The Japanese government is being accused of mounting a cover-up worthy of China itself, as not only is it fighting demands that it release a coast guard video of an alleged ramming of a coast guard ship by a Japanese vessel at every step, it is also only offering a 6 minute video of an incident which took nearly 3 hours to unfold.
Critics are already accusing it of editing the video to show China in a less unfavourable light.
Debates about whether to release the video of the incident to public continue, with still no conclusion reached. The government/DPJ position is that the video must not be released as it could “damage relations with China.”
The alternative is a limited showing of part of the video to selected Diet members – a measure unlikely to satisfy the public or anyone else outside of the party.
However, suspicions are mounting over the video itself, which is said to constitute a DVD containing only 6 minutes of video, despite the entire incident having taken 2 hours and 40 minutes to unfold, during which time the coast guard was able to meticulously document everything which happened.
Opposition LDP politicians have openly voiced doubts about whether the government is trying to cover something up: “It is mysterious. Has it not been edited?”
All that has surfaced so far are official accounts made by the government with Chinese relations in mind and the less than reliable testimony of the accused captain and the Chinese government.
The video seems to have convinced Okinawa prosecutors they could have won a conviction, and photos of the Chinese vessel show a large and powerful ocean-going ship which could easily have been involved in a ramming – aside from this evidence just what went on is a closely guarded secret for some reason.
Tokyo governor Shintaro Ishihara has already claimed he has heard that the video shows the Chinese fishermen harpooning a Japanese coast guard member, certainly incendiary content which could conceivably topple the government and discredit China completely.
As part of their efforts to see the video never sees the light of day, a senior DPJ politician even began claiming that releasing it would violate the human rights of those involved in the investigation, remarks which were widely interpreted as referring to the Chinese captain originally charged with ramming the ship.
In light of this and the size of the cuts it is easy to see why many are convinced the government will now do anything it takes to protect relations with China – even preparing a heavily doctored version to show to the Diet or public in the event withholding the video becomes untenable.
In other news, when asked whether they think the video should be made public, 95% of Japanese agreed:
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Can't they go to bloody war already?
But then that means all the Chinese otaku will sent to re-education camps in which they'll have to watch shitty state-drawn animu
either that or chinese otaku get slaughtered by the thousands, not by the police, but by patriot neighbors... (seeing that most chinese ppl still hate japanese ppl) though, a way better solution would be for both sides to just split everything evenly and get over with the whole thing... i mean, ITS JUST A FEW ISLANDS WITH NO INHABITANTS, why the hell would they do something so costly as START A WAR on something like that? *thinks of possible responce* yes there might be oil or rare minerals there but seriously, look at the pros and cons *thinks of another responce* you can't say it's china's fault nor can you say it's japan's fault, both sides can be blamed, or both sides can be just, there's ppl supporting china and there's ppl supporting japan, it's something which can't be solved without compromising... and also... if u think 1 piece of disputed territory is bad, take a look at all around the world, if u take out all the land that's labeled as "disputed territory" u'd end up with something the size of australia xP
That the release of the video will damage its relation with China cannot be doubted. However what would interest me is how exactly will it damage its relation:
Is it because it makes China look like an lying bastard, or is it because it reveals that the Japanese government has been lying and tarnish their reputation internationally.
Personally, I'd say it's the second. Because I doubt that Japan would even hesitate for a second if the first case would be true.
Personally, I'd say it's both.
The relation is pretty much damaged already so yeah, you're right.
Unless there is a secret backroom dealing, ie. China will support Japan over one of the other islands in contention with Korea.
STFU and suck me off BITCH!!!! right NOW!
First thing is China does have reason to go with war with Japan and i am sure those countries who was terrorize by japan during WW2 will support them.
Secondly, if i was the japan government i would have to keep good relation with china as it is a rising power and my industries is in china as if our relation is broken, japan will more or less have a economy break down and worse case there will be war and japan will surely lose 100%.
Thirdly US cannot help japan as they OWNED CHINA money. So US decides to help the china government will force US to return them their money and therefore they will be killing their own economy.
either that or chinese otaku get slaughtered by the thousands, not by the police, but by patriot neighbors... (seeing that most chinese ppl still hate japanese ppl) though, a way better solution would be for both sides to just split everything evenly and get over with the whole thing... i mean, ITS JUST A FEW ISLANDS WITH NO INHABITANTS, why the hell would they do something so costly as START A WAR on something like that? *thinks of possible responce* yes there might be oil or rare minerals there but seriously, look at the pros and cons *thinks of another responce* you can't say it's china's fault nor can you say it's japan's fault, both sides can be blamed, or both sides can be just, there's ppl supporting china and there's ppl supporting japan, it's something which can't be solved without compromising... and also... if u think 1 piece of disputed territory is bad, take a look at all around the world, if u take out all the land that's labeled as "disputed territory" u'd end up with something the size of australia xP...
