China: “It’s Japan’s Own Fault They Were Rammed”
- Categories: Japan, News
- Date: Nov 6, 2010 11:07 JST
- Tags: China, Crime, Mass Media, Okinawa, Politics, Senkaku Complex, Video Gallery
China’s reaction to the release of video showing its fishing ship ramming two Japanese coast guard vessels is to blame the incident on Japan, saying it was their actions which were illegal.
The Chinese foreign ministry press conference held in response to the leak laid the blame firmly on Japan:
“The reason the collision occurred was because Japan was interfering with and attempting to block the passage of a Chinese fishing vessel in the waters off the Diaoyu Islands, which are Chinese territory. Japan’s actions themselves were illegal.”
Chinese public opinion is even less accommodating:
“Japan should be crushed”
“The Diaoyu Islands are Chinese territory so it doesn’t matter who rammed them, it’s Japan’s fault for going there and ramming them”
“Technology is so advanced nowadays, it’s probably a fake”
In Japan public opinion is inflamed, despite the efforts of politicians and media to deflect attention away from the video’s content by trying to pretend the issue is that the video was leaked at all, not what it shows.
Surveys have already revealed the vast majority of the public wanted the government to release the video, and that a similar proportion approve of the leak.
The more paranoid elements of the ruling party have gone so far as to call it an “act of terrorism aimed at overthrowing the government.” Others in the party ludicrously blamed the leak on North Korea, saying they may have intercepted satellite communications.
Authorities have vowed to track down and arrest the elusive “sengoku38” whistleblower, though his current identity and how and when he came into possession of the video are completely unknown.
This creates the surreal possibility that the Japanese government will hunt down and imprison one of its own citizens for releasing a video of the incident, after having already released the captain of the ship which rammed two coast guard vessels without charge, flying him home to China in a chartered jet to a hero’s welcome.
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It's Japan's fault that we make food out of cardboard!
It's Japan's fault that our internet is censored!
It's Japan's fault that we DEERRRRRRRPPPPPP!
You forgot the bridges made out of styrofoam and the sewage oil.
It's eco-friendly.
"Green" is the new black.
/faggotry
Technically Japan is indeed partially responsible. If they didn't invade China, the Nationalist would've been able to consentrate in beating the filthy Communists. The commies were literally on the verg of extinction when the Nationalist started diverting their assets into fighting the Japanese.
Instead, while the Nationalists were fighting the Japanese, the Communists were able to recoup their losts. When the war was over they literally out numbers Nationalists 5 to 1. The Nationalist ended up retreating to Taiwan, all the while the commies were dumping the traditional Chinese values into the toilet. And killing off all the last honest Chinese in the culture revolution. And now we ended up with a buncha backstabbing self centered assholes and their offsprings running China.
Not to mention the One-child policy the Chinese government implemented before which had negative result such as because all attention are directed to them and that will make drama if they don't get what they want.
Imagine the populace that was born after 1978 (which is the year the policy was enforced) become future Chinese politicians... they would likely unleash hell against other countries when they see competition in claiming something like an island, whether it is Senkaku Island, Taiwan, Spratly Island, etc.
It's always Japan's fault.
1945 Hiroshima DURP
what about 1945 nagasaki?
HOHOHOHO
I'm not gonna debate who actually own the island. Chances are, both side's gonna claim it's theirs till the end of time. The problem with Senkau island is that it's not longer about who actually owned the place, it's now about who can cook up the most bullshit to claim the place. And that's a whole different can of worms.
But the fact Chinese are claiming that it is Japanese's own fault that they got ramed is just idiotic. And that they justifies the ramming simply because Japanese patrol boats shouldn't be in Chinese water to begin with is down right retarded. Like what are they trying to say? That they're encouraging ordinary citizens to take up arms and settle scores of terrority dispute on their own with violent means? Against foreign authorities? That's almost like government sanctioning terrorism. If there's gonna be any ramming at all. Shouldn't it be Chinese and Japanese patrol boats ramming each other? Ordinary citizens should have no part of it.
If anything the captain of the fishing ship should be punished for further damaging Chinese reputation.
Bottom line. If you really believe the stupid island is yours so strongly. Fucking schedule your own patrols. Circle the damn island couple times with your own gun boats with your flags everyday.
