Tokyo manga fans are disgusted to witness their beloved manga already being dumped into the porno corner en masse in order to comply with Ishihara’s twisted manga ban.
Some explanation may be required – in Japan, convenience stores usually sell adult (porn) magazines in an out-of-the-way corner, with the shelves marked off with a “成人向け雑誌” separator and minors prohibited from browsing the shelves or buying anything therein.
Similar arrangements exist in other shops for DVDs, eroge and so on, often with curtained off areas of the shop or otherwise. However, many outlets will not stock anything which needs to be separated into an 18+ section at all.
An example of what the average convenience store 18+ corner looked like until recently (the content of the rags in question should be obvious):
An example of what they have begun to look like in Tokyo thanks to the looming Tokyo manga ban:
Titles now branded adult-only include such notoriously obscene manga publications as Manga Home, Morning, Evening, etc…
2ch is disgusted at the discovery:
“I stopped off in a Tokyo convenience store on my way to work in Yokohama:
Tokyo is like another universe now, with the manga ban everything is going to be annihilated.
In the Yokohama convenience stores near where I work and those near my home, Young Jump is stocked alongside the travel magazines and stuff. The adult corner just has ero-manga stuff like Kairakuten and idol magazines.
When I saw the shelves in Tokyo it was like I was sucked into some weird parallel world…
Anyway, manga’s going to disappear now, isn’t it? They’ll never make any money like this.”
“What!? Why the hell is Manga Home in the adult section? It has no sex or violence at all… it’s just an innocnent little 4koma manga magazine. This can’t be serious…”
“It’s serious, you can’t just play with their shelves in the middle of the day.”
“I’ve only been to Akiba, but there was a 7-11 there that was like this.”
“The pro-censorship crowd have forced all manga not intended for all ages to be sold as 18+. Even Jump is in danger at this rate…”
“I heard publishers tried to create a 15+ category but Tokyo refused to allow it. I suppose it was true.”
“Well, games are really heavily censored thanks to CERO [the Japanese “voluntary” game rating system], and this ban still targets them in spite of that. Even if manga had ratings, they’d still be banned.”
“For a moment I felt total despair, but then I seethed with rage. Titles like Manga Home and Manga Club have no ero at all – it’s infuriating for them to be forced into the adult corner with all the porn.
Is this the world the censorship crowd wanted? If so we have to destroy that warped illusion.”
“Raika Days has an elementary school girl protagonist so it was placed in the 18+ section.”
“The censorship criteria are totally ambiguous so they just dumped all the manga with a higher age demographic into the adult section.”
“All manga and everything else now has to be labelled as 18+… I want to cry, this is a tragedy.”
“So now ‘adult only’ is not for ero, but for anything not aimed at little children.”
This all seems to completely discredit those still insisting the impact will be minor – any anime, manga or games which find themselves stuck shelved with porn and unable to be sold to or even looked at by under 18s can expect to see their sales plummet, forcing publishers and mangaka to either go out of business or produce only children’s titles which they can slip past Ishihara’s inquisition.
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Wow, now they'll have to put HUGE adult shelves to stock all the mangas there...
The end draws nigh
Looks like 2012 came early.
for everyone... except pirates.
Boring shelves is boring
Introducing the iShit® system, where the adult section is filled with harmless manga and the family-friendly section is filled with rape novels...
(I'm also curious, if the 18+ section is filled with manga, where did all the porn go?)
Alright guys. Get you mass suicide starter kits out.
@Megidola
They're replacing the missing manga titles at the general section
..
..
eh?
@Megidola - Ishihara organized a book burning
@TenguSan
We'll have to burn his titles too.
*stares at watch*
Awaiting backfire...,
Imminent public backlash also in waiting list...
@TenguSan
Don't worry, I think Ikaros used one of her cards to bring the porn magazines to life, and they held a happy festival together...
@Yoshii-kun I'd rather push him in the fire.
@diamonddust
Reminds me of a mission from AC, where you have to kill the target that's burning books all over the city.
And thus, history repeats itself....... soon.
