Final Fantasy XIII-2 Announced

Lightning looks good in that armor. I approve. I can't help it. D:

I hope the 2 will have a better story than XIII.

Looks looks like a pretty action game there.

again it looks good but its just going to be another disappointment. another fail in the making.

Hopefully XIII-2 will be something like the gameplay of X-2 w/ a not so shitty story.

All I ask is for Lightning's armor to be in Dissidia 012.

And Lightning gets manlier. Ah, well. I'll be getting it. Gotta be better than X-2. And FINALLY. Some gameplay for Versus! Honestly, I don't like the main character though... the whole thing looks like some visual kei-influenced mess. I can already see the voice actors lining up... Gackt, Gackt, Gackt, and Gackt. I don't mind it being an action RPG as long as it's not too close to Kingdom Hearts.

(Not saying Gackt is vk. Don't kill me.)

Noctis looks cool but that one hand glove ala MJ looks ridiculous. And the gameplay looks like a combination of Kingdom Hearts with Dynasty Warrior and Monster Hunter, in other words, not to my liking.

Please don't let FFXIII-2 be an actual sequel, please...this is pretty much wishful thinking at this point, guess they don't plan to fix what essentially was FFXIII, guess I will play the sequel even though I haven't played the first game...

FFXIII Versus is something I might look forward to & most likely won't look forward to, I just might not, or I just might...hmm...

Oh boy here we go.

@Lawdence Codye

"Please don't let FFXIII-2 be an actual sequel..."

"...even though I haven't played the first game."

Stop. Now. I cannot stand this level of stupidity and ignorance. It's not even about FFXIII being a good game or a bad game anymore, it never really was. It was about so many idiots saying exactly that same thing. And yes, that does include the people who stopped after a few hours because they didn't find it appealing.

If they did, that's fine, but they have absolutely no right to speak on anything except the words "I just hope they make it more engrossing earlier on this time so I will find myself more interested in continuing... but now that there's a sequel, I may want to understand what could could lead to one by giving it a second shot." Because that's the only thing they themselves have any experience with.

Otherwise, they're just spouting other peoples' words and proving they're are nothing more than a sheep. Mindless, pointless, useless sheep who spouts the same negativity and stupidity that is going to be the legacy of our increasingly sedentary and stagnant generation. The saddest part is nobody but the people who actually finished it and saw how beautifully assembled it was, even including its flaws, can understand that it's not even that I'm wanting people to laud it as some incredible achievement. They just hear 'fanboy,' say as much in some form of jab, and prove exactly what I said at the beginning of this paragraph.

@HouseLife

ok, we get it, you like FFXIII, you like SE, and you know to counter-argument, even if it doesn't have anything to do with the main point (kinda like i'm doing right now), but please, get a hint, go outside of your little box and see this whole situation from another perspective...

is FFXIII a good game? Yes! is FFXIII a good RPG and FF game? HELL NO! i can barely call it an RPG, google for RPG definition and see for yourself if you can consider this a RPG, then go back and play all the others FF games and see for yourself how they work in terms of core mechanics... finally check how each and every one of them does every single RPG definition

when you are done realize how little they've done represent the RPG definition and to give this game any depth, remember, games are supposed to be entertaining, if i wanted such guided gameplay i would watch a movie, and those have far better stories than ff13...

did SE gave us ANY reason to believe FF13-2 is going to be any better? are you that innocent to believe in their words? it's bullshit after bullshit and you keep believing in them? do you remember the images from the chocobo farm in ff13 that never got in the game? go see their reason for cutting out that shit out of the game and tell me if you believe them now knowing that they are going for a sequel...

FFXIII is exactly what they wanted it to be, a pretty easy game that caters to everyone with fingers on their hands and likes pretty renders on their screen...

Very well, I'll follow your advice.

"RPG, role-playing game
–noun
a game in which participants adopt the roles of imaginary characters in an adventure under the direction of a Game Master."

This type of definition has never changed, except change Game Master to Director here. As I've said countless times, yet few people wish to actually think and/or listen about reality outside their perceptions: it was your EXPECTATIONS which ruined the game. There was absolutely nothing about FFXIII that was not a role-playing game in the standard definition that has existed from day one. Everyone's CONNOTATIVE definition changed, and that changes from person to person.

What you have come to expect is the ability to explore and do erroneous things that has little to do with the actual plot, or really the actual gameplay of the game most of the time if you think about it. It is there to help you connect to the world and characters a little more, nothing else. What you seek is the illusion of expansiveness, something I also pointed out. In every case it's an illusion. Daggerfall is the only one to really push that illusion, but that was still an illusion.

And the reason for believing FFXIII-2 will be better? Actually only a completely jaded person who thinks the world is out to get them would believe otherwise based on all the information about it. I'm also a game designer, I know the politics of it. I also know the way game designers feel about what they do (the good ones at least), especially in the big boy companies. SquareEnix being one of them. Actually they're already proving it by making a sequel as far as I'm concerned. If you think about it, their one success with it was some relatively memorable characters and a very well designed lore system (even if the way they told it sucked).

Now with the resources already in place for a strong start, they can bolster their strengths, and adapt their weaknesses into strengths. Something I can tell you from personal experience is a daily, even hourly thing they go through for years at a time.

so you are a game-designer as well? funny i am too, and i simply get amazed of all the things you say, in fact next time you go to wikipedia for the definition of RPG be sure to check if you are reading the table top definition or the video-games definition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role-playing_video_game

see the whole characteristics section, maybe it'll enlighten your game-design skills...

i feel sorry for you...