Don't stage a stupid raming incident to make it look like em japanese are bullying your citizen. All it appears to others is that you're sucha big coward you have to resort to your civis to stand up for you.
If it was a fisherman to begin with. Could all be some elaborate attempt at propaganda not really working as it should, just like the forged "idol group".
Just like the forged "harpooned coast-guard"
WUTNOW?
That was only rumours, remember?
And we're just going to neglect what he said and just focus on the anti-china brigade?
shed light on both sides before bashing the shit outta china.
You're missing the point.
No one's saying anyone got harpooned after they've seen the videos. But china is claiming something against all evidence.
He said it was something he heard, probably as a way of putting pressure on the government to release the video.
You do realize Shintaro Ishihara is a hardcore right winger right? He doesn't exactly have an honest trackrecord. He bullshited way too much for anybody to take him seriously.
Uh no.
"Tokyo governor Shintaro Ishihara reports that the crew of the fishing vessel accused of ramming a Japanese coast guard vessel in the Senkaku islands harpooned a member of the coast guard who was knocked overboard."
Was stated by zee governor.
no rumor bro.
just a lame qq /overruled
However, you must also understand that China's perception of this is totally fucked up to begin with. Their totalitaian regime but ironic still capitalist (the two are complete contradictions) perception of themselves makes anything they do justifiable.
The Chinese citizens are just brainwashed by their forced media. They dont get any other media outlook than their pethetic useless communist media which to be honest, isn't even honest to begin with. The communist governement does not take any responsibility for anything it does and blames everyone for it no matter how bad they have wronged purposely or in the wrong period. The only way to solve that is a total revolution in China and Im sure China can do it, but can't afford it.
China's governement is turning into more of that retarded kid wearing a helmet going on that special schoolbus. Its citizens, I can't blame them to much because they dont have any other media outlook, unless its nationalism and patriotism. If thats the case, I put those citizens on the same place as the China's governement.
China rammed a ship into a Japanese ship intentionally. I believe in that more than the argument that China's bringing up which has no relevance to this matter considering how big the FUCKING OCEAN IS!!!
Fool, you are brainwashed by your chosen media.
China government aren't comunist to begin with.
So you can stop stating that them and their media was so.
you'd be surprised at how much nationalism goes on in there. I go back there and I get shunned cuz I can't read some chinese >.>
well said star it's clear that the current regime in china is bored and wants to start some drama with it's neighbors
also: senkaku/sankaku? <- did anyone noticed this besides me? (i didn't want to bring it up but no one has said it yet)
Has been brought up at leat 10 times already. Someone even registered the domain senkakucomplex.com.
lol now that would be something senkaku complex aimed at defending japan with the power of moe?
he would have been punished but the regime in china is one of bigotry and having undisputed power over it's citizens so corruption remains an all time high over there of course each country's gov. is in some way or another corrupt but china takes the cake in that department...
Same goes for all countries.
Go live in Anartica if you want freedom you faggot.
Cyanide gas can solve that. I agree with Anon.
Penguins are racist to people though... D:
So one option to handle illegal action is by ramming shits to them... Geez, how peaceful this world has become. Whatever happens to give a warning call that they have crossed the border (if the border ever even exists...)?
In that case, let's ram China with nukes for their pirated products. It's their own fault that they happen to be in the vicinity of explosion anyway.
well according to their government's logic you'd be right it's their fault for being within blast radius lol ^.^
Wow, Japan must've have the most advanced CG technology in this world. Not even a zillion dollar Hollywood movies can match that.
Its their own fault they got in the way of the fist/missile/bullet/tank/etc..
“Technology is so advanced nowadays, it’s probably a fake”
same goes for the media..
"Censorship is so advanced nowadays, it's a freaking propaganda"
Well China thinks it can do everything with its power, somebody should keep those dogs in line before it gets its poop all over the place.
China needs a serious spanking.
Although personally I feel China is in the wrong , since it IS disputed territory (refer to the supposed Chinese/Korean/Japanese ownership history and the agreeable Kaarme/BrownBear posts), why is there so much anti-chinese criticism? Criticise and fix up your own country first, not because your loli/hentai/JAV is threatened.
Didn't Artefact already say in another article that China doesn't have the naval forces necessary to attack Japan?
While China may not have the strongest military power in the world (though this is up for debate), it certainly has way more than Japan.
