Eco-terrorist group Sea Shepherd is being accused by one of its own captains of having deliberately sunk its own vessel in an effort to frame the Japanese and make for better TV.
Peter Bethune, the Sea Shepherd captain who was arrested and detained in Japan for 5 months after he illegally boarded a Japanese whaling ship on the high seas, has apparently become disillusioned with the organisation, which he subsequently left.
He now alleges that the organisation’s “morally bankrupt” founder Paul Watson ordered him to sink the Ady Gil in order to “garner sympathy with the public and to create better TV.” Watson himself is a wanted fugitive.
He claims the ship was not heavily damaged by the collision with the whalers – “It was definitely salvageable, it was still rock solid from the engine room back.” Western media widely portrayed the ship as having been “sunk” by the Japanese.
Bethune also criticises the scaremongering tactics so integral to the success of environmentalist groups: “I think an organisation that relies on public money and public generosity to survive has an obligation to be honest.”
Sea Shepherd for its part denies it ordered him to scuttle the vessel – although strangely the wording of the denial does not seem to deny that the ship was deliberately scuttled:
“No one ordered him to scuttle it. Pete Bethune was captain of the ‘Ady Gil’, all decisions on the ‘Ady Gil’ were his.”
Sea Shepherd claims it distanced itself from Bethune after the incident in order to ensure he received a light sentence. At the time of the incident it attempted to bring charges of piracy against Japan.
Bethune did at least receive a light sentence (although he was detained for 5 months) – a Tokyo court convicted him of obstructing commercial activities, trespass, vandalism and carrying a knife, imposing a 2 year suspended sentence.
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Oh yes nobel cause, one of your own got "sunk" by the japanese and then scapegoat out of it (buh-zing!)
I stand by with what something I said once
all of this is an attempt at a good cause gone horribly wrong.
I never knew environmentalist groups brought in income...
Nonono, it's not income...it's "donations for a good cause"
Same like Agnes-chan's donations for imaginary Somalian children :3
No no, it's not Somalian children that Agnes-chan was talking about! It's Somali-Land children!
Don't forget that Somaliland is stable and has a decent economy going on thanks to shipping ports and tourism. Unless she sees a 4x4 technical with a PKM machinegun attached dragging corpses of rival militias, Agnes is in no fucking way in Somalia yet!
It's neither Somalian nor Somali-Land children, Agnes-chan only saves the drawings of the children.
What about the drawings of Somalian children?
Paul Watson (Sea Shepherd) : Pathetic lying coward
How do you think PETA is such a massive organization?
Ecoterrorists can only survive on the money of the easily swayed.
All private activity groups need money. Cut their funds and they are gone really fast.
And that won't happen until stupid people stop giving them their money.
i think that's how most reasonable people (or maybe just informed people) view Sea Shepard.
their cause in general is perfectly fine.
the problem is Sea Shepard, the specific organization, are a bunch of terrorists.
all terrorists have a cause, that doesn't justify anything.
they are to animal protection what ELF is to environmental protection.
and all the groups that are really doing anything productive don't support these groups cause they know groups like Sea Shepard make life more difficult.
Good cause? Meddling with a research/commercial vessel that was catching Minki whales?
Minki whale populations are quite large, and they are far from going extinct. Unless you're suggesting that no one should catch any fish ever. Or eat animals for food. OH GOD IT'S A VEGAN, KILL IT WITH FIRE!
Actually, there's logical reasons not to. For one, the Japanese vessels have hunted many other whale types to near extinction before and they really can't be trusted. Secondly, by international law, commercial whaling is not allowed.
Thirdly, and probably the most important reason of all to the Japanese citizenry, whale meat is second rate. They're trying to pass off second rate whale meat as high quality fish and it is outright food forgery. What worse, most large mammals like whales on the oceans have high concentration of mercury.
Many Japanese side with the whalers for the nationalistic interests ("we don't want foreigners meddling!"), but on an objective view, the whaling efforts are not helping the Japanese much.
Other ventures like overhunting tuna is a problem too, though that comes off across as harder to control when most fisheries in the world are overhunting fish all the time.
International Law applies only to the nations that ratify it. If japan doesn't ratify an international law in its own national legislature then they do not have to obey it as they are not bound by it.
They did not pass the law that bans whaling through their parliament so the Japanese authority do not have to enforce it and the Japanese do not have to follow it.
Greenland is a semi-sovereign country that continually refuses international law. Whaling bans, even the Geneva conventions. It can kill all the whales and torture people to its hearts content and no one will have the authority to stop them (except Denmark, the people who own Greenland but even that connection is minuscule to say the least)
Good points. Though that kind of willfulness kind of lets eco-activists just run amok at will since the Japanese are standing on the same ambiguous moral border while doing so. And yet when their activities gets interfered, they go to the 'official' sources like the IWC (International Whaling Commission) which is basically paid off by Japanese dirty-money (aka, outright bribes and whoring out of delegate nations).