I used the dictionary definition from Dictionary.com. It still hasn't changed. And did you even read what you told me to read?

"Generally, the player controls a small number of game characters, usually called a party, and achieves victory by completing a series of quests."

Check.

"Players explore a game world, while solving puzzles and engaging in tactical combat."

Check. Don't pretend because everyone loved the word 'linear' that you weren't exploring a game world.

"A key feature of the genre is that characters grow in power and abilities, and characters are typically designed by the player."

Check, give or take the western/MMO spin on the end.

"These games usually have a highly developed story and setting, which is divided into a number of quests."

Check. What, did you think it specified 'tons of side quests' in order to be an RPG? Chapters can also be referred to as quests by the way, and plus, there WERE side quests. As I've said countless times, it simply didn't meet many peoples' expectations.

"Players control one or several characters by issuing commands, which is performed by the character at an effectiveness determined by that character's numeric attributes. These attributes increase each time a character gains a level, and a character's level goes up each time the player accumulates a certain amount of experience."

Check yet again.

I won't go over the rest, as it's all there. Obviously you didn't read it at all with any thought whatsoever. And the fact that a supposed game designer used wikipedia for an argument in explanation of game design already speaks wildly for your understanding of your craft.

you're funny, you know that?

i know a guy just like you, he doesn't care if he's right or wrong, he only cares to make his arguments valid in order to make him LOOK right

obviously we aren't having a discussion here, we are just playing with semantics, we are only picking up each other arguments and use them in our own convenience, it's a pretty neat skill though

1st - if you really dislike wikipedia, why did you give in to the trouble of reading it, in fact why did you even went to find for a definition on another site and even explain it? which one is better? because i told you so? do you admit you don't have your own definition? if i shouldn't be using wikipedia as a game designer, why did you bother? convenient, isn't it? ;)

2nd - i'm gonna do exactly what you do, picking up your own argument and use it against you, cool huh? here it is: you talk so much about people expectations as if it were a bad thing or something, don't they reflect what the target audience wants? when someone buys a RPG, a RTS, a FPS or whatever other genre don't they ALWAYS have some kind of expectations? yeah... of course they do, thats why he group things together and create categories from them, in this case, RPG is just one of those categories where you are supposed to find certain characteristics of video-games

3rd - oh! aren't you smart! :] you just conveniently went to each text and replied accordingly to what was typed, assuming it was all true, and ignoring everything that wasn't there but both of us know every RPG has it, oh man! and i thought wikipedia was always wrong!! guess what, ff13 doesn't have exploration :O OMG! am i pretending? should i look for a definition of what exploration means and shove it up your ass? maybe then you will realize the difference between moving and exploring... oh look! you even ignored the word "choose" in wikipedias definition, oh man, now how do i'm going to explain you the importance of choosing how to level up, how to fight, how to experience any game basically... so much for the word interactivity... don't you just love having a predefined path for EVERYTHING in ff13? man even level up is funny, there's so many options to choose from, like .... ONE! ... now, how i'm going to defeat this monster?
oh i know, i use libra and learn how to break him, then every single one of these are fought in this manner, i'm SOOOO smart, this is game is cool man, so.... challenging... and the story? man, just uau, never seen a distopia-save-the-world setting before in my LIFE, so.... original

i have a new theory, you work for SE don't you? thats the only plausible explanation for your whoring out sessions you always do here whenever we talk about ff13

Would you rather I had given no credence whatsoever to your argument in the slightest? I like how you attempted to make me an idiot for listening to you, it's actually pretty impressive. I could have left your wikipedia usage as useless, but I listened to your point and found the flaws in it, as you found a few in mine.

It is a plausible explanation that someone for the company would defend it, or perhaps I'm so sick of hearing whiny gamers define games as either 'awesome' or 'shit' with no perception of the in between. Think carefully how often you've heard something like "It was actually pretty good, not the greatest, but I liked it" in someone's description of a game these days, especially on the internet. Granted it depends who you hang around with, but seriously consider it.

All my arguments are with the intention of enhancing perspective of the increasingly black-and-white perception of gamers in general. It's the effect of having so many games that they start shelving them mentally, but if I'm able to give credit where credit is due, then I know everyone else is capable of it. I'm sick of the negativity, completely sick of it, as it really isn't necessary to also cause companies to listen to issues.

FFXIII is merely the recent vessel of the argument. There are many that get this 'write off' mentality without even recognizing the strengths. Yes, it was a good game, without question. Was it a great game? Depends on your perspective. But to write off such an impressive creation is the mark of a spoiled brat, nothing more. If you're a game designer, you too can easily find the strengths in it.

I'm known for being an FFXIII 'apologist' or whatever stupid term people may want to use because I'm not one to follow the negative and ignorant who seem to think they're actually saying anything worthwhile by wrapping up their stupidity into meaningless statements like 'but FFXIII is terrible/shit/whatever,' It just just simply isn't a bad RPG to anyone who actually knows what the word 'objective' means. Wonderful graphics, solid setting, and considering the archetypes used, rather good characters. I won't go over the flaws, because half of them aren't really flaws, and the other half have been gone over at length.

I've never ignored the flaws, yet everyone who's so intent on being right that FFXIII was terrible with no possibility of reprieve never pay attention to the fact that I never called it perfect.