China also plays a huge role in the world economy.
Knowing the Chinese government, they are more likely to cripple the world economy and let its people suffer just to show the world "their strength and preserve their sovereignty", than the US to wage war against them.
Same goes for Japan.
Both being whinny children
We all knew China would react exactly that way, and we were perfectly right. China's retardedness knows no bounds.
Ramming issue is over.
China can keep denying the whole thing like a stubborn fat ass kid while everyone else knows the kid is an idiot.
Sheesh, everyone keeps going on about that... It wasn't a witness' account, it was a rumor. (which aren't admissible in a court of law by the way)
Probably, though I doubt they actually saw the videos, but instead labelled it as fabricated.
No one loves that mayor anyway.
I still remember his futile attempts at loli censorship.
Tokyo Mayor: "I don't remember saying he was "harpooned" /plee the 5th
stubborn ass japs
Xeros, your avatar is win.
@XerosXIII
agreed
That's how mad this world is. What relieves me and makes me pity the Chinese ppl is that China will fall under it's own weight much sooner than the US.
i agree about that, but america doesn't look so hot right now either. in another two generations or so, we won't have middle class anymore. Its going to be Upper and lower class.
The land of dream is quickly becoming land of minimum wage to those with four year degree
People don't see that this dispute between Japan and China is being spurred on by the US internally and covertly. The US want's to cause tension and have china attack Japan so that the US can come in and "protect" the Japanese people, but secretly securing economic dominance, by going to war with the Chinese.
Don't fall for this petty back and forth distraction, some may say any and every country on this planet would be crazy to go to war with China, that is until a certain superpower powers starts to be sapped away.
Yo, those tin foil hats look pretty cozy! May I have one?
Yo, yeah sure buddy, right after you suck my dick.
Yeah, the United States, weakened by years of fighting dumb wars and their self-inflicted economic recession are looking to pick a fight with a major, nuclear-armed power. That makes a lot of sense.
Economically the US is weakening, but militarily still strong. The US has the biggest GDP and it want's to keep it that way. Right now the US is causing an economic war specifically with China and resulting in harming other countries.
You realize the US is also at war with more countries then just Iraq and Afghan even when going through economy problems? That didn't stop them from beating the war drums in silence.. Just cause the government didn't declare war, doesn't mean it isn't happening.
You do know that if the US does go to war against China over this (if the conflict does escalate that far), its not just going to be a Sino/Jap War w/ US interference. Its going to be a large conflict douchebag. Even if China boasts a large functional force, sinophobics + U.S + Japan (probably by then their army ban regulations would be lifted) can even the number issue out.
God if diplomacy was so simple would there be a need for international consulates/embassy/organisations to maintain these relationships?
Also declaring war, is America stupid enough? Do you really except me to say no? War on terror? Korean War? Vietnamese War? ... good history of American intervention there.
The Fallout series has to start somewhere.
I usually don't like being mean, but you are absolutely fucking retarded. The United States is going to spend more money and soldiers to start a THIRD war against one of its biggest economic partners to protect another economic partner when it can just as easily trade with both of them? Take your conspiracy theory and shove it up your ass. That is some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard.
Let's hear from the Japanese man who got "harpooned".
NEVER AGAIN!
it seems both China and Japan deserve a country-wide facepalm
China is like a stripper's great big sexy ass. It's big, it makes a lot of money, but it's diseased and full of shit (not to mention it exports shit as well).
yeah i hope an anti-censorship regime takes power in japan but also doesn't cave-in to political pressure
US government is investigating who leaked rather than the allegations of abuse in Afghanistan.
"This creates the surreal possibility that the Japanese government will hunt down and imprison one of its own citizens for releasing a video of the incident, after having already released the captain of the ship which rammed two coast guard vessels without charge, flying him home to China in a chartered jet to a hero’s welcome."
I sure hope the japanese government goes down just as fast as the chinese one. It would show that humanity still has some hope left.
"yeah i hope an anti-censorship regime takes power in japan but also doesn't cave-in to political pressure"
Then you shouldn't hope for a change of power, actually. The LDP is pro-censorship and will give in to each and every religious and feminist pressure in this regard (since it helps their agenda). Neither the current nor any other possible government will ever give in to other western demands like banning whaling etc.
