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Strike Witches creator and general loli pantsu mangaka par excellence Fumikane Shimada has expressed his disapproval with the oft-repeated argument that censorship of ero-manga will increase sex crimes.

Fumikane on the “catharsis” argument that porn reduces sex crime:

“I cannot abide the ero-manga catharsis theory – treating all ero-manga readers as potential sex criminals is not something I like.”

This is the argument that otaku are latent sex fiends and all that keeps them from raping little girls is the ready availability of such esteemed lolicon publications as  LO. Ban their manga, and you unleash these perverts on your children, imply the advocates of this position.

Even such great mangaka as Kentaro Miura have fallen into the trap of espousing this hideous argument, his great mind perhaps dulled by too many hours spent idol fancying.

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That great hive of actual sex criminals weighs in on the topic with its usual insight:

“Show me a human who isn’t a potential sex criminal!”

“It’s right – otaku are potential sex offenders. Take away their manga and they’ll start raping little girls.”

“It’s more like this:

Hysterical pro-censorship types: ‘It increases sex crimes so it should be banned!’

Clever censorship opponents: ‘There’s no data to support that hypothesis and no scientific basis to think that it would increase sex crimes.’

Normal censorship opponents: ‘Banning it may increase the number of rapes!’

Idiot censorship opponents: ‘Ban it and you’ll cause more rapes!'”

The “catharsis” argument is of course not only without any basis in fact, it also plays straight into the hands of censorship advocates by conceding that the ranks of the group being targeted are indeed filled with deviants and criminals, just as censorship advocates were shrieking all along.

It is for this reason that those defending murder simulators, the devil’s music and all the debauchery of the printed word are rarely caught saying their medium is all that is stopping more of their ranks from unleashing their murderous impulses on society.

It is hard to see why any ero-manga fans would not be well served by adopting the same position and refusing to acknowledge any supposed connection between their favoured art-form and the prevention or promotion of sex crimes.


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    Comment by Anonymous
    15:53 13/01/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    But statics don't lie. Japan has one if the lowest rates of sex crimes in the world. Why is that I wonder...

    Comment by Anonymous

    You'd be surprised how low crime rates can get when cops don't record everything they receive reports of... Not that that means they are anywhere near what would be considered high in most areas.

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    Comment by Girla PurpleHeart
    16:12 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, I dunno about the security over there, but I've never been to Japan before.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:53 13/01/2011 # ! Good (+0.8)

    I have, and the closest thing I ever saw to "violent crime" was some guy leaving his trash in the basket of a bicycle...
    That's not to say it doesn't happen, people sacrifice body parts to yakuza bosses, but on the whole in public? Not in Tokyo proper (to my experience, at least).

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    Comment by Lurkerman
    06:11 14/01/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    You know, I just thought of something. Why DO we use the catharsis argument? Seriously,it demonizes the very thing it tries to protect, especially since; as this above argument alone shows, there is a relatively obvious argument with a far more positive reasoning. Most People who look at Ero-manga are just NOT DANGEROUS. Think about it; If the Catharsis argument were true, then we would have a terribly violent and gore happy society, because just think of all the violence displayed on TV. Catharsis might cool down ones willingness to commit atrocities, but it doesn't mean that a person wouldn't be just as vocal about the subject they are love. Just looking at the sales of the SAW movies, every teen would be a Sadistic serial killer. It's not that ero-manga is keeping the rapists at bay, it's that PEOPLE ARE NORMALLY SMART ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO DIFFERENTIATE FANTASY AND REALITY. ERO-MANGA SHOULDN'T BE BANNED NOT BECAUSE IT HELPS PREVENT SEX CRIMES, BUT BECAUSE IT HAS NO CONNECTION TO THEM. The people who seem to turn "violent" are those who were going to cause problems to begin with, like the people who speed despite road signs, and the art shouldn't be blamed, in the same way you wouldn't ban all brands of cereal a serial killer consumed, because it has little to nothing to do with WHY they committed the crimes.

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    Comment by bluecarrot
    12:57 14/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Long comment is very long. I do agree with most of what you said especially the fact that ero-manga and rape aren't really connected. That should be obvious but, whats obvious to the normal citizens is a politician/censorship groups favorite thing to pervert into some strange pretzel shaped mass of confusion.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:19 13/01/2011 # ! Drivel (-0.7)

    and its a culture with a lot of honor and shame elements, so confessing being a victim of rape must not be easy.

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    Comment by Tateha
    16:14 13/01/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Fumikane Shimada is right.

    By saying that ero loli content is all that is stopping rapes assumes already the worst from it's demographic. Once an association is made it's already a uphill if not un-winnable battle.

    The best way to combat any type of creative censorship is just that, approach it as an expression of creative freedom.

    Unfortunately in the case of Japan, this has hardly been working favorably as seen in the recent bans on anime, manga and games in Tokyo/japan...

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    Comment by Sylar
    19:27 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    Of course his right. The rape argument is only used by idiots. Unfortunately many otaku are just that.