@Yoshii-kun
Maybe we could persuade iShit to perform a "leap of faith" from Tokyo Tower? Don't worry iShit, we've put a pile of hay at the bottom for you...
...before that cliché "sudden gust of wind" blows off most of the hay.
MUAHAHAHAHAHA~!
No dudes! It was Postal II.
-"Burn a book, save a tree!"
@Megidola It better be a small pile of hay, last thing we need is him doing a assassin creed jump into hay.
@Yoshii-kun
And when the liberation from Ishihara begins, battle cries will be heard all throughout Tokyo...
Insieme per la vittoria! Vittoria agli Otaku!
Stupid ban! Stupid government! Stupid Ishihara!
Its a simple solution.
change the banner from a General selection only to 18+ only.
This is truly the Bonfire of the Vanities all over again... Insieme per la vittoria! Vittoria agli Otaku! We gotta make an underground freedom movement of stealthy hooded people now...
this is just the beginning it's all gonna get worse from here
>"for everyone... except pirates."
Till companies are driven out of business and there is nothing left to pirate.
I just died a bit inside looking at this...
This is clearly the time for people to discover what is known as alternate universes, then we won't have to deal with this crap anymore, too bad that is highly unlikely...
I just died a bit on the inside simply looking at all this...
can we get a link to a cheap place to buy a gun as its the most painless way to go probably.
i think, otakus will have reinforcements from the normal porn people for our anti-ishi-army, as they will not be able to find their porn under all the manga. also, im pretty sure some magazines will be canceled if not enogh space is available.. or the shelves will GROW. until there are shops entirely for porn and manga nd with creating manga-only bookstores ishitheads ban will backfire! HAH!
nah, seriously, we gtta kill him.
Ishihara sucks dick.
imagine kids who buys manga needs to go to the adults corner to get them...
or maybe ishihara assumed all manga readers are over 18+...
I don't get the overreaction... the mangas are still on sale, aren't they? just better classified according to their contents.
maybe its time for them to drop physical books and go digital.
@anon 09:18 didnt you read the article or are you just dumb? all manga is beeing put into the pornsection, not only pornmanga. hentai was in the pornsection before this too, but now even stuff thst has no erocontent whatsoever is there. or would you seriously classify stuff like, for example, bleach as porn?
"I don't get the overreaction... the mangas are still on sale, aren't they? just better classified according to their contents."
You can't be serious, right? Dude, did you even read the article?
Perhaps for added understanding it's useful to know that all Japanese are extremely subservient to anything imposed on them. The stores won't just say f*ck you to the ban and try to circumvent it in any way possible. They'll comply with the bill to the letter and they'll persistently refuse to sell even the most harmless of what used to be teenager's manga to minors. This will completely and utterly destroy the manga publishing industry in a matter months since they simply don't have any way of getting even remotely enough sales. Manga as an art form as we know it will cease to exist.
Japanese civil war is imminent.
I'm sorry to see this but at the same time I want to say "See what happens when you sit around in your home all the god damn time 2ch? I don't even live in Japan and I apparently knew more about this law then they do/did. Why don't you get off of your sorry asses and vote god damn it!" so yeah ranting done now :)
People of Japan, it's time for a new revolution. Or at least it's time to put all political nut-jobs in the asylum once and for all.
what the fuck is 2ch doing?! whining about this instead of joining together in Massive walks in Protest and plans to kick all them policticos out on their ASSes come next election!!!
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Rise the FUCK UP and tend to your flipping house before all those ancient ASStard mummies kills your providing Anime studios and otaku pedo love forever!!
You know what would really be evil is if all the manga companies moved to America and left Japan with nothing. Then we would get manga and anime 3 times faster than before. (I'm talking about the non-pirated way.) I am mostly surprised about this whole thing because manga has a pretty big percentage of the Japanese market let alone the Japanese entertainment market as well. By Ishihara is losing money and revenue for Japan. I think that the way this will all end is the Manga and Anime investors will invest money in new and upcoming politicians to run against Ishihara, kick him out of office and remove the ban.
the whole thing is like, to make two and a half men +18 or scrubs... or ban cartoon series like Recess or kim possible.. it's totally wron oO
i mean If I see it right, things like gurren lagann is banned too or?