The LDP will probably put up a fight against China, but frankly, as an anime fan I couldn't care less about that if they also want to censor my animu and mango.
that is the worst reference I have heard of. Can't we just stick with China being a dick right now.
Any government while trying to imprison anyone who leaks anything. Remember WikiLeak for leaking hundreds of secret government files.
sounds like the u.s.??????? and i am an american!
@MasterX25
So they rape the asses of other countries and then spill their vile seed on them so that the repercussions reaped are heavier on the targets while China just wipes it clean and skedaddles?
Genius!
anon@16:10 I like the ass comparison. It's certainly fitting.
China's government is the saniopurulent asshole.
I can see another headline; 'Chinese Sympathy for Situation Like Coast Guard Vessels: Fucked Sideways'.
How could Japan dare to have ships on the same ocean. It was impossible not to ram them. lol
How many Japanese are lining up to join the Japanese Military?
Less words more action?
Wow. Much like with China, Japan's own government is starting to be it's own worst enemy.
So painfully obvious China want this confrontation. They violated the territorial waters and waited for the Japanese Coast Guard to show up...then rammed'em...so now they feel they can *legitimately* state their false claims to these islands. What a bunch of trolls.
Because Japan still has an army, right?
yes and no. while its true that they officially do not have a standing army, they do have the SDF which is was created to defend Japan and its boarders if threatened. so if by chance they declare their coasts under martial law and a ship just so happens to cross into their waters and refuses to leave then they can technically fire upon said ship, board and aresst them for trespassing etc etc
that count?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Self-Defense_Forces
gotta love that second chinese comment. "it doesn't matter who rammed who, the japanese rammed us." lol china
How dare Japan make ships! If they never became a country they wouldn't have gotten rammed! All oceans belong to us- Chinese Public.
Japanese filming the very first Boat rape by a Chinese fishing boat those Japanese enjoy watching that boat getting rammed from behind to many times.
What part of "Self Defense" you can't understand?
Japan's leftists have always been finding ways to destroy any Pro-Peace development between the two countries.
But in the end like always, it is the civilians who suffer the stupidity of the activists on both ends.
Really??????? It's Japan's fault because they moved forward when the Chinese boat clearly had the right of way? Bullshit.
They were in a fucking ocean, that excuse is weak as hell.
When it come to war, you'll understand the hint "Self-defend"
Some people seem to think that all self defense must be done in a reactionary nature.
Self Defense can be done pro-actively too, Usually in the form of avoidance, deterrence and deescalation. If it came to war though, you can damn well expect that the self defense force would be an 'army'.
Unfortunately Japan is decades behind China in the unfortunate case of it coming to war. This is where pro-active self defense comes in, China is big and aggressive, it throws its might all over... and it is sadly my opinion despite my like of the Chinese, that there government agenda's really need to be shut the fuck down.
World war 3!
If a large ship shows up, the small ship must give way! That's how it has always work in the sea.
"...they do have the SDF which is was created to defend Japan and its boarders..."
Indeed, but the JSDF functions more like a border patrol with military grade equipment than an actual army because:
"All SDF personnel are technically civilians: those in uniform are classified as special civil servants and are subordinate to the ordinary civil servants who run the Ministry of Defense. There are no military secrets, military laws, or offenses committed by military personnel; whether on-base or off-base, on-duty or off-duty, of a military or non-military nature, are all adjudicated under normal procedures by civil courts in appropriate jurisdictions."
Knew that those fella will say that the video is edited. Lame excuses.
I think the Chinese guy was trying to see how long he can fish in the Japanese water until he got caught.
Its not how much Japanese want to join the arhow my, really many of them can? at the current physical rate of otaku which dominates Japan, they will probably be used as human barriers or distraction while the REAL japanese soldies do the fighting.
last time i checked the fishing boat looked as though it deliberately turned towards the japanese vessel just so they can ram the japanese and now china is blaming japan FOR BEING RAMMED BY A CHINESE BOAT!?
two words to china: FUCK YOU!
Boat's made in japan.
China is just attempting to further it's pathetic ambitions to steal the Senkaku islands..(and perhaps some day, Okinawa as well). It went from being a debated to being "their territory".
"It is actually written down on paper, that the Senkaku Islands belongs to Japan without question and it is recorded on a WW2 document that was overseen by the US..."
Em...actually that's because US ignored China and Taiwan's protest and their claim over the islands, and handed the islands over to Japan back then.