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    Comment by Castronaut
    17:02 13/01/2011 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Censorship leads to repression, and a repressed society is an unsafe one.

    There, how about that?

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    Comment by chibblz
    15:48 13/01/2011 # ! Quality (+0.9)

    I just realized.. Banning ero manga's probably a secret plot to increase the population in Japan.. Increase in rape = more babies?

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:29 13/01/2011 # ! Good (+0.7)

    Lolis can't have babies.

    Comment by PhillB
    16:39 13/01/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    That would make perfect sense, but it's unlikely to work.

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    Comment by Yoshii-kun
    18:23 13/01/2011 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    But if that's what they want,..... =)

    Comment by John Hayabusa
    19:30 13/01/2011 # ! Good (+0.7)

    Well that's one way of increasing a country's population.

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    Comment by wahyudil
    00:54 14/01/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    I think it will become the reverse

    There will be no increase in sex crime rate like everyone have predicted ... They are otakus for God's sake ... Most of them are afraid to talk to (ordinary) people ...

    I believe SUICIDE will increase ...

    and even more baby born, more soul also will lost

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:16 14/01/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    @tninja
    quite right
    its a picturebook deductive fallacy
    whats more, the whole discussion about loli manga is riddled with fallacies and a general reluctance to use any solid data to support claims

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:42 14/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    So Japan is finally resorting to the duck method of reproduction, rape. interesting fact: ca. 60+% of all sex between ducks is rape.

    sure hope this isn't going to become that.

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    Comment by Eddyak
    00:03 14/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    You: "HURR DURR everyone who reads rape manga is the same?! Dumbasses."

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:54 25/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    ^that

    compounded with normal women being naturally cautious around otaku and we have ourselves the great population decline of japan

    ...seriously, if they need more sex, just ship some gaijin girl otaku into akihabara, see if they don't mate (be it legal or not).

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:09 15/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Rape rate will decline because we're attract to 2D

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    Comment by TNinja
    22:45 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Me: Manga prevents rape!
    Them: So you're telling me you're all rapist?
    Me: ... Babidiboo?

    How to respond? :V

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:15 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ero-manga is to supress the likelihood of raping bcos when reading it I can unleash my POWER! Lol!

    Comment by Dark Mage
    15:58 14/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    No one said the present leadership of Japan in recent years had any foresight or common sense.

    Rape babies are usually aborted and if you make abortions illegal they'll resort to falcon punches or coat hangers.
    At least that's what they did in the US before Roe vs Wade.

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    Comment by BlaqCat
    15:32 14/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    “Show me a human who isn’t a potential sex criminal!”

    ^ THIS ^

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    Comment by Mizushima 水島
    23:25 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    they could just ask me to help with the re-population lol

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:17 14/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    banning prostitution just to find increase in rape

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:57 15/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    LOL! It's like banning the Saw series would lead to people commiting mass violent murders because they can't see ppl being brutally killed in the cinema.

    I'll quote 2ch: “Show me a human who isn’t a potential sex criminal!” AND add my own contribution “Show me a human who isn’t a potential criminal!”

    Heh. Reason doesn't apply to this discussion though, fake moralism doesn't use any reasoning.

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    Comment by Some Guy
    00:07 17/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I believe the conspiracy runs deeper than this. Having come to the conclusion that many Japanese have become enlightened by the notion that 2D > 3D, the population of Japan has decreased because of the fact that it is impossible for a human to reproduce with a 2D character. For all those who wish Mio could have your children, you have my condolences.

    The plan that the Japanese government has come up with is to get rid of the material that shows these characters in an attractive way (whether that be super ero or just normal moe). Restricting such manga will keep young, developing boys from being exposed to attractiveness of 2D.

    The second part of this plan is to keep an abundance of ero 3D shows on television in an attempt to arouse these boys, and make them crave 3D women. They hypothesize that this will cause boys to become interested in real women, seek them out, and eventually have children with them, thus increasing Japan's population. Hopefully, this can be done within the next generation.

    The alternative to this plan would be to educate young, Japanese girls in the ways of being a moeblob. This will cause otaku to actively seek out 3D women who are very much like 2D women.

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    Comment by Hatsune Miku
    12:37 14/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    There would definitely be an increase in growth rate... *Bans Ero-Manga*, *Rape Begins*.

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    Comment by Pin
    21:26 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    It.... It all makes sense now.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:51 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    The main problem with that theory is that raping children (who can't get pregnant) would, in reality, most likely just create a generation of women afraid of sex and REDUCE the population.

    My theory is that it's actually a secret Chinese plot to remove the Japanese from existence.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:10 14/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    its a conspiracy... the Nihon Hikikomori Kyokai.

    think about it, NHK has made people into NEETs by feeding them ero-mangas and anime, making them become become socially withdrawn. Now they plan to finish them all off, by getting rid of the one thing they need/become depended on to survive, driving them mad to committing suicide.

    OMG just figured it out, the true face behind the Nihon Hikikomari Kyokai is CHINA.

