I never liked magical girl genre, but I think I'll try this out. ^_^ This looks pretty interesting and breaks out from the normal moe shits in mahou shoujo stories.
Seriously though, I just want to ascertain what exactly one means when 'moe' is used.
The meaning of the word varies so much that it's hard to understand what one means when the term is used. It could refer to the overly cute character designs, silly antics, 'lack of plot'... all the way to the 'urge to protect' (which is the very case here), the 'feeling of being a big brother' and even Lolicon bait.
It would be best if you actually specified what it is about the genera you don't like.
Well, let's explore the meanings of "Moe", shall we?
Moe of course coming from the verb "Moeru" which means "to bud" or "budding". However that used to only mean in the context of plants, like a rose bud (although it is still used in that context as well). However the "Moe" were talking about also has connections with another "Moeru", this particular one meaning "to burn". But this "to burn" implies more along the lines of a "burning passion" or an intense like or drive. Watch any Shounen fighting or sports Anime and one of the characters are bound to say "Moeru zo!" or "Moeru ze!" at some point in time.
So knowing these 2 things, we can asertain that the true and correct meaning of "Moe" in the sense of Anime and Manga are concerned, is a growing, intense, passion or like of something or someone. Nothing more, nothing less. Often "Moe" manifests itself as an "urge to protect" as Actar has already said. This being that the "intense passion or intrest" is coming from the intrest in the character's safety and wellbeing. Moe allows you to be able to worry for a character, hence the "passion or interest" and hence the feelings of "Moe". Cuteness can also create a simmilar feeling, because it's something you want to have, hence the "passion or interest", etc, etc...
However there are very important things to note. Since "Moe" depends on PERSONAL passion and interest, there is no one garanteed method of inducing a person's "Moe". True, bussiness savvy studios have over time created characters "More likely to induce Moe" (Others just incorrectly call such types "Moe Characters"), but not everyone's interests and tastes are the same. To western Otaku, Azumanga Daioh is often not seen as being very "Moe" at all, and if they did, they would most likely find "Moe" from Sakaki. However to Japanese Otaku, Azumanga is seen as being quite "Moe", with Osaka garnering the most "Moe" (you don't win the 2002 Saimoe awards for nothing). Also Japanese Otaku find Saeko of HOTD "Moe", while most Western Otaku find her sexy, but not particularly Moe. Point is, there is no definite way to make your audience "Moe" for your characters, therefore terms like "the Moe genre" are incorrect because that would imply everyone had the exact same interests.
Not to mention the term "Moe genre" is incorrect for other reasons as well. Feelings of "Moe" are mostly generated from characterization and art style. With this in mind, it is idiotic and silly to name a genre after a character trait. The "Anti-Hero genre"? The "Magnificent Bastard genre"? Those characters can appear in any genre. For Magnificent Bastards, Lelouche appears in a drama, political intrigue action Mecha, and Souma appears in a slice of life comedy known as Working!! "Moe-trait Characters" can also be in any genre as well. Puella Magi Madoka Magica proves that quite well. Rei Ayanami, possibly the original "Moe Character", also proves quite well "Moe" can be in any genre. It can play in Index, Railgun and Bakemonogatari just as well as it can in Lucky Star, K-ON and Working!! The Idea of a "Moe Character" is dubious by itself (as that would imply everyone found the same thing "Moe", when the reality is that it's characters "more likely to induce Moe), but the term "Moe genre" is just as incorrect a term as the "Animation genre" in the west.
The true problem here is the incorrect usage of the term. the term "Moe" has become bogged down with unessisary baggage and untrue meanings. "Moe" is just a feeling of happiness, deriving from the intense "passion or interest". Even for those who claim to hate "Moe", you have felt it before, I know you have. It is a natural extention of human passion, and our ability to love something. "Moe" is not something to be shunned, it is a beautiful thing that should be celebrated, as it can be found anywhere, from any genre and from anybody, which then brings us a brief moment of happiness in our too short lives. You have felt it before, you just haven't accepted it yet.
Kyubey is an evil, illegal recruiter. He is recruiting lolis by promising wishes but in return demands them their life/body. I want to kill Kyubey for decreasing the loli population!
