Ishihara: “Chinese Fishermen Harpooned Coast Guard”

Oh, I'm not saying it would end nicely for China either. It would create a huge backlash for sure. The only thing China really has going for it is the size of its army and its deathgrip on rare metals. As soon as the naval powers reach their shores, they'd be in huge trouble.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/1089065/1/.html

I quote the following statement in this report.

"The increased Chinese activity in its southern waters has sparked a defence rethink in which Japan plans to deploy more forces to its scattered southern islands and away from Cold War-era locations in the north near Russia."

If it happens, i wonder how China will react to this?

Depends on how badly their propaganda engines decide to spin it.

No one actually think of who started this problem?
USA is the one who put the island under japan rule after WW2, they are the one trying to stir problems with japan and neighbours. Part of their plan to put asia under control. But with all the manufacturing in china, i think any war with China will cause a more global problem than with USA. It will hit us the bystanders backside hard!

@ BrownBear 13:32:

......... no

go home, the men in white coats are waiting

@ Anon 14:13

ignorance is bliss aint it?

Not black coat? MIB right?

The manufacturing that is now in China was previously elsewhere. If something were to happen to China, it would relocate to safer grounds. Sure, it would mean a few years of scarcity, but if a major war broke out, not getting the latest video card would be a minor inconvenience in comparison.

"So far, all that is known for certain is that the government is refusing to release the video – presumably either because it would destroy Sino-Japanese relations as they have said, or because it would bring down the government when the extent of the government’s appeasement of China became known."

If the video shows chinese murder attempts everyone should take a crap on the Sino-Japanese relations. Down with the corrupt japanese government. Treason is beyond excuse.

Dun worry, if there is a war, japan will send all the otaku with tanks and planes painted with MOE characters hoping no one will bear to shoot them

The US actually has a vested interest in keeping stability in the region... seeing as they are so involved economically with both countries.

There most likely will not be a war over Senkaku Islands because there is no guarantee you will win them no matter how many sacrifices you make.

The other problem is that the international community no longer care who is right or wrong. They are just ready to take sides against whoever instigates war. Both sides are not that foolish to test it.

All the negotiations have resulted in deadlocks because all of the claims and arguments have been refuted or dismissed. There has not been a single new argument or evidence revealed anywhere that can lead to resolving the dispute. It has all been said and nullified or ignored.

The chinese guy might have watched too many frenchies "harpooning" 'green peace' and sea shepherd vids...

not with the current administration! China's the one thats buying our debt.. so basically we're there little sock puppet right now.. so even if it came out... not a damn thing would happen!! not from the US... Spineless weasels..

@11:59 - Debts would be meaningless if it came to military action. The US would freeze all Chinese debts, block all trade, and deal with the consequences. Sure, we might be in trouble with the World Bank and IMF later, but China would be a lot more screwed in both the short term and the long term (losing the U.S. as a consumer would KILL their economy for good).

Also, if China initiated a military invasion or attack against Japan, the U.S. retaliation would be inevitable. The U.S. has a treaty with Japan and it's spelled out quite clearly we will come to their aid in the case of a military action against them. I dunno which backwards nation (*coughfrancecough*) you come from where you don't honor treaties and run from your responsibilities, but we honor ours, even to the exclusion of common sense.

i beg to differ. its cause of the US that Japan doesn't have a full flege armed force. and besides, the japanese economy has a lot of pull in the US economy, so dont think the US will just sit there watching China invade.

I doubt the US would do anything. We have interests in both countries. Obama would likely start sucking dick and begging for it to end. And if the US doesn't get involved, Japan will lose in less then a week.

Not to rain on anyone's parade, but a mere scan from Wikipedia shows a Japanese naval capacity half as strong as China's, though its ranked 3rd in terms of strength, one above China. I'd figure thats due to more advanced equipment, but still...

watch them produce cheap knockoffs "capable" of reaching Japan and I'll laugh when it's all over the news that China's ships were all "sunk by the Japanese" xD

I just imagined destroyers and cruisers who's hulls are made of compactified garbage.

