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Sea Shepherd “Sunk Its Own Ship”

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Eco-terrorist group Sea Shepherd is being accused by one of its own captains of having deliberately sunk its own vessel in an effort to frame the Japanese and make for better TV.

Peter Bethune, the Sea Shepherd captain who was arrested and detained in Japan for 5 months after he illegally boarded a Japanese whaling ship on the high seas, has apparently become disillusioned with the organisation, which he subsequently left.

He now alleges that the organisation’s “morally bankrupt” founder Paul Watson ordered him to sink the Ady Gil in order to “garner sympathy with the public and to create better TV.” Watson himself is a wanted fugitive.

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He claims the ship was not heavily damaged by the collision with the whalers – “It was definitely salvageable, it was still rock solid from the engine room back.” Western media widely portrayed the ship as having been “sunk” by the Japanese.

Bethune also criticises the scaremongering tactics so integral to the success of environmentalist groups: “I think an organisation that relies on public money and public generosity to survive has an obligation to be honest.”

Sea Shepherd for its part denies it ordered him to scuttle the vessel – although strangely the wording of the denial does not seem to deny that the ship was deliberately scuttled:

“No one ordered him to scuttle it. Pete Bethune was captain of the ‘Ady Gil’, all decisions on the ‘Ady Gil’ were his.”

Sea Shepherd claims it distanced itself from Bethune after the incident in order to ensure he received a light sentence. At the time of the incident it attempted to bring charges of piracy against Japan.

Bethune did at least receive a light sentence (although he was detained for 5 months) – a Tokyo court convicted him of obstructing commercial activities, trespass, vandalism and carrying a knife, imposing a 2 year suspended sentence.

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  • I like the fact that these guys do something rather than just protest, but is whaling something to protest against? I mean, blubber provides oil and the whale’s meat might actually taste good. Plus it’s not illegal to hunt whale anymore, is it?

  • These Sea ShepDerds are fucking retarted.
    They are terrorising other people work and stuff.

    And how blind they are not to see how much there is in their home land.
    It is more likely they can make more advance there than pullying stubborn japanese fishers.

    They should start from there.

    But these guys are just too fucking braindeads to understand it.

    • *facepalm* you are calling people braindead and yet you type like a five year old pre-schooler thats just learnt english. “They are terrorising other people work and stuff.”

      really? and stuff? lol. i am not even going to try and fix your spelling mistakes, reading it once was painful enough. Please try to learn some english before you attempt to be witty and smart.

      or in ur words i should type.
      ZOMG I AM LIKE TOTALLY PAYING YOU OUT BRA, LIKE DUH.

  • Seems obvious to me. From a maneuvarability standpoint, Ady Gil basically threw themselves under a speeding train. The Japanese ship physically could not have avoided them (or even deliberately hit them… they’re too small to see at that range!)

  • First off I’ve gotta say – in the words of Tatsuhiro Satō “conspiracy!”

    Claims of Ady Gil being “salvageable” – I think anyone with an understanding that ice-cream is not made in the oven, would recognise other-wise.

    Watching the footage of it actually happening, that is the collision between the Ady Gill and the Shonun Maru II; the reactions of the Ady Gil crew are anything but deliberate or planned, some of them were almost thrown overboard due to the impact.

    International Maritime Law states that the larger vessel must allow for the smaller vessel to pass (footage shows the Nissin Shonun II changing course toward the Ady Gil)

    Critics of the anti-whaling groups who argue that Japan is not at all to blame in the issue of overfishing/whaling – that is not the issue! we are talking about the humane treatment of an intelligent, self-aware mammal. (tuna is now illegally traded in Japan due to overfihing)

    There is absolutely no way to slaughter this creature without causing it great distress. (try impailing something with the power cable from your computer)

    What was the Shonun Maru doing there in the first place? The International Whaling Commission prohibits whaling in the Southern ocean, south of 40 degrees south (south of 60 degrees south between 50 degrees and 130 degrees west) not that Japan recognises this.