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    Comment by Boozedimpulsegundam
    10:59 14/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Really? If you are going to commit suicide over anime porn. I think the genepool is better off without you.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:50 20/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    The problem is that 'raping children' is also used to describe having consensual sex with children.

    By the way, I have a cousin who was forcibly raped at 4.... the only thing it did was give her a more sexually free outlook and lead her to being sexually active of her own will 'early'.

    The fact is that most cases where women are 'afraid of sex' they have been brainwashed by their parents to think that sex is a 'bad' thing or after having consensual sex with adults, they are brainwashed into thinking that sex is 'bad' because it got their sex friend put into prison.

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    Comment by Sylar
    19:21 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    Obviously the Sankaku idiots didn't get what Fumikane Shimada was trying to say.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:51 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    since when idiots anywhere understand anything?

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    Comment by Sukudo
    22:09 13/01/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    @ Sylar are you reading the same comments? You do realize that those comments werent based on Fumikane Shimadas comment?

    First think then insult and after that get insulted.
    You shouldnt get 1 and 2 messed up.

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    Comment by Sylar
    23:10 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I know they weren't talking about what Fumikane said(which in it self is stupid since why are you commenting in an article without caring about the article itself) but still they seemed to ignore what he said and went ahead and did exactly what he was saying they shouldn't do.
    If they read the article even if they didn't want to talk about the essence of it they could have at least not have the stupidity to go ahead and jump and do exactly what created the article in the first place.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:19 14/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sylar why the FUCK do you even go on this site.

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    Comment by sumisumi
    17:14 13/01/2011 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    Eromanga makes me rape myself sometimes.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:26 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    I know what you mean, I can barely stand it.

    Every day I'm getting raped.

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    Comment by Yuki
    15:50 13/01/2011 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    D: URAGIRIMONO!! (屮゚Д゚)

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    Comment by Kitsunemimi6
    15:59 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Let's just say I agree with him & leave it at that, good going, Fumikane Shimada...

    Comment by John Hayabusa
    15:59 13/01/2011 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    The author speaks the truth! Stupid rotten ban!

    Btw, gotta love Lucchini's hot butt!!!

    Comment by John Hayabusa
    16:16 13/01/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    All we need now is for Hayao Miyazaki to express his disgust and displeasure about this heinous ban.

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    Comment by ItsDemo
    19:10 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    @not-racist2
    "assassinate" is a word used only for killing famous or important people. since ishihara doesn't fit into that category, I think the words you're look for is "just shoot that bitch faggot already"

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    Comment by Kitsunemimi6
    16:07 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hell, fuck it, way to go, Kentaro Miura...

    Stupid ass ban, your ruining both my childhood & my adulthood...

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    Comment by The REAL Lamberto
    16:43 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Someone should send 200 gay Koizumi Itsuki cosplayers to iShitHara and the entire government and rape every single one of those ugly bitches. FUCK THIS BULLSHIT BAN!!!

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    Comment by Uncommon0taku
    16:51 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    not sex criminals....

    We're afficianados of discerning tastes.

    Sex criminals are convicted (some inside and some outside) and are listed on a registry.

    Those of us who are stalked & monitored by the authorities. Know better than to cross the fine line.

    ^_^

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    Comment by HouseLife
    16:53 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Any correlation can be found if one seeks it. That's not even wisdom, it's simply that you can find do-loop logic all throughout anything that is emotion-based at the base functionality of humanity. I consider myself a lolicon because if you consider it consciously, lolicon manga is a play on all aspects of sexuality.

    The artist sexualizes the bodies most of the time (even when they don't they still exaggerate), inserting sleek hourglass forms and mature perceptions into the younger characters, and younger people don't usually have understanding about those situations, meanwhile these characters do. It becomes a game, a play on human sexuality, and most of the loli manga have that type of 'humour,' even in what would normally be considered rape scenarios. And of course there are those that simply involve sexualized bodies in much more dominated and sometimes even brutal situations with less of an overall humour to them, and yet the humour isn't in specific loli manga, it's in the idea. The very concept of a little girl coming on to someone in a forceful way is actually absurd, even if it does happen in real life, it all exists in the presence of absurdity.

    In fact it could very easily be correlated that loli manga is a sexual parody, regardless of its lighthearted or dramatic nature. Even if there are those who treat it too seriously and is all they look at and see nothing else, they still exist in a fantasy realm, a falsified parody that is at a constantly heightened level of humour.

    And as always, some of those may reach a point where they wish to test the boundaries of reality and fantasy, like so many children have done before them when they jump off a slide and think they can fly. Those people merely lacked lessons early in life, and they will feel the consequences.

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    Comment by Yoshii-kun
    18:55 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    “Show me a human who isn’t a potential sex criminal!”

    Truer words were never spoken.
    A rare +1 for 2ch.

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    Comment by not-racist2
    16:55 13/01/2011 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    man dis ban just suck ass! sumone shud asasinate ishihara. fuck that old bitch! ☻☻☻☻







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