China QUALITY naval war

you sunk my battleship D:

China don't even have an aircraft carrier and even if they come out with one by 2012 which ti the estimated time, it would take them decades to master the art of carrier naval warfare.

I think China doesn't give a shit about other countries, when China's politician feel they're in any danger.... or feel they just need to crush japan, they'll just do it, the problem is their nuclear capability.
I wish china was an actual democratic republic instead of what is now.

too sad to see a nation under such goverment

has noone considered what would happen in china itself if it does go to war? there are plenty of people who dont like the government itself and would gladly break away from the government, sure, central has a army, but a rebellion "funded" by the US can easily be the down fall of china, once china is "downed" russia might feel threatened again and it might quite easily escalate into another cold war

@ Anon 16:48
The problem isn't in the way the country is governed, it's all about who governs. I'd rather live in a Dictatorship with a good dictator, than in a Democracy with morons in the areas of power.

Still, PRoC doesn't have a good leader.

While I do wish the Chinese government reformed into something else, I'd rather it not be the same crippled system the Americans use. The Chinese government is one old beast shitting on its people, the American government is two old beasts taking turns shitting on its people.

Either way, you're getting shat on. I'd rather hate the guy shitting on me than love him just because I voted for him.

If there was ever a conflict I doubt China would go the naval route, probably relying first on cruise missiles. Hell, if the rumors are true a single emp attack would devastate Japan. The emp bomb or missile would have to be non-nuclear though, being they have a "No first use" policy.

@ Yuuyu:

I understand the logic behind thinking like that, but the problem is you can't guarantee a "good" dictator to stay good forever, nor will you ever know how good he really ever was. At least with idiot leaders in a democracy positions of power get cycled out.

Well if China instigates, Japan is the least of their problems because Japan is a well respected Democracy while China is a people's republic. Should it actually step a single foot out of line, it would draw the ire of a lot of other countries. There is also the fact that despite China's status, it isn't surrounded by friends.Outside of North Korea, a lot of the Asian nations around it aren't too keen on China's stranglehold in the area.

and the world's economy along with it.

no more china.. no more debt perhaps? america, with the support of its allies is the strongest military force in the world.. meaning its duty is pretty much to police as much of the bullshit as it can to keep ww3 from occuring.

Haters ALWAYS gunna hate, but i know for sure that if the shit hits the fan i will be there to do what has to be done.

USMC 7years

anon 12:47 i'd +1 you if i wasn't anon.

Why would you think that being in debt is a reason NOT to kill someone?

Lol, especially if the one who you're killing is the one you're indebted to. Then the more reasons to kill that "someone" (or, some country).

Nothing works better against debts than war, especially if you attack the one you're indebted to.

Apropos economy, it already IS shattered - and nothing is better for the economy than starting a war.

Nothing works better against debts than war, especially if you attack the one you're indebted to.

Apropos economy, it already IS shattered - and nothing is better for the economy than starting a war.

They will still owe Money, and they will be in trouble with the IMF, not to mention the US would lose lots of Allies, since to most countries in the world China is very important.

"They will still owe Money, and they will be in trouble with the IMF, not to mention the US would lose lots of Allies, since to most countries in the world China is very important."

Nobody of consequence is going to abandon the US in favor of China, especially when the latter has been reduced to rubble. And what would they say anyway? The US would be legally and morally justified in declaring war on China if it attacked Japan.

War can be good for the economy or it can be disastrous, depending on how things play out. For example, the UK didn't complete payment of its debts to the USA for post-WW2 restorations until 2006.

Nobody knows what would happen if that war you and many others seem to dream about started. None in whatever side. Wars never develop according the plans.

China is just replacing US in playing the asshole role

agreed. Those with power can do whatever they want and those standing by can't do anything about it.

you're wrong. US is a dick. Japan is assholes and China is a pussy. get it right.

You got it the other way round.

The Chinese government has to go down. Send some task forces there to get rid of the megalomaniac retards before they turn into mass murderers as well. Oh wait, they already are.

i might point out that this 'evidence' might be worth somewhat more had it been presented somewhat earlier

it just sounds fishy coming in so late

The japanese government holding it back so long only backs up it's credibility.