    Authority without Power.
    But Considering that Japan has literally bribed smaller, poorer African and Southeast Asian nations participating in the International Whaling Commission it comes as no surprise that any sanctions placed on Japan cannot be formally recognised let alone enforced.

    • Also forgot to add:
      The whales are being killed in the same way cattle is killed and is regarded as the most humane way possible, it is a spear to the head that sends an electric shock directly to the brain, kinda like what happens on a proper electric chair, or again, the way cattle is killed for human consumption.

      • Anonymous says:

        This one I had to reply to… my first time on this site. I’ve read a lot of crap here, so much stupidity, idiocy is rampant… but to have the nerve to phrase properly as if you actually have two neurons to rub together and make some sense yet, instead, espouse such criminal misinformation! I could not let that stand unanswered.

        As I think on this whilst I type my post… I realize that if anyone really needs me saying so to recognize what you’ve said as utterly absurd, incorrect and heartless toward the damned critters, then chances are they won’t get it either way. But just in case they do… well, you know, even idiots get to vote. That’s why we’re living the dream, nowadays.

        Uhm… so, yeah, here it goes: no, cattle is, in fact, NOT an endangered wild creature that is harpooned, reeled onto a metal platform for the slaughter as it frantically tries to escape despite the pain of resisting the pull of a harpoon’s spikes and then butchered whilst still alive.

        No, cattle suffer a different experience, indeed. When slaughtered according to regulations in just about anywhere in the West, a two-staged process is carried out, which, very simply, involves stunning the animal, firstly, and then killing it as quickly and cleanly as currently possible, secondly.
        Granted, this is not observed everywhere nor always, but it is the law in the better places of the world to look up to. It’s regrettable when it’s criminal conduct and still something to correct. But when it’s systemic and not even considered wrong to begin with… you go look up their dolphin hunting and slaughter, while you’re at it, it’s actually worse than the whales, difference being dolphins aren’t endangered (yet).

    • Actually Maritime Law does NOT give right of pass to the small vessel.
      What it states correctly is that a small vessel has much more maneuverability and less inertia and thus it is the one that has to get out of the way from the bigger vessel.
      If you don’t know what is inertia don’t bother writing anything at all.

  • Saw a commercial for that show on tv a while ago, made me want to puke. American TV: promoting a group that does illegal activities and massively stupid acts! I swear on the rare occasions that I do watch television it pushes me away and makes me not want to watch. Luckily there is the internet :3

  • The jap government is full of shit when it come to whaling….. research my backside they are a bunch of lies and have lost allot of respect on the international scene in regards to ILLEGAL Whaling.

    • 1) True, it’s bullshit.
      2) It’s not illegal; it’s not international law. If Japan says “we won’t comply to this moratorium” that is all it is. There is no real law stopping them.
      3) They mostly hunt minke whales, which are less endangered than many fish we buy at supermarkets. That is, not at all. In recent years they’ve started taking more endangered species as they’ve driven out of different waters and groups like the SS interfere with their regular hunts.
      4) Whale meat? Really? Ugh… don’t you guys know a lot of that stuff is loaded with mercury?

  • Of COURSE we’ll take the word, any tiny allegation of the Jappy-neese big corporations who wants to fish the ocean to collapse just so they can keep selling Whale Anus sushi!

    “But it only for Lesealch! Schientriflik Leasealsch! It still not vely concrusive rhat Whale Anus Sushi is vely vely vely good! We onry Sertan it vely vely good!”

  • After all the controversy, I watched a mini-marathon of “Whale Wars”. It could have been released as a comedy and called “Tards At Sea”. When they weren’t acting stupid, they were spouting self-righteous nonsense. Anyone who could see them in action, and still wanted to give them money, deserves the Sucker of the Year Award.

