hell are they gonna get the boat off that building?

  • Obvious statics are obvious. One second of thought and you’d realize the wording of the question conflicts with the obvious bias and yellow journalism Sankaku Complex is trying to promote: Christians believe (for the most part,) that God controls the world, or at the very least natural disasters. To say that he doesn’t kind of defeats the idea of God as all-powerful. The statistics DON’T say that these same Christians believe that God divinely punished Japan with an earthquake, which is the obvious gallon of bullshit this post is trying to get everyone to swallow.

    Stay classy Sankaku.

  • What is with the misleading title? First you make it sound like 29% of ALL Americans, second its 29% of a super small sample size chosen from religious zealots? It would be like asking how people feel about Jews at a neo nazi rally.

  • “conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute, a secular research body concerned with religion and public policy”

    Yeah I think it’s a little bias. Besides you can play the god card on anything

    “oh that little girl was killed by a stray bullet”
    Evangelical: “God is dropping the Sin Hammer on her for her misdeeds”

    • Few Americans see earthquakes, floods and other natural disasters a sign from God

      The new PRRI/RNS Religion News Survey was conducted by Public Religion Research Institute in partnership with Religion News Service following the recent earthquake and tsunami in Japan.
      Most Americans believe in a personal God who is in control of everything that happens in the world — fairly standard orthodox theological affirmations –- but they resist drawing a straight line from those beliefs to God’s direct role or judgment in natural disasters.

      * 7-in-10 Americans see God as a person with whom one can have a relationship, and a majority (56%) say God is in control of everything that happens in the world.
      * However, less than 4-in-10 (38%) believe earthquakes, floods and other natural disasters are a sign from God; and even fewer (29%) believe that God sometimes punishes nations for the sins of some of its citizens.
      * The one exception to this pattern is found among white evangelical Protestants.
      o Nearly 6-in-10 (59%) white evangelicals also believe that natural disasters are a sign from God. Only about one-third of Catholics (31%) and white mainline Protestants (34%) believe natural disasters are a sign from God.
      o A majority (53%) of white evangelicals believe that God punishes nations for the sins of its citizens–a view held by just 1-in-5 white mainline Protestants and Catholics.

      Americans are more likely to attribute the increased severity of natural disasters to global climate change than to signs of apocalyptic biblical prophecy.

      * Nearly 6-in-10 (58%) Americans say that the severity of recent natural disasters is evidence of global climate change, compared to 44% of Americans who say that the severity of recent natural disasters is evidence of what the Bible calls the ‘end times.’ White evangelical Protestants and Republicans are an exception to this pattern:
      o Among White evangelicals, 67% believe that natural disasters are evidence of what the Bible calls the ‘end times’ compared to 52% who see it as evidence of global climate change.
      o Among Republicans, 52% believe that natural disasters are evidence of what the Bible calls the ‘end times’ compared to 41% who see it as evidence of global climate change.

      Only about 1-in-5 (18%) Americans say seeing innocent people suffer sometimes causes them to have doubts about God.

      Most Americans have heard about the earthquake and Tsunami that hit Japan, and overwhelming numbers support government providing financial assistance despite the current economic climate.

      * Nearly 9-in-10 (86%) Americans say they have heard a lot about the earthquake and tsunami that struck Japan.
      * More than 8-in-10 also say that providing financial assistance to Japan is very important (42%) of somewhat important (41%) despite economic challenges at home. Support is high across political and religious groups.

  • The problem is that evangelicals are a EXTREMELY LOUD minority. Instead of treating them like a extremist fringe group, we have an entire Republican party dedicated to sucking off as many of these people as possible. They serve no purpose other than to restrict personal freedoms, based on their own twisted fantasy on what a christian theocracy would be like.

  • Knowing that japan would harbor the most obscene forms of child porn and horny tentacles in the world, god in his infinite wisdom move the tectonic plaques(*) to be strategic placed under this dammed country, so he can easily move them when they need punishment.

  • Very misleading results…..VERY VERY VERY MISLEADING….Public Religion Research Institute, a secular research body <—-is this a correct agency to gather such results???? most likely the sample data are all gathered from churches….Statistics man…Its all statistics….And does this 1000 sample size speaks for the entire population??? Critical thinking….Stats are released to mislead ppl often done by govts…

  • Yeah that’s not a biased poll at all, asking a bunch of conservative religious nuts what they think about the nation of Hentai’s recent misfortune… nothing slanted there what-so-ever. Btw fuck all those poeple who said it was divine retribution. I hope their churches get destroyed in a manner that their insurance companies refuse to pay for the damages!!!

  • tis post is a troll

    religion (god) is a personal believe, since when god punish people rather than helping?

    the mistake japanese done in the past is due to their government and not its people which they got punished by human, not god.

    if this was in fact a punishment why not have the quake right in tokyo centre?

    don’t take tis post seriously, the OP just want your advertising dollar by demeaning Japan and America.