The problem with the claim is if you got randomly shot by a harpoon and managed to live, would you pretend like nothing happened?

It has been weeks since this incident occurred and this is the first time we heard anything like this related to the dispute.

It's a chinese harpoon. It probably hit the one who shot it. ^_^

Regarding argument 1, keep in mind that Russia is having some issues with China as well, regarding illegal immigration into Siberia.

And considering the whole rare metals and oil there, the Russians are quite aware that this may be a Chinese attempt to legitimize another landgrab.

Russia, China, and Japan all have territorial disputes between each other, all of which were a result of the political instability that occurred before and after WW2. Russia has no more reason to side with the Japanese than they do with the Chinese, regardless of what China does to Japan.

Pretty much what the Anon 14:38 said in relation to Russia,
in which I would also add the increased resentment of the Russian military industry over the PLA copying certain Russian aeronautic technologies might push them to lobby for a war in the Duma which already is in a balancing act with a rise in Russian nationalism, both moderate and radical.

As for the United States: the US public which is already growing more conservative, whether good or bad, will be more tolerant of sending American forces to "counter" the PLA in aid of an ally of strategic importance. Now to what extent will the forces be is unknown but I'd guarantee it'd be nothing like the South Ossetian War in which the United States remained essentially idle.

Russia may be the one to win something with all this, if shit hits the fan, russia will prolly take advantage of this

Everyone will want to get a piece of the huge pie that is China.

Conservative? do you live in the US? The Majority of Americans don't want war, and there's probably more liberals than conservatives right now.

Having another country in debt is only good as long as you have economical relations with said country...if you're at war with them, they're obviously not going to be paying you back.

You are wrong.

China may be sitting on a billion US$ in reserves, which makes it even MORE vulnerable to manipulation by Fed!

Look at the last few years.

China kept exporting and accumulating surplus, and putting the US$ aside. Fed just kept steering dollar lower and lower, and this policy of letting dollar loose value led to Chinese having to watch as much as a third of their accumulated money's worth EVAPORATE. All happening while the value loss kept making the few remaining US exports more attractive on the world markets.

Of course Chinese tried to counter with the manipulation of Yuan, which right now got them in hot water with the WTO they worked so hard to join to avoid getting tarriff'ed to hell.

Best salvo to cook China alive? Have fed announce a one-off, 50% US$ devaluation and see China squirm as 50% of their dollar reserves go *poof*. Then add a 1000% import tariffs based on the difference between costs of living to "average worker" between Hubei and California... byebye Chinese growth?

The french even won at the WTO and got the right to put punitive tariffs on US goods, iirc wines, a few years back. Guess who got hurt more by the whole standoff?

What Chinese are doing is a crude, silly attempt to redirect a simmering discontent inside to a made-up external foe: a classic move of any totalitarian satrapy. The problem is, they tread a fine line between mere redirection and stirring a real conflict. If they loose control, China will collapse in on itself.

And that doesn't account for a risk of remilitarizing Japan. You're forgetting modern japan is sitting on 55 operating reactors, and stores tonnes of used fuel rods. Not to mention only Japan can build a rocket of similiar capability as the russian Soyuz... heck, even NASA's own heavy-lift rockets use russian RD-180 engines these days. Do you really think it'd take them very long to build nukes and ICBMs if they decided they needed them badly? They are already building 22DDH, the first post-WW2 aircraft carriers.

A war would be a great chance for Taiwan to finally become completely independant.

... the amount of facepalming I have to do everytime I read your comment, it really is astounding.

1. If a country want to succeed in this world, it better embrace global trade, and guess which countries are the ones you'll need to deal with?
2. Independence isn't self proclaimation - it is the global community recognizing you as independent, i.e. the Baltic states after the cold war, the break up of former yugoslavia, etc. None of those countries were granted "independent" just cause they claimed so, it took the recognition, and eventual enrollment into the U.N. for that to happen. If Taiwan goes to war with China, there's no way that would happen because China has veto power in the security council.
Please, keep on being ignorant, it's quite entertaining.