  • slavaging a ship is a little more complex than just driving it back to a harbor. if they would have had to tow it during a storm it could have cost them there lives.
    its possible it was ditched because it would have been dangerous to attempt to bring it back.

  • Oh yes nobel cause, one of your own got “sunk” by the japanese and then scapegoat out of it (buh-zing!)

    I stand by with what something I said once
    all of this is an attempt at a good cause gone horribly wrong.

    • Shippoyasha says:

      Bethune is being weird here. I understand his situation but also Paul’s and the Japanese stance on this. It was a complex situation and the Japanese crashed into the ship as an intimidation tactic and ultimately, the fault of actually hitting it were theirs, though Peter shouldn’t have let it drift on sea like that to begin with. Secondly, you could tell they were having a decision on whether to scuttle the ship or not on the show and it seemed like Peter himself was the one suggesting to drop the ship off to sink.

      He always did come across as an eccentric on his past ventures and also on the TV show.

      I don’t think he has any kind of rock hard case when what he said to Paul was right on camera for the world to see….

    • Good cause? Meddling with a research/commercial vessel that was catching Minki whales?

      Minki whale populations are quite large, and they are far from going extinct. Unless you’re suggesting that no one should catch any fish ever. Or eat animals for food. OH GOD IT’S A VEGAN, KILL IT WITH FIRE!

      • Shippoyasha says:

        Actually, there’s logical reasons not to. For one, the Japanese vessels have hunted many other whale types to near extinction before and they really can’t be trusted. Secondly, by international law, commercial whaling is not allowed.

        Thirdly, and probably the most important reason of all to the Japanese citizenry, whale meat is second rate. They’re trying to pass off second rate whale meat as high quality fish and it is outright food forgery. What worse, most large mammals like whales on the oceans have high concentration of mercury.

        Many Japanese side with the whalers for the nationalistic interests (“we don’t want foreigners meddling!”), but on an objective view, the whaling efforts are not helping the Japanese much.

        Other ventures like overhunting tuna is a problem too, though that comes off across as harder to control when most fisheries in the world are overhunting fish all the time.

        • [quote]That’s what your supposed to do. Its why it was created. to settle whaling disputes between countries and organizations. [/quote]
          This conclusion is irrelevant in the context it pretends to oppose.
          Oh and it’s “you’re” or “you are”, not “your”. They may be homonyms, but the meaning is completely different.

          [quote]Source please.[/quote]
          http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7149091.ece
          http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/14/2926496.htm
          http://www.greenpeace.org/international/campaigns/oceans/whaling/japan_vote_buying
          Here you go. Google next time.

          [quote]Either your smart and Japan is stupid or your stupid and Japan is smart.[/quote]
          False dilemma. Plus Japan is an umbrella term and cannot be attributed any intelligence.

          [quote]Don’t you dare generalize people you agree with as “independent thinkers” while demonizing people who don’t think like you. It makes you look like you’re going full on retard.[/quote]
          Ad hominem

          [quote]Whaling is highly respectable in Japanese society and is widely accepted.[/quote]
          [citation needed]

          [quote]Self defense against a a bunch of eco-terrorists does not put them to blame. Sea Shepard is a group full of violent fanatics who have no problem with bombing ships with sulfuric acid which and freezes up with contact with salt in the middle of the ocean putting the engines in danger of freezing up.[/quote]
          Self defence (not defense) is only applied when the response justifies the danger you are in. It doesn’t matter who the other party is.

          [quote]I’m sure they wouldn’t bat an eye if they did succeed only to leave them to die at sea.[/quote]
          Oh they would. A cold blood murder would net them at least a few years in jail.

          [quote]Self defense against a a bunch of eco-terrorists does not put them to blame. Sea Shepard is a group full of violent fanatics who have no problem with bombing ships with sulfuric acid which and freezes up with contact with salt in the middle of the ocean putting the engines in danger of freezing up. I’m sure they wouldn’t bat an eye if they did succeed only to leave them to die at sea.[/quote]

          [quote]Yes these were all made to defend themselves from the crazy that harasses them daily. Its far from wrong. Its the right and proper thing to do to ensure that they come home safely.[/quote]
          Irrelavent conclusion. Even if Sea Shepard are at fault, that doesn’t mean the Japanese whalers aren’t.