To be honest, those islands is no more belong to Japan than China, but Japan strongly believe the islands belong to them because "US says so" and if anything does go wrong, they could always drag US into this if needed.
The world is full of territories that changed owners in WW2, against the wishes of someone. For example the southernmost Kuril Islands. So, simply denying the transfer that happened during/after the WW2 means absolutely nothing. I'm myself from a country that lost 10% of its historical area, including the second largest city. Today they still belong to the WW2 offender and will most likely do so forever. If China really wants Senkaku, it needs to attack and occupy, not stare at meaningless history books.
Not the Chinese but its Government ?
Considering Japan Claimed the islands well over 100 years ago without any complaints from the Chinese (until it was discovered to have natural gas and oil deposits) I'd say they own it.
Japan is the wife of a certain president...
A certain new NIS game for the PSP said so~
(Kudos to the people who got this reference~)
"its not only the chinese government. hell their people are just as bad. rude, unscrupulous, loud and uncouth. they're just a bunch of selfish people that will go to any lengths for
their personal gains."
wel...very similar to usa with Bush, no? -_-"
Okay lets settle this; no more rage comment about China pls, but i do admit our stupid government is up for a consipiracy.
Only some of us know that this was all acted out, in order to see if the US would gladly support Japan or take any actions or go against china, since they have administrated the islands in the past... government is never truthful, and it brainwash its peoeple. Many of us here still believe China has full claim to dioayudao and ignoring the fact of history////
But please understand the fact that China never invade another country. What makes you think China lack that resource for oil?
i spotted a canadian-who-thinks-he-is-chinese-but-cannot-speak-chinese person here. kinda laughed in pity. How pessimistic about what your other canadian/chinese cunt of a friend says about going back to china and find it bad, ever heard of a culture shock? If you hate to be born as a Chinese and don't respect your own mother land, than fuck you, hang yourself, feed your flesh to a dog and get sodomized by a japanese AV star plox.
Something similar came up while back actually. Japanese were claiming that Korean island named Bokdo was their land. It caused a huge stink back then. Now China is pulling the same trick the Japanses used on Korea.
What goes around really do comes around i guess.
BTW, the land is not vital due to oil, its more to do with fishing territory. If that land belongs to China, thats huge loss to japan fishing zone and huge gain to china
@*everyone*
Japan does own the senkaku Islands. they obtained them from China well before WWII in the treaty of Shimonoseki and never gave them back.
They are also closer to the Japanese city of Ishigaki than they are to Taiwan.
@09:12: Tibet. (And if you study Chinese history, you'll find it drenched in blood. Empires don't just happen, they start small and grow by conquest.)
@09:25: And I spotted an asshole.
Quite apart from whether the territory assignment was fair in WWII, it's 2010 now and almost all the people involved are dead by now. The Chinese living now have no more claim to the Senkaku Islands than they have to any other piece of rock on the planet.
You aren't born entitled to anything except possibly for that which you already have. And even then there are a lot of people who say that has to be earned as well, through things like honour, magnanimity, decency, and suchlike. And I haven't seen much of that coming from either the Chinese government, or its people, I'm sorry to say.
I'm a canadian born chinese and I'm damn happy to be born in Canada.
I ain't going to China "to find my heritage", fuck that shit.
I have a friend who went to China for the first time, she's also canadian born chinese. Came back from China totally dissapointed.
I got another friend who work as a humanitarian aid worker for the floods, she told me china's the worst country ever.
that was under the 'controversial unfair treaty' that no one bother to look at anymore
It is actually written down on paper, that the Senkaku Islands belongs to Japan without question and it is recorded on a WW2 document that was overseen by the US...
well i agree with you Kaarme. There isn't any right or wrong in this unfair world, there is only who is the bigger boss. Just like US finding weapon of mass destruction, ha ha Where is it dude? Any sorry said , payment? Nothing! Who is the greatest barbarian? Nope, not US, cos they are the big brother at the moment.
its not only the chinese government. hell their people are just as bad. rude, unscrupulous, loud and uncouth. they're just a bunch of selfish people that will go to any lengths for their personal gains.
Steal? Japan doesn't own it either genius
Have a cry.
YOUS IGNANT!
In China tanks stop if you get on their way, though.
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A martyr's a brewin'.