How To Predict Square Enix’s Stock Price
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Nov 9, 2010 05:12 JST
- Tags: 2ch, Business, Final Fantasy, Marketing, MMORPG, Square Enix, Statistics
Square Enix watchers have discovered a correlation between Square Enix’s plummeting stock price (almost at a 10 year low) and the player population of Final Fantasy XIV, also plummeting.
Unfortunately for investors looking to make a killing, predicting player numbers is scarcely any easier than predicting a company’s stock price, save in that Final Fantasy XIV’s case the numbers only look set to decrease further.
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Well if I had shorted them that would have been when FFXIV came out; after this becomes old news it will rise again a bit because an increased amount of people will be inclined to buy their stock for long term again.
Depends if this debacle is salvageable or not...
It is if LOL means lack of lulz.
I do not see why people will be inclined to buy Square-Enix's stock for long term because their total unit sales more doubled over last year, but their profit margins continue to drop significantly.
Notice all their troubles began when they started openly saying "We're trying to better please the western audience"
Yeah... Guess why they buy stuff off of you Squeenix? To get that gaming sensation that comes from a different culture. Attempting to marry it with an incompatible belief of what the western culture and audience enjoys as opposed to focusing on making a quality product in general caused you what?
Exactly.
@anon 14:28
I never said that buying them for long term is a good choice. I just said that there will be people who WILL do that.
Some just look only at data and their probability formulas and never make any actual market research.
What I'm trying to say is that FFXIV is most likely only one of Square-Enix's troubles. A good investor will overlook intermittent disasters. What about a potential corporate structural failure?
There is no long term for SE.
Dont worry, Im sure they will merge with another RPG maker to save the company
Bio Square Enix
You know...all they have to do is release FFVII again and all the fanboys will start coming back.
Sorry, this is SE, listen to the fanboys is not part of their policy.
So they will make a... FFVIII remake then?
I would like that.
Final Fantasy 6 HD
Final Fantasy 7 HD
Crono Trigger 3D/Ressurection
Legend of Dragoon 2
Dissidia on the PS3.
Parasite Eve 3.. oh wait... hmm...
Any of the above could help solve their problems.
That said. let them jump ship... Then buy stock before Parasite Eve 3 comes out and the stupid investors go "Huh, they're selling again. Guess it's safe".
Then jump ship when it reaches it's next peak and let the fuckers crash downward, forcing them into making one of the above titles.
Legend of Dragoon 2
^This
It'll be Square@Enix
@ = Atlus.
Long term gain? But the stock has been in decline since FF7 was released.
"All Hands prepare for ground evacuation!"
"All hands abandon vessel!"
"Get out! SQUARE-ENIX is breaking apart!"
*only the logo remains as the giant Arms Fort--er, joint videogame company explodes into materia spheres and chocobo feathers*
Horsebird feathers. *fixed
Chocopo feathers. *fixed
Radio message: "Warning, large icebergs ahead"
Yoichi Wada: "Don't worry, we're unsinkable!"
Squeetanix? ^_^
More like warning Shit Final Fantasy released.
Yoichi Wada: "HOLY SH** hit the deck"
Hair feathers.
Haha, nice AC4A reference right there.
When the ship sinks, the rats are the first ones in fleeing ;<
Smart...
You can have a lengthy discussion about that with the bottom of the ocean.
Rats are pretty damn smart
they are unlikely to go down , but they will go though some serious shit . Plus you dont need to be a market annalist to realize shares would be highest before big product launch and lowest after it failed . Still share prices are not the doom of company as its more connected to speculation rather then actually raising capital for firms .
"everyone to the life boats women and lolis first!"
Does that mean if players drop to zero in some weeks Squeenix is done for?
Good riddance. They need to go bankrupt to finally see how much they're screwing themselves up.
Again, another retard... explain how failing entirely counts as a good lesson? If you want them to learn, hope that they learn and improve. If you want them to fail then... well you're a worthless addition to a conversation.
"Hope that they learn"? You have too much hope for humanity.
He's just a mindful idiot who thinks he knows everything.
Employees will have to find another job preferably bringing their experience of a successful then nose-diving company, however they're likely to shut up to keep their new job. Or perhaps they'll start a new company.
Some people don't know they're drunk until after their skull and car wraps around a steel pole.
But they'll be a good lesson for others. If they're going to try something new like targeting the west and other new customers, don't spend a fortune on the experiments.
Well, if they continue to fail at looking at the big picture, then whether we hope or not they're going crash and burn anyway. They just need to stop running after the cash dangling in front of their faces and see that they're running straight toward a cliff with sharp rocks on the bottom.
The only possible improvement right now is for someone else to buy their IPs. I say give the FF rights to Bioware and give Square/Enix's board a good lesson in how to run a game company. Not that I believe they will learn, but at least it would be fun watching them squirm.
personally i don't think the failures of one title will be enough for them to go under they'll survive this round and (hopefully) learn from this as a reference for future projects and besides IIRC enix does more than just video games...or have we forgotten that they also help develop/finance the FMA anime?