  • One thousand people out of millions is hardly a true sampling of public opinion. They should have said that they polled 1,000 random members of the lunatic fringe. Another bogus poll.

  • I must ask this, why are you hypocritical religious fakes doing on this site? You have nothing to justify the evils of the faith you subscribe to and you have nothing to defend the evils your people do hypocritically.
    Go ahead and down vote all those who voice their opinions while you don’t leave behind any comments, that just shows how insecure and defenseless you fake worms are.

  • “29% of (ALL) USA: “Quake is Divine Retribution Against Japan”

    [b]The usual misleading title[/b], nice job Sankaku

    It’s only very small(few) or scantily clad portion of USA and the title says ‘29% of USA’

    • starsplash says:

      Thats why its a title dummy. Titles are suppose to get ur attention and it seems like it did its job. You should be clicking the link and read what it says. Judging a book by its cover is never a good thing.

  • Well, if America doesn’t stop being ego filled bigots, they’ll be hit with similar things, like the fault-line in Tennessee, which is supposed to be worse then the stuff in California, when it goes.

    And yes, I live in America, born in Florida.

  • this survey was actually to gather how much out of a 1000 random americans are retards.

    srsly, thing about this survey is it’s far from random.

    since it’s said

    1. they are all white

    2. they all believe in God

    3. they are all of the same religion

    which is to say, the heading is very misleading, since 1000 white religious ppl does not and can not represent all of america.

    There are too many races and too many beliefs.

  • Keep in mind, I have two friends that have suffered greatly at the hands of the utterly fucking paranoid US (while trying to travel into the US for 100% legit reasons), and will say right to your face (understandably thanks to how they have been treated), they think the US deserves all the suffering they have suffered as a result of the reactions yet still ongoing from their response to 9/11.

    It’s likely the US has suffered so much erosion to their actual freedom (which daily is increasingly less and less), and as a result associated economic loss, that the actual event of 9/11 has long since been surpassed by their actions in response.

    Keep in mind, I refer to the US GOVERNMENT, not joe blow nobody US citizen.

    I think it’s damned great what some of the US military is doing to aid the victims in Japan, but back home, there is no shortage of fucking assholes working just as hard to make the US looking like fucking jerks too.

    Maybe if the US had more people like those working in Japan, and less like the atypical Christian religious retard, you wouldn’t have Muslim freaks flying planes into your key landmarks.

  • ..does anyone else here notice that the poll’s numbers are screwed up?

    56% + 40% + 38% + 29% = 163%
    163% is more then 100%. Meaning those numbers are screwed off, or they gave everyone a multiple choice. And if it’s done on phone, multiple choice questions just seem kind of stupid imo.

    It’s not even possible to give multiple answers without messing up the polls either. Yes you can believe that God “controls everything” but you can only combine that with a single selection of the rest of the poll. That problem gives the fact that you cannot combine even the biggest with the smallest and still fit 100% populous. It always ends up more then 100%

    And if you thought of it the opposite way, 40% + 28% + 29% = 107%, and that’s still more then 100%, and they would ALL have to agree that God ‘controls everything’.

    All I’m saying is that this poll is incorrect in some way with it’s numbers, and just isn’t possible even with multiple choice.

      • Agree w/ 8:55 & 9:06.

        It very much may be an agree or disagree survey, which would make sense. And I bet that if that’s how it was, then the % of people, namely 44% of who they surveyed disagreed with the facts. This would explain the mass amount of total %. Thanks @ 9:06 for giving me that view.

        @8:55 There’s a reason they don’t have those options. They most likely ask the faith of the person on the phone before taking the survey, therefor not even taking into account ANY ‘non-believer’. But yeah, I agree there should be a ‘God didn’t do this’ option. It’s Nature. This kind of thing happens. Earthquakes storms happen on other planets without any life at all, but yet they call it God’s wrath or something.

        IE, Jupiter’s massive stormcell. Wrath on WHO may I ask?

    • Or they allowed each person to vote up to 3 times?

      My question is “Why is there no ‘God has nothing to do with this’ option?” I mean, really? Out of 1000 people, you couldn’t get 1 person that disagreed with the 4 options? They all felt 163% that God wanted to smite Japan?

  • The headline is misleading. There’s nothing about divine retribution, or Japan, in the report. It simply holds that a minority of Christians in the US believe that natural disasters are “signs” from God, and most believe that God is in control of the world.

    I don’t know why that shocks anyone. These ideas aren’t exclusively Christian, or anything new. The idea that God or the gods control nature and life and death, and that they communicate with us through natural phenomena, has been with us since the dawn of man.

    And personally, I think that idea makes just as much sense as a completely random universe that just exploded out of nothingness one day.