This is really not a secret to the Japanese public either, even though the media may do the damndest to paint all Japanese activity as righteous and in the morally correct. I think the truly smart and independently thinking Japanese would know otherwise. Of course, Sea Shepard and its activities runs the gamut of dangerous to downright near pirate like, though at this point, both sides are plenty to blame for physical encounters. From many footages, it's apparent that the Japanese fleet is much faster, has better radar and has more physical weapons to fight with. So for them to play victim is a bit strange..
"And yet when their activities gets interfered, they go to the 'official' sources like the IWC (International Whaling Commission)"
That's what your supposed to do. Its why it was created. to settle whaling disputes between countries and organizations.
"which is basically paid off by Japanese dirty-money (aka, outright bribes and whoring out of delegate nations)."
Source please. I'm from a whaling country (Greenland) and know very well drama that comes with the IWC. Japan rarely gets what they want out if it and are considered spoiled, tranny crybabies from other countries that rely on whaling. There's a saying from Greenland about japs and azns in general. "There's no men in Japan"
"I think the truly smart and independently thinking Japanese would know otherwise"
Either your smart and Japan is stupid or your stupid and Japan is smart. Don't you dare generalize people you agree with as "independent thinkers" while demonizing people who don't think like you. It makes you look like you're going full on retard. Whaling is highly respectable in Japanese society and is widely accepted. Not having your mindset doesn't make them any less independent.
"both sides are plenty to blame for physical encounters"
Self defense against a a bunch of eco-terrorists does not put them to blame. Sea Shepard is a group full of violent fanatics who have no problem with bombing ships with sulfuric acid which and freezes up with contact with salt in the middle of the ocean putting the engines in danger of freezing up. I'm sure they wouldn't bat an eye if they did succeed only to leave them to die at sea.
"From many footages, it's apparent that the Japanese fleet is much faster, has better radar and has more physical weapons to fight with"
Yes these were all made to defend themselves from the crazy that harasses them daily. Its far from wrong. Its the right and proper thing to do to ensure that they come home safely.
"So for them to play victim is a bit strange"
No it makes perfect sense. Their sick of being harassed by eco-crazies. Their sick of being up into danger by them. Everything they have done has been defensive. If by good one of those whaling ships decided to mount a 12MM cannon on the front and give the eco-crazies the fight their hoping for then I will be cheering them on.
"Source please. I'm from a whaling country (Greenland) and know very well drama that comes with the IWC. Japan rarely gets what they want out if it and are considered spoiled, tranny crybabies from other countries that rely on whaling. There's a saying from Greenland about japs and azns in general. "There's no men in Japan""
You're right, it's just that Japan TRIES to buy off delegation. And of course, it's not really working.
"Either your smart and Japan is stupid or your stupid and Japan is smart. Don't you dare generalize people you agree with as "independent thinkers" while demonizing people who don't think like you. It makes you look like you're going full on retard. Whaling is highly respectable in Japanese society and is widely accepted. Not having your mindset doesn't make them any less independent."
You're not getting my point. My point is that independent thinkers of Japan should not rely on media or be spoonfed all the hypernationalistic stuff we tend to get on national television. People think European and American media are overbearing, but those issues are downright trifling compared to how excessively controlled Japanese media is.
As for whaling being accepted, actually the art of fishing in general is very accepted yes. It's just that the use of whaling as a commercial venture is iffy even with the Japanese, because again, the high mercury content of oceanic mammals has caused multiple outbreaks of mercury poisoning in Japan's past. So for the whalers to try to make an edible fish industry out of whaling is considered to be downright criminal. It's just that media does such a great job of withholding this information, that the issue is swept underneath until something shakes it up and puts it out to the public. Which is the kind of the things Western eco-activists tries to shoot for.
"Self defense against a a bunch of eco-terrorists does not put them to blame. Sea Shepard is a group full of violent fanatics who have no problem with bombing ships with sulfuric acid which and freezes up with contact with salt in the middle of the ocean putting the engines in danger of freezing up. I'm sure they wouldn't bat an eye if they did succeed only to leave them to die at sea."
While I do agree Sea Shepherd is the one engaging, the very reason the Japanese whalers are out at sea over-whaling beyond their 'research quota' is downright illegal according to IWC and other whaling commissions.. That and there's new research now that states you don't even have to kill whales to get biopsy samples out of them or to track their movements or diets. That is just daggers into the Japanese whaling movement. If they abide by a proper quota and abides by international commission, they won't be prey to eco-activism. The very way the Japanese whalers decide to work outside the law, it starts becoming fair game. They're not on a legally, morally accountable mission at sea and then it becomes fair game. I'm not even trying to side with anyone here. That's just how it goes.
