Patriotic Chinese have denounced Christmas as a barbarian attack on the ancient glories of Chinese culture.
Of some 12,000 Chinese net users asked “Are you concerned about the act of cultural aggression known as Christmas?”, 78% patriotically agreed that they felt “concern over this attack on Chinese culture,” with 22% treacherously siding with the foreign devils by indicating they felt no such concern.
Right-thinking Chinese report a sense of alarm about the attack Santa is so clearly spearheading on their culture:
“I’m concerned that the day will come when the Chinese forget their traditional celebrations. Protecting Chinese culture is our duty as Chinese!”
More credulous Chinese seemed taken in by this subtle ploy to undermine Chinese values:
“There’s no need to worry about whether Christmas is good or bad. This is just a new social development. Just because we celebrate Christmas doesn’t mean we have to throw out traditional celebrations such as the Lunar New Year.”
Presumably some sort of ban on Christmas for sullying the purity of Chinese culture is not out of the question…
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I don't think Santa is going to visit China anymore
Yes, he still is. Everyone in China is still celebrating Christmas, despite that stupid survey. The 12.000 people of the 1.3 billion Chinese do not represent the whole country. Think about it.
Learn to statistics. That's all I have to say.
Since when did a celebration focused on sharing and kindness be considered an attack against somebody's culture? Urgh... I think somebody is giving them the wrong idea...
Actually, Christmas used to be a pagan holiday. To get pagans to convert to Christianity, they made up a holiday, said it was their god's birthday, and then told them they could celebrate it instead of the Solstice. It ended up catching on and changing Christian traditions to match. So Christmas has always been about destroying previous cultures...at least ever since the Christians took it over.
Of course it's not surprising that China would consider anything foreign, especially something so popular with countries such as the US and Japan to be bad. Consider the kind of state they live in. They have mo real freedom, and the second Christmas causes problems for those in charge, it's going to be banned or severely restricted. The sad part is the majority will likely support it and consider the restriction of their freedoms an example of their government working properly.
Curiously the polls were questioning people not the government, makes you wonder what goes on in china's academics
They brainwash them and give them bullshit honors even though the subject matter is watered down and includes nothing about actual history, then, if/when they come to the West, their brainwashing wears off and they become slackers and gamers like the rest of us normal Amerifats.
Also, they KILLED their own culture about 50 years ago and replaced it with shitty imitations of Stalinist Russia and the dregs of Japanese pop-culture, so these "patriotic" Chinese are just a bunch of hypocrites- which of course is to be expected of anyone at the political extremes anyway.
99% of people out of China agree: 78% of Chinese people are really dumb fucks.
What to do? The smart ones left and because Overseas Chinese. The ones left were the dumb or the ones already in charge.
I think the bone of contention is that they fear many Chinese would choose to celebrate a Christian Holiday in place of their own traditions.
It is kind of silly though. You can respect someone elses holiday without losing your own traditions.
If they want the Lunar New year to be a bigger deal then put some money into selling it.
That's the thing though. Christmas, one can argue, is huge as an atheistic celebration now.
It's like how Halloween and April's Fools has evolved into a more world wide holiday. Even historically, the actual celebration of Christmas was originally there to celebrate Winter Solstice and it also had roots in Pagan celebrations. The way Christians has taken up the mantle, it in fact didn't even originate with Christians at all. And nowadays, what do we celebrate more? Santa Claus. lol I love Santa Claus.
Chinese railing against Christmas?!?
That's almost like the Grinch killing off Max because he isn't a real reindeer.
You know what though? Millions of Made in China substandard toys can't be wrong. Mainland China may ban Christmas, but they won't stop the gravy train of moolah from rolling into town by way of toy exports, will they?
Most of the modern Christmas customs such as the Christmas tree are actually from Norse paganistic customs.
But still China has reached a new low here.
If they don't want to be influenced by other cultures then they better give up trade with the rest of the world and go back to having closed borders.
You can't have trade of goods without a trade of cultural ideas.
It's always been this way even with primitive cultures that existed long before what is modern China.
Well, Fred, I don't know if you're arguing that since Christmas has become essentially an atheistic holiday, and the date has no special atheistic significance, it shouldn't be held, at least not by atheists... but if you are, I think I disagree.
We're going to throw a big party in the winter, that's a given. Months of snow and sleet and darkness without some sort of party? Come on. And given that we are we might as well celebrate it on the solstice, a) since we're already doing that and moving about is pointless and b) the days are getting longer now, really. A comforting thought, for theists and atheists alike.
