How To Predict Square Enix’s Stock Price
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Nov 9, 2010 05:12 JST
- Tags: 2ch, Business, Final Fantasy, Marketing, MMORPG, Square Enix, Statistics
Square Enix watchers have discovered a correlation between Square Enix’s plummeting stock price (almost at a 10 year low) and the player population of Final Fantasy XIV, also plummeting.
Unfortunately for investors looking to make a killing, predicting player numbers is scarcely any easier than predicting a company’s stock price, save in that Final Fantasy XIV’s case the numbers only look set to decrease further.
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Well if I had shorted them that would have been when FFXIV came out; after this becomes old news it will rise again a bit because an increased amount of people will be inclined to buy their stock for long term again.
There is no long term for SE.
You know...all they have to do is release FFVII again and all the fanboys will start coming back.
Dont worry, Im sure they will merge with another RPG maker to save the company
Bio Square Enix
Sorry, this is SE, listen to the fanboys is not part of their policy.
So they will make a... FFVIII remake then?
I would like that.
It'll be Square@Enix
@ = Atlus.
Final Fantasy 6 HD
Final Fantasy 7 HD
Crono Trigger 3D/Ressurection
Legend of Dragoon 2
Dissidia on the PS3.
Parasite Eve 3.. oh wait... hmm...
Any of the above could help solve their problems.
That said. let them jump ship... Then buy stock before Parasite Eve 3 comes out and the stupid investors go "Huh, they're selling again. Guess it's safe".
Then jump ship when it reaches it's next peak and let the fuckers crash downward, forcing them into making one of the above titles.
Legend of Dragoon 2
^This
Long term gain? But the stock has been in decline since FF7 was released.
Depends if this debacle is salvageable or not...
It is if LOL means lack of lulz.
What I'm trying to say is that FFXIV is most likely only one of Square-Enix's troubles. A good investor will overlook intermittent disasters. What about a potential corporate structural failure?
Notice all their troubles began when they started openly saying "We're trying to better please the western audience"
Yeah... Guess why they buy stuff off of you Squeenix? To get that gaming sensation that comes from a different culture. Attempting to marry it with an incompatible belief of what the western culture and audience enjoys as opposed to focusing on making a quality product in general caused you what?
Exactly.
I do not see why people will be inclined to buy Square-Enix's stock for long term because their total unit sales more doubled over last year, but their profit margins continue to drop significantly.
@anon 14:28
I never said that buying them for long term is a good choice. I just said that there will be people who WILL do that.
Some just look only at data and their probability formulas and never make any actual market research.
When the ship sinks, the rats are the first ones in fleeing ;<
Rats are pretty damn smart
Smart...
You can have a lengthy discussion about that with the bottom of the ocean.
"All Hands prepare for ground evacuation!"
"All hands abandon vessel!"
"Get out! SQUARE-ENIX is breaking apart!"
*only the logo remains as the giant Arms Fort--er, joint videogame company explodes into materia spheres and chocobo feathers*
Horsebird feathers. *fixed
Chocopo feathers. *fixed
Haha, nice AC4A reference right there.
Radio message: "Warning, large icebergs ahead"
Yoichi Wada: "Don't worry, we're unsinkable!"
Squeetanix? ^_^
More like warning Shit Final Fantasy released.
Yoichi Wada: "HOLY SH** hit the deck"
Hair feathers.
"everyone to the life boats women and lolis first!"
they are unlikely to go down , but they will go though some serious shit . Plus you dont need to be a market annalist to realize shares would be highest before big product launch and lowest after it failed . Still share prices are not the doom of company as its more connected to speculation rather then actually raising capital for firms .
Does that mean if players drop to zero in some weeks Squeenix is done for?
"Does that mean if players drop to zero in some weeks Squeenix is done for?"
are you implying this is not already the case?
They are still having conferences, so not yet.
conferences about juicing the remaining players
This is going to be an Albertsons soon...
What's Square-Enix again? Thought so.
Good riddance. They need to go bankrupt to finally see how much they're screwing themselves up.
Again, another retard... explain how failing entirely counts as a good lesson? If you want them to learn, hope that they learn and improve. If you want them to fail then... well you're a worthless addition to a conversation.
Well, if they continue to fail at looking at the big picture, then whether we hope or not they're going crash and burn anyway. They just need to stop running after the cash dangling in front of their faces and see that they're running straight toward a cliff with sharp rocks on the bottom.
personally i don't think the failures of one title will be enough for them to go under they'll survive this round and (hopefully) learn from this as a reference for future projects and besides IIRC enix does more than just video games...or have we forgotten that they also help develop/finance the FMA anime?
You learn after failures...usually.
Employees will have to find another job preferably bringing their experience of a successful then nose-diving company, however they're likely to shut up to keep their new job. Or perhaps they'll start a new company.
Some people don't know they're drunk until after their skull and car wraps around a steel pole.
But they'll be a good lesson for others. If they're going to try something new like targeting the west and other new customers, don't spend a fortune on the experiments.
He's just a mindful idiot who thinks he knows everything.
The only possible improvement right now is for someone else to buy their IPs. I say give the FF rights to Bioware and give Square/Enix's board a good lesson in how to run a game company. Not that I believe they will learn, but at least it would be fun watching them squirm.
"Hope that they learn"? You have too much hope for humanity.
When they believe they can keep on the way they do and increase the price on items in game if it screws up, yes.
Yes they need to go bankrupt...
In this I'd partially agree, but I worked for a game company... the casual market thrives on micro transactions. I'm a gamer in the traditional 90's geek sense. Microtransactions to the casual gamer really are quite strange to us as gamers who have been doing this over 10 years, but they really do work.
If you want the reality of it, it does go back to piracy. The MMO market, the microtransactions, the casual gaming on facebook, it really is birthed in large part due to the industry adapting to losing a good chunk of the profits to pirates.
And don't use that foolish argument that a download doesn't mean it would have been a sale. The retarded companies say it would be a 1:1 ratio, but most smart companies still know that it could have been upwards of 1/4th or more of those people would have bought it eventually, even if the price decreased over time, there WOULD have been sales that would have helped considerably in making more expansive games the next time around.
The industry stagnation can very easily be traced in large part to piracy due to fear of taking risks. So wanting one of the last remaining 'traditional' companies who was rebirthed by the very fact that they made a worthy game that sold well when they were in their death throws (Original FF) to fail is the mark of a truly thoughtless gamer.
still doesn't show definitively whether its correlation or causation
It's easy, really.
Squeenix fucks up FF XIV -> this fucks up the stocks.
FF XIV dies -> Squeenix dies.
Correlation is not causation.
IMO someone should just buy out the company and restructure from the top. Remove the person who's wholly responsible for this fiasco and replace him with a more passionate and dedicated guy.
It's will probably take some time for SE to recover but under new management and their old reputation, i'm sure they can produce a quality game in 3-4 years.