1) Once we start allowing ecoterrorists to attack whaling ships, we also have to allow pro-lifers to burn down abortion clinics, creationists to kill biologists, and so on. There are lots of people who think, often wrongly, often rightly, that what someone else is doing is wrong. Heck, I don't like whaling either. But that doesn't give them the right to operate outside the law, which after all is supposed to represent the will of the people. If they think the law is wrong and whaling should be banned, they should go into politics, or broadcast documentaries about whales, or publish articles in newspapers, in other words, they should influence people to get the law changed. Anything else is just terrorism.
2) International law is an unfunny joke. It's just what the militarily and economically powerful try to push on the weak. Imagine for a moment a future where China has grown to the point where they can steer international law. Suppose one day some international law would imply that the United States should remove the Bill of Rights from the books? Would the fact that international law were to dictate it make it just? Of course not.
This conclusion is irrelevant in the context it pretends to oppose.
Oh and it's "you're" or "you are", not "your". They may be homonyms, but the meaning is completely different.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7149091.ece
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/14/2926496.htm
http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/oceans/whaling/japan_vote_buying
Here you go. Google next time.
False dilemma. Plus Japan is an umbrella term and cannot be attributed any intelligence.
Ad hominem
[citation needed]
Self defence (not defense) is only applied when the response justifies the danger you are in. It doesn't matter who the other party is.
Oh they would. A cold blood murder would net them at least a few years in jail.
Irrelavent conclusion. Even if Sea Shepard are at fault, that doesn't mean the Japanese whalers aren't.
It's "they are", not "their". First graders know better than that.
You really need to talk to your psychiatrist. Seriously.
Bethune is being weird here. I understand his situation but also Paul's and the Japanese stance on this. It was a complex situation and the Japanese crashed into the ship as an intimidation tactic and ultimately, the fault of actually hitting it were theirs, though Peter shouldn't have let it drift on sea like that to begin with. Secondly, you could tell they were having a decision on whether to scuttle the ship or not on the show and it seemed like Peter himself was the one suggesting to drop the ship off to sink.
He always did come across as an eccentric on his past ventures and also on the TV show.
I don't think he has any kind of rock hard case when what he said to Paul was right on camera for the world to see....
How wasting more petroleum than a whales weight/makes became noble I will never no.
After one thousand years of war, you can only see death!!
Noble makes you feeling of moral superiority. It doesn't mean you should actually do something good.
It boggles my mind how people gave this fat bastard money, a boat, and a reality television show.
Apparently America loves douche bags, that explains Jersey Shore.
BUH-ZING!
Ah Im on a roll xD
and japs among many other nations love plundering seas until there is nothing left .
oh wow, the japanese are the main culprits of depleting the ocean's resources all right. definitely not the European countries using their big ass boats to pull in at least a million of pounds of sea creatures and by-catch.
yes, the japanese need to stop plundering the seas!
lol kokuchan.
But yeah, when Sea Shepard isn't interfering with Japanese whaling, apparently they go STRAIGHT to Europe due to excessive overfishing problems there. And they always take down long-nets that catches fishlife overtly.
And they get apparently got speared by french fishermen.
Did you thought that only japanese eat fish? Italians, English almost every european country does. Don't you go out to eat?
Don't worry, we'll run out of drinking water before we run out of fish.
This is... sadly true.
LOl, yeah and they skies will fall upon us.
We will never ever get short on water supplies.
At least in Europe :p
If we ever succeed in slaying nature and planet itself. There would be nothing that could stop us. We are Godlike creatures (By Christianity). So there is certainly a moral imperative to destroy everything that slower us.
Cruel, but true...
100% unadulterated truth...
We'll be on Mars by then doing the same to the bacteria there as we do here, and possibly hauling in space-ice to drink once we figure out how to make it safe.
Be sure to re-watch the south park show whale whores. Its about these guys.
FAKKA YOO WHAIRU!!!
FAKKA YOO DORUPHIN!!!
He sunk my battleship :(
This really doesn't surprise me at all. Sounds like something that these eco-terrorists would have done eventually.
I saw that ship and once again thought: Batman was here ^_^
So apparently, all you guys love to eat whale meat. You should go kill more of them; you'll put Seaworld out of business.
Obvious troll is obvious
I bet you're working for Paul Watson rnt cha!
and you should stop eating in general, youl eat out the world
stick to your micky d
and dont go out your room, leave the sunlight alone. my plants need it.
Dude...
You are a retard. I wanna say more, but Im just speechless on how stupid ur comment is that "you are a retard" is all I can type out.
that is more than enough.
a battle between retard?
Last time I checked Seaworld had sharks too other than whales... And goldfish and angelfish and rockfish and lionfish and clownfish and milkfish and stingray and jellyfish..
Am I that outdated or is this guy a whale whore?
Some of these fishing ships bring in anything and everything that can be got with a hook or net.
You should join those lying shepards and do something about it than come troll, so we can troll on you on TV for the lulz.
I would be glad to try some whale meat. There's nothing wrong with trying something new.
From what I heard it tastes like shit because it's so fat and oily.
To be true...Tuna is more delicious and cheap easy to use in menus and no risk of having these bastards stalking you.