          [quote]No it makes perfect sense. Their sick of being harassed by eco-crazies. Their sick of being up into danger by them. Everything they have done has been defensive.[/quote]
          It’s “they are”, not “their”. First graders know better than that.

          [quote]If by good one of those whaling ships decided to mount a 12MM cannon on the front and give the eco-crazies the fight their hoping for then I will be cheering them on.[/quote]
          You really need to talk to your psychiatrist. Seriously.

        • 1) Once we start allowing ecoterrorists to attack whaling ships, we also have to allow pro-lifers to burn down abortion clinics, creationists to kill biologists, and so on. There are lots of people who think, often wrongly, often rightly, that what someone else is doing is wrong. Heck, I don’t like whaling either. But that doesn’t give them the right to operate outside the law, which after all is supposed to represent the will of the people. If they think the law is wrong and whaling should be banned, they should go into politics, or broadcast documentaries about whales, or publish articles in newspapers, in other words, they should influence people to get the law changed. Anything else is just terrorism.
          2) International law is an unfunny joke. It’s just what the militarily and economically powerful try to push on the weak. Imagine for a moment a future where China has grown to the point where they can steer international law. Suppose one day some international law would imply that the United States should remove the Bill of Rights from the books? Would the fact that international law were to dictate it make it just? Of course not.

        • Shippoyasha says:

          “Source please. I’m from a whaling country (Greenland) and know very well drama that comes with the IWC. Japan rarely gets what they want out if it and are considered spoiled, tranny crybabies from other countries that rely on whaling. There’s a saying from Greenland about japs and azns in general. “There’s no men in Japan””

          You’re right, it’s just that Japan TRIES to buy off delegation. And of course, it’s not really working.

          “Either your smart and Japan is stupid or your stupid and Japan is smart. Don’t you dare generalize people you agree with as “independent thinkers” while demonizing people who don’t think like you. It makes you look like you’re going full on retard. Whaling is highly respectable in Japanese society and is widely accepted. Not having your mindset doesn’t make them any less independent.”

          You’re not getting my point. My point is that independent thinkers of Japan should not rely on media or be spoonfed all the hypernationalistic stuff we tend to get on national television. People think European and American media are overbearing, but those issues are downright trifling compared to how excessively controlled Japanese media is.

          As for whaling being accepted, actually the art of fishing in general is very accepted yes. It’s just that the use of whaling as a commercial venture is iffy even with the Japanese, because again, the high mercury content of oceanic mammals has caused multiple outbreaks of mercury poisoning in Japan’s past. So for the whalers to try to make an edible fish industry out of whaling is considered to be downright criminal. It’s just that media does such a great job of withholding this information, that the issue is swept underneath until something shakes it up and puts it out to the public. Which is the kind of the things Western eco-activists tries to shoot for.

          “Self defense against a a bunch of eco-terrorists does not put them to blame. Sea Shepard is a group full of violent fanatics who have no problem with bombing ships with sulfuric acid which and freezes up with contact with salt in the middle of the ocean putting the engines in danger of freezing up. I’m sure they wouldn’t bat an eye if they did succeed only to leave them to die at sea.”

          While I do agree Sea Shepherd is the one engaging, the very reason the Japanese whalers are out at sea over-whaling beyond their ‘research quota’ is downright illegal according to IWC and other whaling commissions.. That and there’s new research now that states you don’t even have to kill whales to get biopsy samples out of them or to track their movements or diets. That is just daggers into the Japanese whaling movement. If they abide by a proper quota and abides by international commission, they won’t be prey to eco-activism. The very way the Japanese whalers decide to work outside the law, it starts becoming fair game. They’re not on a legally, morally accountable mission at sea and then it becomes fair game. I’m not even trying to side with anyone here. That’s just how it goes.