  • i’m pretty sure that they went to one small little group of fullbore nutjobs of a certain ‘baptist’ persuasion who are noted for their violent antisocial off the charts responses…
    its called skewing the result by used a limited sample…
    if gawd did this why are chitholes like the middle east, africa, china, mexico, canukastan, england, fwance, and central and south america still standing?

  • bad poll is bad.

    But I’m glad I’m an atheist. If I die and it turns out I was wrong well…I guess I’ll have to cross that bridge when I get there. But I was probably screwed even before I lost faith anyway.

    Pearl Harbor was so bad that warrants divine retribution, where’s Germany’s turn? He can’t reach Europe or something?
    With that logic God hates Louisiana with Katrina and BP’s mess.

    /facepalm

  • My god you people are trolled easily.

    So a stupid survey was posted that obviously isn’t true in any way, shape, or form.

    Why would you take the time to start bashing people who have religion who clearly don’t agree with these results? Or why would you bash all of America for a faulty survey?

    You guys sound as bad as Ishihara. Taking bullshit “reasoning” and using it as an outlet to start talking shit about people.

      • If you can’t figure that out from the percentage, the sample size, the way the results were taken, and the people who were sampled in general, then congratulates you have failed life.

        • lol you’ve obviously not learn about random sampling before. All 4 questions are asked to these 1000 ppl(so the maximum percentage of agreement to each question is 100%). The sample size is random, some people like 1000 and sum like 100 000. Of course a larger sample size will be more accurate.

          Yes I do agree that the way results are taken can affect the outcome like how a person can simply give any answer to an internet questionnaire. But not every method of getting these results are perfect. From asking random people in the middle of the street to asking people from specific regions, they all have faults. So this survey isn’t a perfect representation of the views of Americans but it’s close. There is no way for it to be 100% accurate but I won’t say that it is 100% wrong too. And the people that were sampled are random people. You can’t ask specific groups of people. Since it is random, it is fair.

          Just because you yourself do not feel the same as those that have taken this survey, doesn’t mean that other Americans don’t. America may be one country but its citizens have different opinions. If you have failed to understand this you have failed in life.

    • Also, for those who didn’t bother to take a look at the source:

      ‘Most Americans have heard about the earthquake and Tsunami that hit Japan, and overwhelming numbers support government providing financial assistance despite the current economic climate.

      More than 8-in-10 also say that providing financial assistance to Japan is very important (42%) of(sic) somewhat important (41%) despite economic challenges at home. Support is high across political and religious groups.’

    • Not only does this not reflect America properly, it doesn’t reflect Christians properly. I’ve never met a Christian who was this fanatical. Actually I’ve never met an American who was this fanatical. I’ve been to both coasts. Maybe they are all hanging around in the middle states?

  • Polls like this are always bullshit.

    Who the hell did they ask? They didn’t ask me… or anyone I know… or anyone they know. And there is no institution for the general public or on some census that would take this information soooooo… I call bullshit.

    Now to scroll down and read all the comments of people who fell for it.

  • I guess those “Christians” forgot that God promised to never harm us again after the Great Flood. The rainbow is supposed to be the sign of that covenant.

    If they’re truly Christians, they wouldn’t view these disasters as divine retribution but a sign of the End Times.

    We need to stick together to get through the End of Days people!!!!!!!

  • I dont believe this. Where was this study conducted? I know lots of americans, and none of them think its god who did it.

    This survay was probably conducted on like, a christian college campus or something. Just so the percentages could be messed up.

  • Well this doesn’t strike me as surprising. In Florida Stephen R. Wise put forth Senate Bill 1854. Basically saying teach creationism besides evolution. After he had failed to put forth Senate Bill 2396 in 2009 which was to teach Intelligent Design. In fact, in less than 3 moths there’s been 9 ‘anti-evolution’ bills in the US.

    Seriously, I’m starting to think they’re only #1 in military technology and body weight >.>

    • What a load of shit. Please don’t include most Americans in this discussion. I can assure you the actual percentage of Americans that are represented by such a survey is so small it would be statistically insignificant. America as a whole is sick at what happened to Japan and sponsor everything our country could do to help.

    • “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
      Then he is not omnipotent.
      Is he able but not willing?
      Then he is malevolent.
      Is he both able, and willing?
      Then whence cometh evil?
      Is he neither able nor willing?
      Then why call him God.”
      -Epicurus

      There is no God but what we create, how long will this lie take to come out?

      Pray to Charlie Sheen or Chuck Norris – at least they are tangible.

      Charlie Sheen bless Japan.

      • “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
        Then he is not omnipotent.
        Is he able but not willing?
        Then he is malevolent.
        Is he both able, and willing?
        Then whence cometh evil?
        Is he neither able nor willing?
        Then why call him God.”
        -Epicurus

        “Who quoted that guy must of forsaken sex then.”