Lingering resources, buddy.
Looks like WW3 will be delayed though,, .. for a while
Tis so obvious a spy-vessel and given the lack of reporting initially by Japanese media it clear they didn't want this to be come the big issue it has. I'd bet the true video would show a much more *negative* China and that's what is trying to be covered-up. Japan can't afford a huge dust-up with China.
There were hundreds of ships fishing near Senkaku Islands every day before the collision occured. All of them could could be spies.
Didn't japan claim the islands as their some decades ago? While china claimed them just recently when it became known that there was large amount of reserves beneath the ground?
I dislike many things about what is going on in China but I fear the Japanese coast guard was in error. Is it inconceivable that the cover up is not to protect showing a bad view of China but that of Japan? Also, at the rate it is going, it almost seems easier for them to have sunk the Chinese vessel (with the crew). An extreme decision…such as pointing out tourists as spies…maybe next time.
I am the only one who read Sankaku in the title instead of Senkaku?
Does it make a difference? A delay shows that there is something to hide. Whether or not it would be damaging to China or Japan is not the issue. Why is the government still trying to hide it? Debate all we want, but the government is still trying to hide it for whatever reason.
The accusation that China claimed them when there are large amount of reserves is slippery because China will just claim that the Japanese stole the islands in the first place for its resources.
The argument ends up in a stalemate because Japan claims that they have treaties that ceded control over to Japan. However, Senkaku Islands were not explicitly named in the treaties and hardly anyone acknowledges the treaties.
Those are official treaties, not acknowledging them doesn't matter. The Islands belong to Japan and that's it. In the highly unlikely case they would get taken away from Japan the islands would go to... Taiwan, not China.
China can do a handstand and wobble it's ass cheeks all it wants, Senkaku doesn't belong to them. Now that we're at it, they should be thrown out of Tibet as well.
"Didn't japan claim the islands as their some decades ago? While china claimed them just recently when it became known that there was large amount of reserves beneath the ground?"
Incorrect, up until 1895 China had ownership of the islands, but after the first Sino-Japanese war China surrendered Taiwan and "all surrounding islands" to Japan - which included the Senkaku/Daioyutai islands. Japan was forced to surrender all conquered territories after WW2, but since the islands were uninhabited and there was political turmoil in China and Taiwan, nobody could dispute their claims that the Senkake/Daioyutai islands were among the islands surrounding Taiwan. America officially transferred control of the islands to Japan and both Taiwan and China have been bitching about it ever since.
Honestly, if anything it's a part of Taiwan. It's half the distance to Taiwan than it is to Japan and there are more (and older) historical references to the islands in ancient Chinese and Taiwanese texts than in Japanese texts.
If Japan own the islands then they have to right to protect their property.....
I am supporting China on this actually. This case is very similar to Toktou/Takeshima island Korea has with Japan.
Japan conceded the island in a questionable war and questionable treaty. The first Sino-Japanese war wasn't exactly fair, with Japan being the aggressor.
Since when has war ever been fair?
So you think it is wrong to stand up against unfairness?
So Schrobby, when the day your homeland's taken over by China, you should bite the dust and acknowledge that since war isn't fair, the land China now occupies which was formerly your motherland, is and will always remain a part of China. LOL
Go blow a horse.
Its China's and Japan doesn't really have anything to back it up.
USA helping? USA owes China money, wars won't happen because face it China wins.
Chinese soldiers have the motivation to fight(WW2).
LOL what an IDIOT 095229 anon is
To anonymous,
As a Taiwanese person, not even for. A second has the PRC ever. owned Taiwan, and very few of us like china, so I don't feel that the Treaty of Shimonoseki was "stealing land from China".
Then again, taiwanese people like Japan rather than china...
"As a Taiwanese person, not even for. A second has the PRC ever. owned Taiwan"
Taiwan was annexed by the Qing in 1683 and they maintained unbroken control for 300 years until the dynasty collapsed, 86% (70% Hoklo, 15% Hakka) of Taiwanese people are descended from Chinese immigrants, 12% are descended from the Chinese that came along with the KMT, and only 2% are aboriginal (native) Taiwanese.