Yes, most likely. I think Doraemon-level of manga/anime is about the threshold for what's still allowed to sell without harsh restrictions.
Doraemon had nudity. For Ishihara's intents and purposes it's porn now.
Nobita has ended up in Shizuka's bathroom countless times, often while Shizuka is nude and in the midst of taking a bath.
Doraemon is porn now. And not just any porn. Child porn.
While I'm aware of that, nobody messes with Doraemon. It's off-limits even for iShihara.
It's like the parallel universe most manga plots depict.
somebody explain this to me
1) why does the after ban 18+ corner look desolate now that everything belongs in there?
2) is japan only populated by gutless fools now?
the law seems worded like it can be read both ways, so why give up right away? remember how pathetic the application of censoreship in hentai manga looks in practice? thats the road we need to go and as soon as possible! the ban could be shaped to become benign if people with guts and brains stepped in
the problem offhand would be the application of the law is ultimately handed down by review board that will be hand picked by Ishihara.
and the vagueness of the law makes little room to wiggle around because, as you yourself put it, "the law seems worded like it can be read both ways".
well guess what, only 1 way will be used.
yes, all of what you said is likely the case
but
the board probably doesnt even exist yet
why make it easy for them by simply filing everything under 18+?
i would almost bet my ass and right arm that they will not even pick up anything in the 18+ corner let alone say "oh, this doesnt belong in here, lets put it next to the kids magazines"
they should get to read all the BL and guro manga out there until their dicks fall off
who knows, they might let something slip
we dont even know the real extent of their moralist idiocy yet!
Bleh. This whole scenario is like a weird nightmare. I'm sure if I'd told people 4 years ago that this would happen they'd laugh in my face as if I was speaking after breathing helium.
"For a moment I felt total despair, but then I seethed with rage"
An understandable and acceptable reaction.
when would senile old men vanish? x_x
when we grow up and learn not become them for the next generation.
In a Shop, earlier:
mormal mangas: 90%
adult mangas: 10%
After the ban:
normal mangas: 10%
adult content: 90%
Yeah they will need huge shelves.
They just need to switch the shelves lol
Then out comes the porn~♫
oh god I can see the despaired face of people, who wanted to watch a porn and only find the normal things.
they are probably going to have to make 2 different kinds of adult manga racks
"Pseudo Adult Manga" & "Actual Adult Manga"
Everyone should totally make a protest rack only for titles that were moved to the porno corner because of the new law.
More likely they'll just stop stocking 80% of the titles...
Unless they hate money, they won't. Yeah, the publishers will lose cash over this. But they're not the only ones making money on manga - the stores generally stock them for a reason.
Hello specialist stores. Alternately the stores solve the porn/manga same stock problem by different shelves or chucking either manga or porn. Which would probably depend on sales.
Suck it Lolicons!! - AAAAAHH-HAAAA! welcome to 3-D!!
Sides there are plenty of places that will sell manga to kids underage. Shit, I was buying Playboy in 7-11's even before all the indians owned them.
See how one group of 'Bad Apples' can Kill an entire industry? YOU'RE all suffering for Lolicons and lovers of 'flat chest'. Notice 3-D & adult manga's have no new stigma!- lol.
Stop sucking on ishahara's dick Gantz_Playboy.
Still, Bad apples make a kick ass shadow-play MV, don't you think?
So Artefact is there anyway this ban can be repealed?
Maybe you have a likely scenario in mind, I'd like to hear your thoughts on this matter, because it obvious that the industry can't go on like this.
The way I see it if it doesn't get repealed or amended the industry is likely to collapse due to a narrowed audience, creativity will suffer severely, and increased demand for original content will only increase piracy exponentially.
None of the politicians care, the publishing industry seems to have no influence, and there are no civil liberties groups to oppose it.
My guess is the only people who might step in are the national government groups interested in promoting content exports - METI and JETRO are quite influential.