Who gives a fuck about the so called "security council"? It's full of fags and does nothing to prevent war. All it does is costing us money.

I would seriously love to see your reaction when the video comes out condemning the Japanese. I am seriously questioning why they haven't yet.
w.e. the outcome, it would definitely bring a speedy conclusion to this; however I wouldn't bet my money on anyone, both government have a pretty shady record.

and death penalty? hm, i'm pretty sure that's not what the sea shepherd crew got.

SHrobby, are you trolling, really that retarded, or just Taiwanese? Because it's kinda pathetic seeing you go through practically every post going "durr hurr, China evil, destroy it!"

anon@08:52 None of the above. China showed often enough what a hellhole it is. That country going down eliminates one of the possible WW III starters.

anon@08:52 None of the above. China showed often enough what a hellhole it is. That country going down eliminates one of the possible WW III starters.

That country going down causes WWIII.
You'd be surprised how large a share of the world economic pie China owns.
In this era of globalization, even if a barely-significant country such as South Africa collapse, the world will feel the backlash.
Need I mention that China provides rare metals that pretty much dominate the world's economy?
No more computers, no more transmission, no more place to store US debt, no more cheap goods...

No, a war against China would be the perfect way to not only push the US economy but also to get rid of the chinese debts.

It would not get rid of chinese debts, do you know how anything works? plus Americans don't want war. Obama won't be sending anyone to war.

He might not have a choice considering the upcoming elections and the ramifications of which on the House and Senate.

wow, great to see shrobby once again demonstrating his lack of knowledge. perhaps you have no idea what it means for China to hold U.S. to debt? it means that for all pratical reasons, the u.s. treasure is in China, and that if China wanted to, it could flood the market with the U.S. dollar and inflate the dollar so much that it'd be worthless.
Of course should this happen, the entire world would be analed.
This is why countries don't go to war with each other, why are there still so many hawks in this day and age, thinking nuking a place is the key? it's such a barbaric thought, worse than the communists

This is why countries don't go to war with each other? Bullshit.

China invaded Tibet. That was a war, not a company fusion.
Now China wants the Senkaku Islands. That's no finance coup either.
China is arming like crazy. What will be next? China annexing Hawaii? Still no problem for you?

Tibet was part of Chinese territory in ALL world maps drawn. If part of any country from within try to declare independence, the country has a duty and every right to send in troops. That's not an invasion.

Honestly Schrobby, why do you keep posting this nonsensical bullshit? Everyone knows how much you hate China, but your misinformation just makes you look like an idiot.

China "invaded" Tibet back in the 18th century, and then reclaimed it under the Communist flag along with the rest of Chinese territory in the 1950s. That's like getting angry at the Japanese for annexing the Ryukyu Islands. On that note, I do hope you don't live in the Americas, since your nation would be built on a foundation of thievery and genocide much worse than what the PRC did to Tibet.

As for the topic at hand, ownership over the Senkaku/Diaoyu islands have been argued extensively for centuries now, and it's pathetic that people would resort to slippery slope arguments like "China annexing Hawaii?" when the underlying issues are nowhere near similar.

And how is the Japanese government bending over backward? Do you actually read the news or do you just lap up the China-quality rumors and "reporting" here?

Watch NHK, watch CCTV, they both have almost daily coverage on the political fallout from this incident, which includes a lot of diplomatic delegations being snubbed by both sides, on both sides. Japanese prosecutors released the captain, they stated their reasons, and every idiot and their dog ignored it in favor of nationalistic/sensationalistic bullshit.

Its funny that the video in an ongoing criminal investigation hasn't been released but the suspect has. So what's up with that contradiction in facts?
If there's a crime on that video: prosecute,
if not: release the video.

If you call someone chicken this much and they don't respond, then they're chicken, it's as simple as that.

The chickenshit japanese government is bending so far to the chinese fags they almost knot.

But to an extent where they fly their naval boats out into the waters near Senkaku Islands, and threatened Taiwan with force a few years back when negotiations aren't going well? I think not.

