2ch’s indignant reaction to the equally indignant response of Sankaku Complex users to 2ch’s criticism of fansubbing is presented below, and will likely provide as much amusement as it does insight.
The latest article picked up the 2ch response to a Sankaku Complex article picking up the 2ch response to an article on fansubbing:
Foreigners and Japanese.
There may be differences in culture, but all nations are united in despising crime.
In this article we look at just why some foreigners try to justify illegal anime downloads, and why they are so combative towards those who point out their crimes.
We’ll look at major English language otaku site Sankaku Complex’s comments – some of their comments are translated below:
“They act like they don’t pirate themselves.”
“The difference is that we’re gaijin pirates.”
“Yeah. Why are they so mad? They watch it on their TV for free as well.”
“Exactly! And why would I care about supporting xenophobic racist Japanese otaku?”
“It’s funny how 2ch bitch about piracy when they are no different with western goods :p
Hey 2ch! You mad?”
2ch’s reaction to this encompassed scores of posts which were subsequently reposted onto a number of sites – some of their responses are presented below:
“What are these white pigs on about now?”
“They hit the mark there alright.”
“What are 2channelers ripping off of theirs?”
“What about all the warez boards on 2ch?”
“You guys need to go and check out 2ch’s ‘Download’ board, it makes these scumbags look good.”
[In English:] “FUCK YOU!!!!!!!! hahaha”
[In English:] “you are very fucking invader”
“They are calling 2ch a bitch?”
“Bitch is a verb in this case…”
“Ota look like ota whatever the country…”
“The silhouettes of pizza munching fatsos in bad clothes are too similar!”
“You guys are soft when it comes to your own faults, but hard on those of others – you sit here criticising others for piracy whilst busily downloading stuff yourselves!”
“Is 2ch famous amongst foreigners or something?”
“Don’t get uppity you dirty foreigners. Because you just decide to pirate our stuff overseas, we get hit with censorship!”
“Can they really not understand that it’s non-pirating Japanese who are complaining about pirating foreigners?”
“The TV may be free to watch, but that’s only because they attract sponsors if the ratings are good.”
“At least try to understand the Japanese TV broadcast system, you morons.”
“They have ad-funded TV over there too – I think their education is just completely lacking.”
“Even in Japan there are idiots who think TV is free.”
“Well, we can’t deny 2ch is full of idiots and scum. Can’t we just get along with the foreign idiots and scum?”
“What a bunch of beggars. How did they get so greedy?”
“It’s almost like they are Chinese or something.”
“There’s nothing western I want to pirate!”
“I want to have sex with a western woman!”
“The only western things you pirate are Windows and Photoshop.”
“It’s because when they pirate Rapelay we get accused of being a ‘child porn power.’ It’s just one-sided persecution.”
“Well, Japan never even objects to that…”
“Kill all the foreigners!”
“Xenophobic racist Japanese – they really do think of us like that?”
“With them the first person to call the other a racist is declared the winner.”
[In English:] “Hey fuckign fat Yankee, you are trash of the warld. Go fuck off!!!!!!!!!!”
“Nobody ever mentions how Japanese anime otaku always up things to foreign servers to stop themselves getting caught. It’s when it gets sent overseas that the problem starts. It’s certainly a sneaky ‘yellow’ way of doing things.
There are loads of idiots who think that because 2ch’s servers are overseas they have carte blanche to break the law here too.”
“I wish those bastards would die along with the white pigs too!”
“Why do they get so worked up over some insults on 2ch? They should just ignore us.”
“Don’t you guys realise that being called a racist is the worst thing you can call someone overseas? You are wrecking Japan’s image. If you show some tolerance things should go much more smoothly.”
“The self-promotion of fansubbers is sickening. They shove the URL of their site up in the OP and stuff – at least put it in the credits at the end!”
“Nobody likes to think they are doing something wrong. But really, I think that lot may be of particularly low intelligence…”
[In English:] “fack you”
[In English:] “Oh, miss spell.”