    • “..Religion”

      There’s your answer. Sadly, as a Catholic myself, I’m extremely disappointed on the fact that even in this modern era, there are still unevolved religious idiots out here and there who still believe that every countries who got hit by a huge disaster signify that the people living there are sinful. Hell, back when my state got attacked by the Greg Storm in 1996, people actually screamed out that the disaster happened because we held an event where people dressed up their pet cats and dogs.

  • The report in question, based a random sample of 1,000 Americans and conducted by the Public Religion Research Institute, a secular research body concerned with religion and public policy

    I think that says enough; the margin of error in this report could easily be up to 20%, if you ask me.

  • Anyone who believes that shit is an idiot of the highest caliber. Shame on any who would dare to bad mouth a nation after a disaster such as this, especially if that nation in Japan!

  • Tell me one thing. About what god are they talking about? Christian god? NO. Christian God loves entire mankind witchout exeptions… so whats the name of their god?
    And are americans really so stupid? I doubt it… but they want to prove that they are, as you can see…

  • Tell me one thing. About what god are they talking about? Christian god? NO. Christian God loves entire mankind witchout exeptions… so whats the name of their god?
    And are americans really so stupid? I doubt it… but they want to prove that they are, as you can see…

  • …..I just want to smack 30% of Americans who did that poll. Jeez. This is crap, utter nonsense full of crap. I can’t be the only person who has brains and balls to not start some nonsense like this….

    I’m just gonna go play some pokemon and okamiden, along with some Hyperdimension Neptunia to just get this out of my head.

      • The percentage is based on those asked in whole. Person can answer that God controls everything in the world, and they can answer that this is test of faith.

        So percentage has nothing to do with each other, but more as everyone that they asked. I do wonder how many people they asked though…

        But yes, most Christians i know thinks this is act of god, After all, didn’t he flood the world in bible? caused earth quakes and whipe out 80% of human population if not more?

        God was a dick in the bible and testaments, why people follow a dick, i’ll never know. I guess it has something to do with women also liking assholes. God knows i get laid more when i’m being an asshole.

  • This post is a bunch of junk. The Survey is not about Japan, no where is Japen mentioned in the survey. Plus the only people with home phones is a small group.

    Why would you try to start problems like this…..I do not understand

    I love Japan and the people of Japan and I am praying relief and comfort for everyone effected.

  • making this multiple choice where there is no right answer is basically trolling.

    if you create a world and it is self renewing and self sestaining, complete with physics and chemistry which keeps the environment able to support life, and the spinning magma which creates a electro magnetic field that protects us from radiation from the sun. then balance it in the emptiness of space anchored by gravity to the sun. minor accidents are bound to happen.

    it is not someone’s fault. it is just the planet moving and making its progress. it is not wrath or vengence. there will be wrath one day, but this isn’t it. this was just an unforseen tragedy. had it happened elsewhere, there would not have been speculation about god having a vendetta against japan for any ridiculous reasons.

    if anything could be learned from this, it’s that regardless of advanced warnings, disasters happen. i live in tornado alley, trees have fallen on my house and i was without power for a week during a hurricane. i chose to live here, god didn’t put me here to punish me. he gave me the freedom to live on his earth.

    this survey only asks people a question with vague answers, leaving room for misinterpretations. a persons mood and life experiences may also waver a result to reflect a negative consensus.

  • the great joke is that if god punishes countries for the sins of its people wouldnt america be the first not japan the US has some of thehighest crime rates in the world the government has the biggest world rule complex( they aret trying to take over they think they already rule) and are the one who abuse the name of god and religion the most

  • Ok… I know sankaku is run by guys that think sticking their dicks into pencil sharpeners is a good thing… But even you SMART guys should get the FACT that it is not a % of ALL people in the country, it is a % of ONLY people polled. So for any of you winners bashing anyone here for this, you are either morons or just dumb ass mother fuckers.

  • …God Punish nation for sins of citizens!!!
    no wonder US is the land hit by Hurricane, Earthquake, Tornado, Flood, Heat-wave and Tsunami!!… SO TRUE!! God seem to have a very fond Divine Retribution towards the US..

  • Dang, 29% is quite of bit of people.

    It’s sad to hear people say that God is punishing the Japanese. Japan is one of the most safest and peaceful countries in the world. Of course, they’re not perfect and sinless, but they have changed a lot and have come a long way since WWII.

  • *sigh* People are idiots. Did you know that 40% of Americans believe the earth was created 6000 years ago? 40% is a lot of ignorant people that believe everything their evangelical preachers and the “good” book tells them. It’s scary, and that is also why I am not shocked by these figures.

  • I follow the religion of Shit Happens. The Maker, if there is one, does not control stuff like this. I live in the US, and although there are many religious kooks, I feel this “poll” is biased. Not this many of us are narrow minded idiots that know nothing of geology and plate tectonics. Also, “White Evangelicals”? Can someone show me a non-white Evangelical?