Man I be getting some DEAD SPACE chills here! All that creature needed to do next was to insert a parasite thing to run the decapitated body! Pure awesome possibilities of brain Fucking to the two little delusional girls there!
i wont be suprised if madoka used her wish to revive mami.
anyone besides me happy that this magical girl anime is kick ass and hardcore with really good plot :D
there are way too many theories on this, guys. what's worse is that there's something in each following episode that boosts at least one mami resurrection theory..
don't worry guys, she'll come back as a necromorph
Wish Granted
What, the ghost thing ate her? Mahou shoujou deff isn't my cup of tea so no idea what the "problem" is..
The problem is that she GOT HER GODDAMN HEAD BIT OFF
or a mahou shoujo zombie
. . . or Rottie Tops
I think you mean Masou Shoujo
"don't worry guys, she'll come back as a necromorph"
Probably as this, wearing a magical girl outfit:
http://deadspace.wikia.com/wiki/The_Ubermorph
-Azure Xuchilbara
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Ah, the life of a Mahou Shoujo...
Everything is fun & games until a witch CUTS YOUR HEAD OFF!!! Õ_o
... better luck next time, Mami u.u
^^^^^^^^^^
sarcasm
^^ MADDY BADDY
Another example of why this series is head and shoulders above the rest of the genre.
I never liked magical girl genre, but I think I'll try this out. ^_^ This looks pretty interesting and breaks out from the normal moe shits in mahou shoujo stories.
Care to explain what do you mean by 'normal moe shits'? In my opinion, Madoka is plenty moe.
Seriously though, I just want to ascertain what exactly one means when 'moe' is used.
The meaning of the word varies so much that it's hard to understand what one means when the term is used. It could refer to the overly cute character designs, silly antics, 'lack of plot'... all the way to the 'urge to protect' (which is the very case here), the 'feeling of being a big brother' and even Lolicon bait.
It would be best if you actually specified what it is about the genera you don't like.
yeah but for the looks of it (i havent seen it yet but from this probably will) it kills its moe characters.
Well, let's explore the meanings of "Moe", shall we?
Moe of course coming from the verb "Moeru" which means "to bud" or "budding". However that used to only mean in the context of plants, like a rose bud (although it is still used in that context as well). However the "Moe" were talking about also has connections with another "Moeru", this particular one meaning "to burn". But this "to burn" implies more along the lines of a "burning passion" or an intense like or drive. Watch any Shounen fighting or sports Anime and one of the characters are bound to say "Moeru zo!" or "Moeru ze!" at some point in time.
So knowing these 2 things, we can asertain that the true and correct meaning of "Moe" in the sense of Anime and Manga are concerned, is a growing, intense, passion or like of something or someone. Nothing more, nothing less. Often "Moe" manifests itself as an "urge to protect" as Actar has already said. This being that the "intense passion or intrest" is coming from the intrest in the character's safety and wellbeing. Moe allows you to be able to worry for a character, hence the "passion or interest" and hence the feelings of "Moe". Cuteness can also create a simmilar feeling, because it's something you want to have, hence the "passion or interest", etc, etc...
However there are very important things to note. Since "Moe" depends on PERSONAL passion and interest, there is no one garanteed method of inducing a person's "Moe". True, bussiness savvy studios have over time created characters "More likely to induce Moe" (Others just incorrectly call such types "Moe Characters"), but not everyone's interests and tastes are the same. To western Otaku, Azumanga Daioh is often not seen as being very "Moe" at all, and if they did, they would most likely find "Moe" from Sakaki. However to Japanese Otaku, Azumanga is seen as being quite "Moe", with Osaka garnering the most "Moe" (you don't win the 2002 Saimoe awards for nothing). Also Japanese Otaku find Saeko of HOTD "Moe", while most Western Otaku find her sexy, but not particularly Moe. Point is, there is no definite way to make your audience "Moe" for your characters, therefore terms like "the Moe genre" are incorrect because that would imply everyone had the exact same interests.