“Isn’t this OK? In a megalopolis like Okayama, there’s no anime at all. I check out the latest anime on these sites, and even pick up some English from the subs.”
“If America gets hit by a few more airplanes, think they’ll start waking up to intellectual property?”
“More foreign reactions to a previous article about OneManga being shut down:
‘I used OneManga to check out what manga I liked and bought it if I liked it!’
‘There might be some like that, but most would never buy a thing…’
‘The problem is the high prices!’
‘I think OneManga is good marketing for mangaka.’
‘The biggest issue is how arrogant the Japanese are. They never get on with other races.’
‘DIRTY JAPS!’
‘The Japs are truly intolerant.’
‘I didn’t think the Japs were this conceited – somebody drop another nuke on them!’
Source: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/07/25/2ch-on-one-manga-good-riddance-to-foreign-thieves/”
“What’s all this bull about promoting anime? Where do they think the biggest anime market is? It’s Japan! The foreign market is nothing compared to Japan – don’t make us laugh with your claptrap about promoting it! Stick to your Kung-Fu Panda, scum.”
“Advertising to a bunch of pirates is meaningless you dirty foreign filth.”
“Watching criminals getting irate at being caught is pretty funny though.”
“These foreign otaku are the reason they started the bans on 2D in the first place!”
“It’s only a tiny minority of crazies on 2ch who are actually making a fuss?”
“‘They act like they don’t pirate themselves’ – it’s the ones who don’t pirate who are complaining. Don’t just lump everyone on 2ch together like that.”
“Stop subbing anything you feel like! And quit plastering everything with those pretentious translation notes!”
“Just buy the manga and stuff even if it is expensive. In Japan foreign stuff marketed to Japanese is way more expensive than it is overseas.”
“So, let me ask a question in return. Why do foreigners get so het up over killing whales and dolphins? They aren’t hunting the endangered species. You eat animals yourselves. Aren’t you all just a bunch of racists?”
“I’d be satisfied if all the foreigners died!”
“Other than anime, Sankaku Complex always picks up the following stories about Japan:
Foreigners being discriminated against.
Crimes committed by our military, police and teachers.
WWII related war crimes committed by the IJA.
:)”
[In English:] “Jap gettin moremore isolated. Fuckin!!!!”
“Japanese are becoming more and more petty. Rather than laugh off that Chinese Gundam statue, we made a big fuss over it. Come on – any bipedal robot is going to look something like that. Foreigners only watch anime because it is free and they have too much free time. The people who think it is really popular overseas are idiots.”
“Tell it to Disney.”
“If you don’t like the Japs put out, don’t watch Jap animation.”
“Damn, these impertinent foreigners who watch everything as though it is free really piss me off. Their attitude seems to be like ‘Yes, keep paying those high prices and bowing your heads so we can watch for free, you ignorant Japanese yokels.'”
“They don’t care about anime – if they have to pay they don’t watch it. Even FMA got cancelled because none of them would buy it. Anime is a joke overseas.”
“If we just go on mindlessly pushing our reasoning onto them, we’ll go on losing out to foreign countries. Look at the censorship frenzy engulfing Japan! We’re a developed country yet you still can’t properly publish a damn thing digitally here! You’re going to put up with this crap!?
Who cares about pirates or netiquette – if the technology to pirate is there you will get pirates, whatever the country.”
“Incite spiteful comments from 2ch, enrage the hairy barbarian otaku with them.
Incite spiteful comments from hairy barbarian otaku, enrage the 2ch otaku with them.”
“Is this perpetual motion?”
“Americans think all other people have absorbed their American culture. They cannot conceive of any significantly different culture existing. As a result, they think they are being discriminated against whenever they encounter ideas at variance to their own.
There really are Americans who think the reason the Xbox failed in Japan is because of Japanese racism.”