    • You give humans too much credit. I’m willing to bet that superstitions aren’t going anywhere in the next 20 centuries.
      Or at least I would, if only rejuvenation science (ie life extension) would advance faster.

  • I would like to ask everyone in the civilized world to remember that there are many Americans who are in fact intelligent, reasonable human beings. The dumb asses are like our retarded cousins, we tolerate them because they make us look better.

  • So they interviewed 1000 religionfags instead of getting a completely random sample and consider it to be representative of all of America? There are no aethists (sp?) in Amurica? Sounds skewed to me?

    Sounds like they went to the bible belt and asked questions in between incest sessions. Believing in a higher power and religion don’t always go hand in hand either.

  • My mother is a religious Catholic person, but even she was shocked to hear what Ishihara said about “divine Punishment”. She tells me that what Ishihara & others evangelists is saying of divine retribution “Is ridiculous because ITS NOT TRUE!”

    Those who say this is God’s punishment DON’T represent all Americans. Relay that to 2ch for me.

  • Shames me to be an American sometimes, Blah. It’s just a goddamned earthquake people, there’s no “divine retribution” here. Take your heads out of your bibles for once, and see the light of reality.

  • Title is a little misleading … I was about to get offended, since the USA is becoming one of the largest atheist nations. My own orientation falls somewhere in between.

    But, yeah, you pull the crazies, you get a crazy answer. I always thought Christians believed that God stepped out of the whole “divine retribution” business after the flood thing from before, though.

  • This poll was answered by people who had time to answer a phone poll from The Religious Research Institute. I’m pretty sure most Americans would simply hang up assuming they were somehow not on the do not call registry. In fact I’d be willing to bet that this Religious Research Institute probably has a call list of people that they target and know will answer their asinine questions.

  • Funny, if it were not USA but for example Russian poll, comments would be like “DAMN COMMUNISTS, GO DIE IN HELL, RACIST SCUM”. Instead – all of you are defending Americans and making poll results look like fake.

  • News Flash — 71% of Americans don’t believe that the Japanese Earthquake is a divine act against that nation.

    Somehow I doubt THAT headline would result in so much rage 😛

    So today’s lesson is that 1/3 of the population is prone to believe some crazy shit. No real surprise there. P.T. Barnum summed it up best: “there’s a sucker born every minute.”

    • I’m sorry but people who blame religion for wars are idiots. That completely ignores that humans are violent by nature and that the same people who caused wars over “relgion” would case it over race, class, culture, or because someone didn’t like their favorite color even if they didn’t have a religion.

      It’s generally accepted that if you throw blanket statements over large groups of people that you’re a complete dumbass and I still think it applies if you do it to people just because they have a religion.

      • And what of religions that advocate punishing heathens and infidels? Doesn’t religion being a tool for manipulating human behavior proves to be nothing more then a weapon? Just look at the crusades and what’s still even going on now in 2nd and mainly third world countries, yet you “true” religious enablers turn a blind eye and call them fakes for openly being violent to fellow man and not thinking once that maybe, just maybe they do truly belive in God and they’re just being God’s little soldiers for him.

        How sickening.

        • Yeah, yeah. You still didn’t address the point. It’s not about enabling religion or discrediting religion. The POINT is that a violent person will be violent whether there is religion or not.

          People are so busy hating on religion or hating on atheists or hating whoever doesn’t believe in what they do. But in the end not everyone from any entire group is dangerous or fanatical or stupid.

          Trying to be the thought police and trying to regulate religious beliefs or lack thereof and make people feel bad for these beliefs is utter stupidity.

          In the end, regardless of religion, you can’t make a non-violent person commit violence. And you can’t make a violent person stop being violent. People want to blame religion because it’s easier and they don’t want to deal with actually addressing individual stupidity. They don’t want to acknowledge that many humans are, by nature, violent.

    • Just to remind you that you can’t exist in this present if you were not in your past.

      Religion was necessary. Them lot MAY had many ways to avoid all wars, but they hardly had any knowledge of understanding of other religions that we have now, thus they chose the most viable option in the past.

      Also, anon: 04:40, I hope you won’t hate religion. Your comment sounds like as if “religion is bad (Therefore we should commence a war against them.)”..

    • Lol religion. The perfect weapon aimed right at the hearts and minds of the weak and the desperate. People need to seriously realize that this is the 21st century not the fucking dark ages. All religion does is slow down human evolution.

    • I remember watching some video how a marine fighting in afghan or iraq in the past seriously believed he was fighting a holy war and fighting against the devil… some scary shit i tell you.

  • So out of 310+ million people 89 million have a religious undertone to disasters. Wow imagine that, people are different from each other, shocking! Since about 80% of Japan practice both Buddhist and Shinto religions. Does that mean this was a karma repercussion event? Or was this divine punishment from the Kami for turning away from nature and embracing the evils of perverting nature for mans desires.