For Atheists the winter solstice only has astronomical significance. Santa "Coca Cola" Clause is an infectiously convenient excuse to party, but he's still a Christian invention that embodies the themes of elf slavery and riding supersonic reindeer.
Its not something the fundies are entirely kosher with... however few are really militant about the whole deal.
The Chinese, on the other hand, are taking a different stance.
@Anon01:38,it isn't?(i mean excluding the obvious countries)
who says halloween is worldwide?
I can see how an atheistic country like China would be concerned about its citizens worshiping strange foreign deities such as Santa Claus.
You don't -have- to celebrate it you know...
Awww come on even Christmas???
Considering its a materialistic holiday where people give each other hundreds of presents made in china, I'd of thought they'd like it.
They'll be denouncing birthdays next.
Yeah, just like English is corrupting their national language....
“Are you concerned about the act of cultural aggression known as Christmas?”
Nope, no leading questions here at all, move along please...
China.... Ohhhhhhh China.......
ah, that's why japanese love to celebrate christmas
@01:15
Do you really think Santa is making you buy presents for people? I'm not sure what country you're from but Santa is globally, going by whatever name or tradition he's apart of, a child thing. He rewards good children for being good, and adds a bit of magic and wonder to the world.
If everyone feels santa is forcing them to buy gifts obviously they're the ones with cultural problems.
It's just a matter of time for China to ban all Western culture to create a land of Commie Zombies.
LOL.
This all feels like a song, y'know.
I ban you...
You ban me...
Let's all ban things happily...
The people's republic, no exporting to you,
let's destroy our culture too.
Why must their people be that retarded...
The fact you can only answer yes and no really say it all too isn't it?
@tfish
no, god damn it
i do not think santa is forcing me to do anything
its large store chains forcing their santa themed merchandise upon us
and i feel sorry for the children living here, for the long running christian tradition here is that jesus brings the presents and forcing santa claus into this is simply grotesque
santa claus is merely a "corruption" of saint nicholas and we celebrate saint nicholas on the 6th december, while the 24th december is for said jesus, not santa
eastern tradition has brough us grandfather frost, but almost nobody cares about him because there arent assloads of merchandise to force his conquest upon us
What about them Jehovah's Witness?
attack on religion QQ
BazzyRick
"They'll be denouncing birthdays next."
It's been done. Chinese New Year.
@ToyNN
Didn't stop the Japanese from celebrating it full force. It's merchandise driven, not religiously driven for them. They could care less about old St. Nick.
Christmas, is Christ Mass, it was a christian holiday, now its just a commercial ploy of course, but I think that the Chinese are worries about the Christian part.
Cultural aggression? The only cultural aggression I see from Christmas is when Fox News talks about the holiday.
seriously, another bullshit.
Next time you post trash please refere source.
Make renren account (Chinese facebook)
Add randoms, see if everyone post "Merry christmas" on their status.
If answer is they do then 78% is the amount of farmers who don't have access to the internet in China.
Fuck you very much.
@OhYeah - I get it and of course most of the merch was made in China!
Just say'in it is a significant religious holiday. If some cultures don't like it for those reasons that's ok.
Heck the Christian's have some great marketing since everyone embraces their big holiday atleast for its festivities and gift-giving aspects.
@5:43 - It was a pagan tradition before that... The Christians just hijacked it, like they do with everything else.
if you need a special holiday reminding you that you should love people close to you its sad
culture spreads naturally and thats fine
what is not fine at all is when culture is not spread by people and their customs but store chains and their greed
in my country we celebrated christmas from times immemorable, but some 15 years back nobody heard of santa claus
now the fat dudes everywhere and why? we dont need him, merchants need him so they can homogenize culture all over the globe and sell the same goods everywhere
its disgusting
I understand we all celebrate it now mostly has a time for gift giving to friends and family..but..uh..last time I checked Christmas is a Christian holiday - there aren't many Christian's in China (like 1%).
HAHAHA cry me a river
You do realize no one say Chinese HATE Christmas,right?
They just think they celebrate it more than their own holiday/tradition.
for real right
they seem to think we forced them to celebrate christmas
and some how english people are making them forget there culture...
way to go china just blame your problems on others -.-
To the Chinese, anything good from outside their country is an attack of some kind.
Considering Christmas has been taken over by various peoples East and West, that's an incredibly selfish thinking.