        • “And yet when their activities gets interfered, they go to the ‘official’ sources like the IWC (International Whaling Commission)”

          That’s what your supposed to do. Its why it was created. to settle whaling disputes between countries and organizations.

          “which is basically paid off by Japanese dirty-money (aka, outright bribes and whoring out of delegate nations).”

          Source please. I’m from a whaling country (Greenland) and know very well drama that comes with the IWC. Japan rarely gets what they want out if it and are considered spoiled, tranny crybabies from other countries that rely on whaling. There’s a saying from Greenland about japs and azns in general. “There’s no men in Japan”

          “I think the truly smart and independently thinking Japanese would know otherwise”

          Either your smart and Japan is stupid or your stupid and Japan is smart. Don’t you dare generalize people you agree with as “independent thinkers” while demonizing people who don’t think like you. It makes you look like you’re going full on retard. Whaling is highly respectable in Japanese society and is widely accepted. Not having your mindset doesn’t make them any less independent.

          “both sides are plenty to blame for physical encounters”

          Self defense against a a bunch of eco-terrorists does not put them to blame. Sea Shepard is a group full of violent fanatics who have no problem with bombing ships with sulfuric acid which and freezes up with contact with salt in the middle of the ocean putting the engines in danger of freezing up. I’m sure they wouldn’t bat an eye if they did succeed only to leave them to die at sea.

          “From many footages, it’s apparent that the Japanese fleet is much faster, has better radar and has more physical weapons to fight with”

          Yes these were all made to defend themselves from the crazy that harasses them daily. Its far from wrong. Its the right and proper thing to do to ensure that they come home safely.

          “So for them to play victim is a bit strange”

          No it makes perfect sense. Their sick of being harassed by eco-crazies. Their sick of being up into danger by them. Everything they have done has been defensive. If by good one of those whaling ships decided to mount a 12MM cannon on the front and give the eco-crazies the fight their hoping for then I will be cheering them on.

        • Shippoyasha says:

          Good points. Though that kind of willfulness kind of lets eco-activists just run amok at will since the Japanese are standing on the same ambiguous moral border while doing so. And yet when their activities gets interfered, they go to the ‘official’ sources like the IWC (International Whaling Commission) which is basically paid off by Japanese dirty-money (aka, outright bribes and whoring out of delegate nations).

          This is really not a secret to the Japanese public either, even though the media may do the damndest to paint all Japanese activity as righteous and in the morally correct. I think the truly smart and independently thinking Japanese would know otherwise. Of course, Sea Shepard and its activities runs the gamut of dangerous to downright near pirate like, though at this point, both sides are plenty to blame for physical encounters. From many footages, it’s apparent that the Japanese fleet is much faster, has better radar and has more physical weapons to fight with. So for them to play victim is a bit strange..

        • International Law applies only to the nations that ratify it. If japan doesn’t ratify an international law in its own national legislature then they do not have to obey it as they are not bound by it.

          They did not pass the law that bans whaling through their parliament so the Japanese authority do not have to enforce it and the Japanese do not have to follow it.

          Greenland is a semi-sovereign country that continually refuses international law. Whaling bans, even the Geneva conventions. It can kill all the whales and torture people to its hearts content and no one will have the authority to stop them (except Denmark, the people who own Greenland but even that connection is minuscule to say the least)

    • i think that’s how most reasonable people (or maybe just informed people) view Sea Shepard.

      their cause in general is perfectly fine.
      the problem is Sea Shepard, the specific organization, are a bunch of terrorists.
      all terrorists have a cause, that doesn’t justify anything.
      they are to animal protection what ELF is to environmental protection.

      and all the groups that are really doing anything productive don’t support these groups cause they know groups like Sea Shepard make life more difficult.