        • anon@8:12

          i guess you’re in social studies class and just learned about the red herring technique. perhaps, it was on your word-a-day calendar, and you felt the need to use it.

          the point is, i am always forthcoming about my opinions and intentions. trying to dissect sentences with the intend to find a small fallacy with another’s logic is your small way of disproving someone’s arguement.

          now, to enlighten you a little, assuming this wasn’t a one time visitor, when you read the ancient text in the holy bible, or watch documenturies on the discovery channel, you learn their values and what they consider important. we value our names less and our lives more today(exceptions exist). in the old times in jerusalem and the middle east, they cared more about their names and standing with god, and less about people’s lives.

          they did care about survival, but another man’s life was up for grabs at the drop of a hat. the order to kill was normal and there wasn’t much hesitation in the act. they were just more brutal times, then. since things are in heaven as they are on earth, justice from heaven reflected values of the past.

          with the birth of jesus christ, so came another age. god’s word was written and people were no longer given the honor of seeing him work in person. people were charged with walking by faith in god according to his word. he no longer performs miraculous signs to the masses to prove his existance. our ancestors failed to keep his memory alive, and now today’s children are confused about the facts. people who believe/teach the word are granted miracles through prayer.

          he will work through willing servants to get the word out and make believers, and in turn, they will be given riches in heaven, according to his standards, not ours.

          sorry guys, i didn’t mean to ramble, but ole’ anon wanted to hear some wisdom.

        • @06:04
          Your statement could be interpreted in two possible ways:
          A: One could not understand, unless they lived in the old testament
          B: One could understand without living in the old testament, but you are distracting him from the point.

          In the case of interpretation A, you don’t either which makes your response a non-argument. In the case of B, you fail to produce the presumed proof, opting for a completely irrelevant point. Either way, a textbook example of the “red herring” logical fallacy.

          Now that I think of it, there is another possible interpretation: you are full of shit.

    • Some would say “God” is evil or an evil “God” and your talking about recent monotheistic gods who are supposed to be just, in fact lots of gods inflicted wrath as if they were the “Devil” whether there was a hell or not, especially conveniently on a nation’s enemy.

      • All that fucking matters is that these fucking bastards deserve to fucking die!!

        Who decides on who should die!!? Fucking me, that’s fucking who!!

        These retarded little fucks are disgusting in their very being.

        just you wait God.. just you fucking wait..

        • The effect on the tides may be negligible, but I wasn’t talking about the tides. The plates sit atop molten lava, and that is in constant motion. We don’t fully understand gravity yet, but anyone with a brain can recognize that if one liquid can be affected by the mass of a celestial body, then MAYBE another liquid could as well? It’s not like it has to be affected that much for it to be a determining factor.

          Seismologists may have predicted the size of this, but they didn’t know when. Perhaps then it’s not a coincidence that the moon’s proximity and this occurrence coincided. The reason they can’t say for sure is because they have no way of measuring it, and they’ve said as much. Honestly my sense tell me it has something to do with it. There are multiple factors of course, but discounting the moon is the mark of ignorance. Ancient civilizations mastered many things and predicted things via the motion of the moon and the stars. They weren’t wrong. We pretend we’re more intelligent because we have all these special bits of equipment that can detect things, yet we as a culture have forgotten how utterly connected everything is with everything else. Something they knew well. It’s because of that in part that I think we’re so blatantly ignorant about so much.

        • “fact that the moon was closer than it has been for something on the order of 50 years recently”

          Just wanted to point out that this is wrong, the “super moon” was still two weeks away. At the time of the quake, the moon was on average a little farther away from the planet than usual.

        • [quote]The thing is, everything happens under the knowledge of higher spirit.[/quote]
          False. That being would have to be more complex than the universe itself, which means it would have to contain more matter/energy than it, which is physically impossible to exist within our universe. And anything that exists outside our universe is beyond our ability to detect, which means that you wouldn’t know about it.

          Either a “god” does not exist, or it exists, but the stories you’ve made up about it are completely unrelated to it’s existence.

          As for the rest of your pseudo-science bullshit, I assume false until you give me a respectable peer-reviewed source.

        • It’s probably just a coincidence. It’s hard to believe that the Moon’s gravity has an effect on solid substances like it has on water masses. Of course some occurs, but it is greatly minimized by friction and the sheer mass of the continental plates.

          Besides, seismologists had predicted this particular quake for several years. They knew roughly where, but not when. In which case it’s obvious that they didn’t count in the Moon’s position when making their calculations and the calculations were on the mark.

        • A lot of them are just extraordinarily ignorant… I LOL’d big time when I saw the the white evangelical stats, sounds just about right.

          Think you can pretty much sum it up them up with three terms: scared, pissed off at the world, and ignorant.

          29% of USA: “Quake is Divine Retribution Against Japan”
          Ya, and just about 30% of the country are right-wing Republicans too, coincidence? That’s probably the base of the Republican party (cough… Tea Party) right there.