@ Artefact
At this rate, it seems like the publishing industry(as a whole) has no other choice but to relocate all of their operations and assets to a nearby prefecture.
I know this is costly and considering 20% of Japan's population resides in Tokyo, that doesn't seem viable does it?
But than again, the Anime and Manga would essentially die off if they prolonged their stay in Tokyo.
If the Anime & Manga industries were to move, they should consider sending lobbyists to the prefecture of their destination, and channel as much money as possible to provide them safeguards and promote their interests.
Conservefarts(LDP), the wimpy politicians(LPJ), Ishihara & co, and Otaku pushovers/pussies have made it very clear they don't want most creative industry in their side.
I'm pretty sure that any rival prefecture of Tokyo would welcome the Anime & Manga(well almost everybody except a few Conservative ones such as Osaka or don't tell me the whole of Japan is conservative Artefact?)
It's irrelevant where they locate themselves. All that matters is sales, and these restrictions are designed to reduce their sales in Tokyo, the largest market for their products.
'forcing publishers and mangaka to either go out of business or produce only children’s titles'
@Artefact :
This could be a blessing in disguise. In the short run, yes, quite a few mangaka are going to be filling in job applications at McDonalds or Mountain-Ocean-Sun or whatever.
In the long run, the most radical business models are going to seem worthy of a try. That might mean the "ransom" model, or something like "kickstarter" etc.
Sadly, Japan is an expensive place for most mangaka, and they are going to bear the brunt of the economic pain, but if the fans can channel money to the creators somehow, it will work out.
Possible channels include: microdonations and microtransactions, flattr, online fund transfers of resellable cell phone minutes.
If Ishihara wants a black market prohibition, he'll get black market entrepreneurs!
But, if they move, they will create a new local fanbase, because the material will be more available in their new local market. Furthermore, otaku will probably follow them to their new city of operation.
However you look at it, the only thing that can be done is to get rid of Ishihara and revoke the "ban".
But really, where the fuck is the opposition to this? I really hope the industry doesn't fall asleep after boycotting TAF and publishing "controversial doujinshi".
Come on you lazy Japanese people, move your asses already.
I don't think it's got much to do with laziness, more like they are too busy working to keep their jobs to protest. You need to battle fire with fire when dealing with government. Throw the standard off-the-shelf pedo allegation against ishithara. - works for big corporations who want somebody pulled in for threatening business. Officials always turn a blind eye, just rattle a few cages of those in power.
i have this feeling that the main reason why japan is silent is maybe because most of the titles that were moved to the 18+ section really were read by the 18+ audience i.e. To Love Ru..
thus the 18+ 2channers are silent.. but if that happened over here you'd see outrage..
it was about time, manga this days its just porn
i wonder if you read any manga at all if that is all you consider it to be.
imagine this. if you lived in japan and called yourself an otaku, you'd probably not be so popular.
now if you read manga at all you won't be so popular.. thank god for webcomics though.
Few places you can buy magazines have "completely black except the title" magazines with them anyways in the US.
Unless it's like a walmart or something, they're with everything else, just covered completely except the title.
Doesn't really seem like this is such a huge deal.
and so the end begins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeQ8bZ820Ho
My question is whether or not they can actually police something like this. There is always at least 1 gas station who would sell tobacco to underage kids, and soon it'll be manga.
although not all manga and anime fans are children... but there are significant amount of children who likes anime and manga... so.. by putting them near adult porno section, u r luring there them... well done ishihara. maybe i should praise u for increasing the amount of children becoming sexually active at a young age
Ridiculous, if you don't have guts to buy your own porn/ecchi just because it's close to porn magazines then GTFO.
The article is totally illogically written. Nothing will disappear, they only sort manga & mags etc. differently. And children are not allowed to browse risky stuff? LOL. They will, because there is no time & personnell to control that all the time.
Stop exaggerating so badly, Sankaku.
I know i will get a lot of minus for this, but it is still truth!
where i'm from most children and even teenagers aren't allowed to buy/peruse anything in the adult section.
no buy = no revenue