I remember in Japan, other than maybe Golden Week, Christmas was a huge deal. If nothing other than letting people show off the whole Red and Green motifs, celebrating the season or buying gifts or getting KFC (The Japanese tradition! Get KFC on Christmas day. KFC did a great job making itself some kind of a Christmas cult over there).
Also, the way it is celebrated in America and the rest of the world, it's more an atheist holiday the way millions celebrate it.
And I also suppose the Chinese New Year's isn't an attack on other cultures the way they put it. Just imagine the flamewars it'd cause in a Chinese messageboard if some Korean or Japanese guy goes there and calls it "Lunar New Year". Or hey, fun factoid: Lunar New Year is also called "Islamic New Year".
Sharing and kindness must not belong in the Chinese values.
It is still regarded as a christian holiday.
Reasons why it is, and facts that doesn't support it...
Jesus was born on that day. (not really)
Santa/Santa Claus/Father Christmas is based on a christian saint, sain nicholas (and some greek mythology if I'm not wong)
It is quite common to go to church at christmas, even if you're not hardcore christian. (it is not as common for people of other religions to go to church)
Santa is created by Coca Cola (probably brought to the USA by the Dutch immigrants) and is based on a Priest in Turkey who later became Saint and is now a national holiday in the Netherlands.
@Bigall,It is in the Chinese Values
Proving again that We're all living in Amerika...
No one is giving them the idea, they are just coming up with it on their own.
Who are they? What's the percentage of the whole China's nation who is thinking like that too.
12.000 are asked from the 1.3 billion Chinese! Is that even representative? I doubt that Hong Kong Chinese and Taiwanese are thinking the same as the "mainlanders".
And aren't there "westerners" here in the USA concerning about similar things, when they are talking about the "Coca Cola" culture.
It's called "statistics". Asking a sufficiently large group of really random people would give you a pretty accurate picture of the entire population.
that's a stupid defending point.
do you suppose all 1.3 billion will vote the poll? 12'000 is already damn big to represent it (those 1.3 billion).
and the chances of 78% from such big number 12'000 may as well represent 78% from the 1.3 billion. who knows the percentage actually get higher if really from 1.3 billion
worst more its not from their infamous government, its from their people. ow well, government consist of people anyway. Really, I look down on China for their attitude no matter how good they are in military or economy.
Why are you arguing about this on Sankaku??? it's not finally if it's not worded like the end of the world..but that's why we love it isn't it?
@anon 23:49:
i don't see anything wrong with TC-man's questioning of the sampling. assuming, of course, you know the concept behind sampling.
its just a hoilday to spend time with the the family. if anything keeping old and new traditons alive
hey China do us a favor and SHUT THE FUCK UP UNTIL THE YEAR ENDS! :V
seriously not a day goes by without hearing their butthurt bitching....
It is a japanese Survery you know? If the JAPANESE stop asking maybe they will shut up then,right?
@Solru
"It is a japanese Survey you know?"
Wait, what? This survey was done by 环球时报(Global Times), a CHINESE newspaper from CHINA.
The article linked above is from Searchina, a Japanese site REPORTING on the findings of Global Times' survey... I don't see how in anyway does that make the survey to be 'japanese'...
@Solru
figures as much *sigh*
Japan and China: forever trolling (eachother)
japan and china forever alone
since when did anyone care what china thought? they are good for borrowing money but other than that they are worthless... the government. not the individuals.
"Since when did a celebration focused on sharing and kindness be considered an attack against somebody's culture?"
When the culture is the most selfish and materialistic society on the planet.
Christmas is about giving away stuff to other people. To a Chinese person that's like setting yourself on fire.
"sharing and kindness"? Yup, that's an attack on Chinese culture alright.
lol China what did you do now?
So being nice for one day might be too much for them I guess.
communist u mean??
Lol srly Chinese? I bet a good chuck of the stuff given out in Christmas was made in china and yet they say this?!
"Since when did a celebration focused on sharing and kindness be considered an attack against somebody's culture?"
Since the day a group of priests & nobles choose to change the birth of Jesus Christ to December 25th, as a means to absorb a Pagan holiday and convert those of different religious beliefs to their own.
As for China, who gives a fuck what that nation of thieves thinks.
don't know but maybe, they only see in christmas the katholic reason -.-.. for me i celebrate it, not because of the religous reason
The post above you is already giving people the wrong idea anyway
oh look, its China again..
Communist counties will attack anything could be religion, ideas, or hairstyles.