        • I agree…..but then again people say that Obama is Satan incarnate. And Justin Beiber is the Anti-Christ….LOLz

          As for “natural disasters” falling under “divine punishment”; that is just plain stupidity. People (Americans) forget that over 50% of out cars and electronics come from Japan (Playstation, Nintendo Wii/ Gameboy / DS/ 3-DS, Computers, Laptops, cellphones, etc)

          So yeah. It just shows you how stupid most Americans are. 🙁

        • The thing is, everything happens under the knowledge of higher spirit. The problem is the word ‘God’ is too unconsciously and connotatively assigned to ‘a bearded dickhead in the sky.’

          God isn’t a human wizard, it’s a power beyond that of human emotional logic. It does not think like a human in terms of vengeance and punishment. All religions agree to that when they’re not being stupid.

          Considering it’s being proven time and time again these days that humans affect the electromagnetic field of the planet by our presence and actions, and that we are in fact all ‘children of god’ in the sense that we all are part of god based on most religions’ perceptions, then yes, it’s our own will subconsciously that this occur.

          We could pay attention to the fact that the moon was closer than it has been for something on the order of 50 years recently, and considering the moon is what affects our tides, you can also easily imagine the rest of the planet would feel some gravitational pull greater than it usually does. So the tectonic plates probably felt a greater ‘celestial pull’ and therefore the circumstances aligned to give us a giant quake in a place that has been known for centuries as one of the worst places for quakes on the planet.

          So by that logic, ‘divine will’ can fit, as the will of the celestial bodies was to come closer to earth and cause great gravitational force.

  • As some one from the US I can only imagine that the 1000 people surveyed all live in the same small town and and most likely all related though not married since its illegal to marry your sister.

  • Guys you should take a closer look to how they got to 29%.
    Taken from the questionnaire:
    b. God sometimes punishes nations of some of its citizens
    13% Completely agree
    c. Natural disasters are God’s way of testing our faith
    16% Completely agree

    RESULT: God punishes nations for sins of citizens 29%!
    BRILLIANT. 16% + 13% sums up to 29%!

    Wait….. Wouldn’t the same 13% of b, also agree with c? NAAHHHH.

    • Or..
      b. God sometimes punishes nations of some of its citizens
      13% Completely agree
      16% Mostly agree
      ___
      13% Completely agree + 16% Mostly agree = 29% believe such disasters are actually divine punishment from God.

      Oh well. My bad.

      • Your point about looking at the survey is still valid. The survey didn’t actually ask if people believe that natural disasters are punishment and I don’t think you can credibly infer how many people believed that from the questions that were asked.

        The other interesting bit from the survey: 90% of people believed that it was at least a bit important (42% very, 41% somewhat, 7% not too) to provide “significant financial assistant to nations like Japan that have suffered from major natural disasters”. That doesn’t really jibe with the idea that the quake is punishment from God.

  • As expected from a country where the majority of people are herded like livestock by their government and religious bodies.
    I bet that a lot of the less retarded Americans will be put place their face at their palm after reading that article.

        • There will be no fourth time i’m afraid, the spam filter keeps on stopping my posts.

          Just read my posts carefully if you still don’t understand you retard.

          also, you are welcome for this short but highly influencing debate – for you that is.

          i am sure you will want to thank me sometime in the future.

        • You are the one misunderstanding my point your retard!!! This is why I hate discussing this issue with dogmatic buffoons – think to yourself slowly if it helps.

          Accountability is solely a human creation! It is an emergent phenomena that was fashioned by the relations between humans.

          Imagine a man living by himself in an area isolated from other humans. What would he be accountable for? What crimes would he commit? What evil would he do?

          Now imagine that the man enters a society. Certainly at the beginning he would not be accountable for anything, but as he learns the societies particular rights and wrongs he would come to be held accountable.

          When he learns what it means to steal, he would from then one, know that if he steals he is a thief.

          I am not seeking to blame someone!!!!!! <- note this fucking point you fucking retard!!

          Blame =/= Accountability

          Accountability refers to fucking holding someone to account for their fucking actions you fucking retard!!!

          Blame is when you hold someone ultimately responsible for their actions.

          Accountability is basically – you committed a crime.

          Blame is basically – you are at fault for committing a crime.

          I hope I won't have to fucking repeat myself a fourth time you retard!!

          Actually think about the issue yourself and not rely on what some retarded philosophers have taught you to think.

        • Dude are you an idiot? You need to check up on your reading comprehension I already Told You that “God” should be held accountable and not people if there is no free will. I’m glad your able to type posts without saying ‘fucking’ every single sentence, but understand this loud and clear won’t you:

          GOD MAKE PEOPLE KILL OTHER PEOPLE, IF THERE IS NO “FREE WILL”, THEN THEY ARE NOT ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS, ONLY GOD SHOULD BE.