Is Taiwan a part of modern-day Communist China? No. Was it a province of Imperial China? Yes. Does hating China or the Chinese make sense? Not unless you're part of the 2% native Taiwanese, because China would be your ancestral homeland otherwise.
War....War never changes....
I thought em animu are already drawn mostly by Chinese studios anyway.
mainly korean studios actually
south korean
anon 14:00 If you're talking about bootleg then sure, otherwise like the other two anon said it is South Korea.
I am okay with that
@Daniel
PERISH THE THOUGHT!!!
The last thing I need is for Comiket (and future anime shows) to be canceled because of something stupid war because of an equally stupid incident like this...
Not to mention the threat of nukes that would kill potential anime seiyuus and hentai/anime artists if war indeed occurred because of this crap...
@MKS
Amen, friend~
The japanese government should either rot in jail for treason and get deported to their beloved China. I'm all for the latter.
yay trolling! gj Schrobby for 3 posts all with different points of view of ownership!
but the chinese said ''no you wont watch the enemies art you hate the formal enemie and you wacth our anime''!
no because Russia, Korea, and the U.S. would get involved thus creating an even bigger mess of things and right now none of the countries listed including china and japan can't afford a war especially when they all rely on one another for trade and stuff
WW3!!!!!!! o-o lets hope to hell that before that time comes i'll be dead from watching too much anime without rest.. or it'd be hell all over again -.-
I hope by then that all the cute girls, traps, and lolis are far away from in a distant planet...Oh, and also anime seiyuus and artists~
Let the insecure men and women (but mostly men) f*ck each other up the ass with their wars...
I'd migrate to that planet.
wouldnt this mean that USA would go to war with china since their responsible for protecting japan because of ww2?
exactly, and i dont think americans can afford another war
Americans are good at doing things they can't afford which in this case would be favourable to the rest of the world
They could pay the war with the debts they won't have to pay China anymore. Also they'd gain access to the chinese ressources. The USA hunger for ressources, just like China, Russia or the EU.
hun... as long as the UN's in place, a large scale war between the US and China is improbable, and +, 2 superpowers in the world going to war with eachother, that'll end the world as we know it
The US haven't been giving a shit about any of their responsibilities or treaties these last few years, except to Israel, in case you hadn't noticed.
I think that would be a very bad idea for Japan, as it doesn't have the military strength to take on China. Now, I don't know how their allies would react, but it could well turn into a huge international conflict, one which most would likely want to avoid.
Japan's forces are not to be underestimated.
LOL, find some facts to show that Japan has the militaristic strength to take on China without the support from the US.
Lets see...
Japan
Navy = 46,000 members,
JSDF (Self Defence Force) = 239,430 members, 147,737 land + 44,327 water + 45,517 maritime, 57,899 reserves...
well that's japan,
China
Republic of China Navy = 53,000 members,
People's Liberation Army Navy = 250,000 members
People's Liberation Army = 7,555,000 members (#1 in army size)
yeah.... Japan doesn't have a chance in war... and the US isn't going to join easily since the 3 superpowers in the world are currently USA, China, and United Kingdom...
>United Kingdom
> superpowers
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lol, Schrobby, the military expert
But in all seriousness, the PLAN would get its ass kicked by the JSMDF. Current PLAN tech is at 1970s - 80s Soviet Era stuff, with very little training in offensive operations. Therefore, all that "Chinese Military Strength" is useless if the PLA can't project it. THe only way the Chinese could hit Japan would be with the 2nd Arty Corp's cruise missles.
@anon13:18
Well all that PLA ground numbers won't mean shit if the Chinese can't project it (aka. land on Japan). Which means if war was to erupt, it would heavily depend on China's navy, air force, and 2nd Arty Corps.
As of 2010, the PLAN is not capable of taking on the JSMDF (a combination of lower tech [western analysts say the PLAN vessels have about as much force projection as the Soviet Navy in the 70s], and lack of training in offensive ops). Not to mention, I believe the US 7th Fleet is permanently stationed in Japan so China would lose its navy handily.
PLAF and JSDF apparently has achieved parity (as several new PLAF fighter planes have managed to lock onto Jap F-2s in a few incidents, but would have to face both American Carrier and land-based fighters). Without a powerful enough air force and navy, the PLA ground forces have very little projectable power and can only be counted on to fight a defensive war (which is moot since the Japs can't invade them again).
So the most the ChiComs can do is to lob their large amounts of cruise missles at Japan and hope to overwhelm Japanese and American Aegis systems.
China and Japan better step carefully if there really is oil there USA my have to put its foot down and take it from both of you o.0
Because Japan would lose.