Not to mention the term "Moe genre" is incorrect for other reasons as well. Feelings of "Moe" are mostly generated from characterization and art style. With this in mind, it is idiotic and silly to name a genre after a character trait. The "Anti-Hero genre"? The "Magnificent Bastard genre"? Those characters can appear in any genre. For Magnificent Bastards, Lelouche appears in a drama, political intrigue action Mecha, and Souma appears in a slice of life comedy known as Working!! "Moe-trait Characters" can also be in any genre as well. Puella Magi Madoka Magica proves that quite well. Rei Ayanami, possibly the original "Moe Character", also proves quite well "Moe" can be in any genre. It can play in Index, Railgun and Bakemonogatari just as well as it can in Lucky Star, K-ON and Working!! The Idea of a "Moe Character" is dubious by itself (as that would imply everyone found the same thing "Moe", when the reality is that it's characters "more likely to induce Moe), but the term "Moe genre" is just as incorrect a term as the "Animation genre" in the west.
The true problem here is the incorrect usage of the term. the term "Moe" has become bogged down with unessisary baggage and untrue meanings. "Moe" is just a feeling of happiness, deriving from the intense "passion or interest". Even for those who claim to hate "Moe", you have felt it before, I know you have. It is a natural extention of human passion, and our ability to love something. "Moe" is not something to be shunned, it is a beautiful thing that should be celebrated, as it can be found anywhere, from any genre and from anybody, which then brings us a brief moment of happiness in our too short lives. You have felt it before, you just haven't accepted it yet.
Anyone here who would like to make a thesis/dissertation about 'moe'?
@ VillainousHanacha: Oh my, that one of the most brilliantly articulated and unbiased piece on 'Moe' that I have seen. (^.^)
With your permission, I would very much like to use it. (^.^;)
@Actar
You want to use it!? I didn't think it was that good!?
Well, if you want to use it, be my guest! I'd be happy if someone like you would use the "essay" of sorts I wrote.
I only have one one condition. Please credit my name as the one who wrote it. VillainousHanacha or VillainHana will do.
But please, if you want to use it, go right ahead!
At least for once the lead girl looks creepy rather than moe. XD
your crazy
Do not let the cover mislead you, innocent girls.
LOL I remember people were trying to argue after ep. 3 that Mami wasn't proven to be killed and might still be alive
I'd say she's as good as dead now ;)
tis but a scratch
It's just a flesh wound!
just slap a band-aid on it
If that's what you'd like to call decapitation Megi, death must be a prolonged coma state for you ^^
LOL MONTY PYTHON!!
Pft.. you don't need to waste a wish! simply just PHOENIX DOWN!!.. (places hand in bag) ..Sure, ill just.. quickly buy some from the magic shop...
Just lick the wound.
Everything it's fixed with some herbs or a first aid you know...
Also is the manga translated?
I shall taunt you with MEH HORRIBUL FURENCH AKKCENT!
tis but a flesh wound
Alright, we'll call it a draw.
Head off! but a Flesh Wound?
This is merely a setback!
Nah dude she's just faking it
she is the true boss :hehe:
True ending boss:
http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost.php?p=5601215&postcount=2870 [http://forums.spacebattles.com/showpost.php?p=5601215&postcount=2870]
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Kyubey is an evil, illegal recruiter. He is recruiting lolis by promising wishes but in return demands them their life/body. I want to kill Kyubey for decreasing the loli population!
Man I be getting some DEAD SPACE chills here! All that creature needed to do next was to insert a parasite thing to run the decapitated body! Pure awesome possibilities of brain Fucking to the two little delusional girls there!
No way, but her head will grow back just like Namekians such as Piccolo from DBZ.
i wont be suprised if madoka used her wish to revive mami.
anyone besides me happy that this magical girl anime is kick ass and hardcore with really good plot :D
yeah, and she will go on a journey around the world finding the lost head?
What if she wishes her back to life, but because she wasn't specific, Mami revives still decapitated?
there are way too many theories on this, guys. what's worse is that there's something in each following episode that boosts at least one mami resurrection theory..
I bet there will be a hay cart driving scene in the future.
It's not too bad. Let's not lose our heads over this (snicker).
But really, I was all sadfrog.jpg the first time I saw this happen.
she will be back when madoka became MS as part of her contract. The show became more yuri than any MS show.
ah =====spoilers=====
has her soul gem been found or destroyed? if not destroyed ref to ep 6 and she might come back....
@Ryan Saotome
your evil
don`t worry. i`m sure all of them will be ressurected in the last episode just like Mai-HiME
:lol:
Too late? I want more Mami NOW.
Fatality !