          What in the hell, do you not understand after reading that???

        • do i have to repeat myself. i am not seeking to blame them, i am seeking to hold them accountable.

          when there is a preagreed rule and someone breaks that rule, they have broken the rule. this fact does not change.

          when a human understands what it means to be a coward, and watches as his friend gets beaten up hiding away in the bushes, he knows that he is a being a coward!

          i am not saying he is blameworthy for being a coward. i am simply saying – he is a coward.

          and if you have followed till here: now that he knows what it means to be a coward, and acts cowardly, i can say that he knows that he is a coward.

          and now i can react to his cowardliness in whatever way i will.

          if he were a criminal, and i a lawyer. i can say he is a criminal.

          i don’t care if he is blameworthy – that is for the judge to worry about.

          i am simply saying he is a criminal.

          i can describe this using robots if you really care about all that superflous blah blah.

        • Even if he understands what he is doing is wrong in whatever society and actually cares or not. If there is is no personal will of his own to command his own actions, not even a super powerful robot can go against his coding.
          So no, simple really – If free will doesn’t truly exist then no one should be blamed or hold accountable except the puppeteer, the programmer, the controller, the one that gives orders, the one that makes us fucking dance to his holy finger tips.

        • I fucking know about all this retarded bull you little shit. >notice that i isolated blame from accountability?

          do i blame a theif for being a thief? why would i? like i said, i agree he does not have free will and thus cannot be held absolutely responsible for his actions. a theif steals because he obtains something from stealing – were he in another contextual situation would he need to steal? to obtain that which he lacked?

          but i am not seeking to blame someone! i am seeking to hold them accountable for their actions.

          is he rational? does he understand that he is murdering someone? does he understand what it means to be a murderer – does he understand that he will be held to account for his actions?

          of course!

          and that by itself gives me enough to hold him accountable for his actions.

          you can argue about pointless things with the rest of you worthless buggers!

          i only care about things that actually matter. free will is insignificant.

          also if anyone gets an ‘eureka’ moment from this and decides to write something about this in their thesis..

          cite – Handsome

          k?

        • If God programs all our actions, thus having no free will of our own, then no. We should not be hold accountable for anything and God is an evil son of a bitch puppeteering for his enjoyment.

          Would you prosecute a robot for killing someone or the programmer who used the robot as a proxy tool to kill someone??

        • Let me ask you this, a God who decides everything we do, why doesn’t he or it simply command us all to be good or whatever he wants us to be or behave? Methinks god seems more like a schizophrenic manipulative bipolar 8 year old that doesn’t know what it wants.

        • Do we need fucking free will? What the fuck is so great about this fucking shitty thing?

          A fucking bastard that knows what it means to be a fucking bastard and fucking acts like a fucking bastard is a fucking bastard.

          Do you know what it means to steal??

          When you fucking steal, you fucking know what you are fucking doing, and guess what??

          That fucking means you are fucking accountable for you fucking actions.

          Does that mean however, that you have free will? Does that mean you are a fucking free entity by yourself??

          Of course not. Everything that you are has never been your own. You are a component of this fucking reality, and you fucking are fucking influenced by it. Your thoughts, your actions, the entirity of your being has never been in your control.

          but why does that matter?? eh? you are still fucking you – the fucking collection of fucking information that you fucking are – your values, your experiences, your beliefs, even all the meat on your very bone?

          You are not to blame for your actions after all, were this another another place, another time, another reality would it be so wrong to steal.. but that doesn’t fucking matter because you can fucking be held accountable for your fucking actions.

          YOU are still you, and YOU still have a say in how you will live your fucking life.

          welcome to reality you fucking fuck!!

  • While I don’t usually hold this site as a bastion of fair news reporting, your title is misleading. Americans saying they believe the quake is divine punishment, is not the same as “divine punishment against Japan”. These people believe that as a whole humanity is being punished, not that God is singling out Japs.

    • 29% of Americans believe that natural disasters are punishments from a god due to the sins of the citizens.

      Japan was hit by a natural disaster.

      Therefore, 29% of Americans believe that a god punished Japan.

      Never a miscommunication.

    • demonhaseo says:

      I would like to hence forth say this right now… I have NOTHING to do with this poll nor these barbaric baboons who responded in such a manner to it. And if I can… I would like to get their house addresses so I can take me boom stick and shove it up their asses before pulling the trigger.

  • If it were a divine retribution then it wouldn’t of taken the lives of the innocent. And even if so I’m sure there were christian believers who’s lives were taken. Of course those would argue they were just sacrificial lambs that are going to a better place. If god were to clean house then it would of been a repeat of the great flood. Not just a small portion of the world. I’m not a religious person but I do find the stories somewhat amusing and interesting and how many don’t even practice it and are quick to judge and blindly call things beyond their control a miracle or an act of god just so others will flock to them and ask for guidance.