In the first place, all of China's direct neighbours had no interest in invading China, and so far none of these other countries have showed military aggression to China to make them do that. With their military spending already quite high, even if one argues that they had a bigger army to maintain due to their larger population and land mass, its no excuse. Besides, India's population is comparable to China and its military spending in just one-third of what China spends now.

The reason why everyone is fine with the US spending 6 to 10 times more money in military more than anyone else is because the majority of the general public had the consensus which is "United States is the peacekeeper."

Being more assertive these last few years. Showing military strength. Worrying figures in terms of military spending. All other countries showing no signs of direct aggression to China.

"In the first place, all of China's direct neighbours had no interest in invading China, and so far none of these other countries have showed military aggression to China to make them do that."

Unless Canada and Mexico have been secretly making eyes at invading America, you just invalidated your own statement.

"With their military spending already quite high, even if one argues that they had a bigger army to maintain due to their larger population and land mass, its no excuse. Besides, India's population is comparable to China and its military spending in just one-third of what China spends now."

Here's why China spends more than India: they have a bigger economy. China has pegged its military spending at 2% of GDP, since their GDP has been growing, so has their military spending - now compare that to India spending 2.6% of GDP and America that spends 4.3%, China is actually developing their military LESS than your examples.

Be less of a hypocrite next time, please.

"Unless Canada and Mexico have been secretly making eyes at invading America, you just invalidated your own statement."

Apparently you missed the "The reason why everyone is fine with the US spending 6 to 10 times more money in military more than anyone else is because the majority of the general public had the consensus which is "United States is the peacekeeper." " part.

Nobody gives a shit regarding America's military spending cause everyone thinks they are the police. Pointless point much?

"Here's why China spends more than India: they have a bigger economy. China has pegged its military spending at 2% of GDP, since their GDP has been growing, so has their military spending - now compare that to India spending 2.6% of GDP and America that spends 4.3%, China is actually developing their military LESS than your examples."

You are missing the point. The point is not how the percentage of the GDP and how it may affect India's spending power on its military, the point is on China footing out so much money for its military in the first place. You argue that since India had a pretty low GDP, they can't fork out that much money for their military.

And you hit it right on the head. India, one of the countries that had problems with China regarding the Himalayan mountains, can't spend more than this amount due to their GDP. China had no threat, so why should it have such a big army?

Except the world views Canada as the peacekeeper. America is just the douchebag who like invading undeveloped countries for the lulz.

"Nobody gives a shit regarding America's military spending cause everyone thinks they are the police. Pointless point much?"

By "everybody" you mean "Americans", amirite? Sorry to break this to you, but only America thinks of itself as the world police - if you fail to understand that, think of how pleased you would be if NATO started sticking its nose in US international affairs. How about some nice French and German military bases sitting in Florida, to help you guard against those nasty Cubans, eh?

"You are missing the point. The point is not how the percentage of the GDP [...]"

That only makes sense if "everybody" did indeed accept America is the world's police and that America would swoop in like some gallant, magical white knight to defend their borders from invasion. If you've failed to notice even America's allies aren't so fucking stupid as to stop developing their armies in the blind hope that America will take care of everything, so why should China, who clearly doesn't?

1) Only Americans assume they're the world police, everybody else relies on their own armies and alliances.

2) Why the fuck would a country that doesn't accept America as world police sit idly by and not grow their army then?

""United States is the peacekeeper.""

You know that the peacekeeper country is mostly Canada right?

In the end, China has about as much right and reason as the US in building up their military.

fuck, replied to wrong comment.

You are the one that is wrong since if China nuked Japan then the only other country to be nuked would be China by the US and maybe Russia. Other countries wouldn't allow a country that freely nukes another country without a real reason to exist anymore. Even if China tries to retaliate when the US nukes them with how little Nuclear arms China has everyone of them would be shot down long before reaching the US.

False, we have bases from the north of Japan all the way to Okinawa.

I know how everyone hates on wikipedia as a reference but here you go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Forces_Japan

and lol @ "stupid idiot"