You learn after failures...usually.
When they believe they can keep on the way they do and increase the price on items in game if it screws up, yes.
Yes they need to go bankrupt...
In this I'd partially agree, but I worked for a game company... the casual market thrives on micro transactions. I'm a gamer in the traditional 90's geek sense. Microtransactions to the casual gamer really are quite strange to us as gamers who have been doing this over 10 years, but they really do work.
If you want the reality of it, it does go back to piracy. The MMO market, the microtransactions, the casual gaming on facebook, it really is birthed in large part due to the industry adapting to losing a good chunk of the profits to pirates.
And don't use that foolish argument that a download doesn't mean it would have been a sale. The retarded companies say it would be a 1:1 ratio, but most smart companies still know that it could have been upwards of 1/4th or more of those people would have bought it eventually, even if the price decreased over time, there WOULD have been sales that would have helped considerably in making more expansive games the next time around.
The industry stagnation can very easily be traced in large part to piracy due to fear of taking risks. So wanting one of the last remaining 'traditional' companies who was rebirthed by the very fact that they made a worthy game that sold well when they were in their death throws (Original FF) to fail is the mark of a truly thoughtless gamer.
This is going to be an Albertsons soon...
What's Square-Enix again? Thought so.
"Does that mean if players drop to zero in some weeks Squeenix is done for?"
are you implying this is not already the case?
They are still having conferences, so not yet.
conferences about juicing the remaining players
I love how there is still a small percent of ppl "white-knighting" FFXIV saying it will be the best game ever in the future with lots of players... yet the reality is that this game might even break a giant like SE.
Hi, we spent a billion yen on an MMO with less than 10 000 players online. And we are making it F2P... I love to see SE burn in hell for the tard they produced. Players do have power to say "no!". As this clearly demonstrates.
The only worthwhile thing you said is 'Players have the power to say no.' Do you really want a company that can produce such powerful work to fall? Seriously? Require that they learn from their mistakes, yes, but what the tumbling fuck do we gain from some of the most talented creators in the industry crumbling into dust?
They've had one test in FFXIII, showing that while it wasn't catastrophic to intelligent people, it didn't fulfill the desire for an open atmosphere, and FF14 was obviously someone who wasn't in this for the games making decisions they should never have made. Trust me, the developers are incredible, but they usually only see as far as their computer monitor where they make beautiful stuff happen. It's the people with the overview who unfortunately are plucked from management placement where they really shouldn't be in a creative industry at all simply because they can delegate.
Square hasnt made a worthwhile product since the snes ...
They need to die already so they can sell their IP to good developers.
>Implying Front Mission 3 isnt good
how about you fuck off and die, you are the problem too
If you honestly think that, then you lack perspective to such a degree that I can't even fathom what you're thinking. You're obviously one of those people who played those games during your formative years and are completely devoid of understanding that nothing will ever, ever be as meaningful as what you played during those years.
The games are superb to anyone who actually played them without listening to mindless chattel before even playing them and enjoyed them for what they were. Can they be better? Absolutely. Will I consider them utter failures because they didn't meet unreasonable expectations? No, only a moron would be that shallow.
Yeah yeah, way to go douchebag. Stop spending your energy here and fap off.
You're absolutely right... my apologies, I'll stop giving you any credit whatsoever. How idiotic of me for even thinking you deserved to be considered seriously. I've insulted you by considering you to be an intelligent human being.
D'oh! LOL
Kudos HouseLife
Huh? People are....INTELLIGENT?!!!! Blasphemy!!
I'll admit I can find some level of entertainment value in most of their games over the years, but FFXIII and FFXIV seem completely devoid of any quality...
They seem to be on a downward slop and this last two 'gems' has left me wondering if they have the capacity to learn any longer...
Ditto. All the creative thinkers were probably moved away somewhere while the "yes-men who only stay for the salary" stayed behind.
They couldn't afford FFXIV to fail. It did. Stockholders know this. It shows.
It has been many years since I actually enjoyed a SE game... I mean look at a game like Infinite Undiscovery. Thats right, they used a non-word in a title.
Either the company produces smash hits and some moderate successes OR it won't survive. The gaming industry is "do or die". There is no more room for gambling in this high stakes game. FFXIV was a major gamble. Both players and SE lost, big time.
Whos fault is it? Is it the players fault that it came out in such a piss poor condition even tho we wrote millions of posts, articles and bug reports during alpha and beta? We really tried, SE didn't listen at all and now they pay the price. I am overall happy with the massive failure.
When they invested this much into their sequential opus, they should NOT have tried to add so many new and strange ideas into it along with many questionable ideas. The reason why the game is failing is a combination of all the things that you are not supposed to put into an MMO as well as the fact that the game is still an obvious Beta. Of course no one want to play it, there was no effort to appeal to the consumers in making it.