“Right. They are just desperate to think of themselves as victims!”
“Damn, those idiots again – just mention the iPhone and iPad to them.”
“Everyone overseas thinks 2ch is nothing but a den of racists.”
“This is too scary… it’s like we’re looking in a mirror!”
“Well, we’re both just labelling the other side as pirates.”
“I think they’ll just keep on doing this, but the ones who keep insisting 2ch is a single entity with one opinion are complete idiots.”
“It’s like that on normal anime sites. They are uppity despite getting everything for free, although they seem pro-Japanese at times.
Except for Sankaku – that one alone is totally anti-Japanese and I hope those idiots are destroyed soon!”
See also the previous exchange between 2ch and Sankaku Complex, which ensued after 2ch’s crowed over the fall of One Manga and then heaped scorn on the hairy foreign pirates for their impudence.
Agreed. Despite racism in the West, we have an equal society here and rights for all, but many of ’em can’t stand that no matter how nice you are, to whom I reply: wh pigs and pigskins = s♥♥t. Pigs roll around in their own s♥♥t and eat it too, and you are what you eat..
Thank God for these translators. I don’t fucking speak Moonpanese.
the reason why–at least for me–i watch fansubs rather than the english dubs available here in the US is because they’re an inferior product (despite the 1/3 cost), by far; while they do come with the original audio, the subbing for the japanese language is of poor quality, or set to match the english dub. thus, critical elements are lost in translation.
The low quality of the dub is because of the way anime is considered over here in the US: for many companies, they’re just cartoons for fourteen-year-olds rather than mature media like, say, family guy or The Simpsons; thus, the voiceacting is given no heart.
The ONLY companies i’ve seen take the media seriously are ADV and Funimation, and even then, with very few titles. For me, the only titles i’ve considered buying (and have bought) for their english language content are, in order:
1. Full Metal Alchemist
2. Full metal Panic
3. Cowboy Bebop
4. Evangelion
5. Trigun
the voice acting just gets worse from then on, with most being of the “horrible screeching” quality that makes me cringe (or nauseous) when i attempt to watch something like “Girls Bravo” or “UFO Princess Valkyrie” in English.
so the ultimate question is: why should i pay 20 dollars per volume for an inferior production that obviously wasn’t taken seriously when i can pay $60 for internet per month and get something that is of high-quality and shows real dedication on the part of the voice actors. if you’re going to market a voice-acted media to me, then pay your voice actors well as disney/pixar voice actors are paid, and get them to show real emotion and NEVER, EVER, stop publishing a series or censor it simply because of the mindset that our children–most of whom start looking at porn AT AGE TWELVE–should somehow be kept innocent. YOU’RE MARKETING SOMETHING TO 14+ YEAR OLDS. I THINK A LITTLE FLESH IS OK! (examples: Kodomo no jikan(nymphet), Legend of Overfiend, Dance in the Vampire Bund, Code Geass and (most famously) One Piece, to name a few).
Japanese may complain about the price of their local products which–i admit–is rather unfair, but they need remember that the quality of their viewing is much higher than what we get here in the US (not including fansubs). by comparison of quality: if the japanese and american dubs were military weapons rather than shows, the japanese would have a M1 Abrams equipped with a 120mm RAILGUN, while we americans would still be putting around with an old Sherman from WWII!
What the f♥♥k? They are being such drama queens I swear! If they wanted us Americans to be so thin then maybe they should start promoting those things in their anime and slowly it would pick up. They always bother us for being bigger than them but that really only seems to bother them when we are cosplaying or when our men sleep with their women!
I personally like Asian men but seriously… all these comments about us foreigners just dying is retarded.
It was our people that took them out of being isolated in the first place, they should at least pay us back with anime!
Japanese doesn’t hate foreigner. .
but
sancom and sancom user is very hated.
Only AV, anti Japan, and a dark topic of Japan are always published…
Japanese really hates sancom.